Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster > Christianity

[FleshNBones]

LoL. Substantiate this.

Well, it is what we call a fact. This differs from conjecture, and pure opinion in the sense that it is understood, and not up for debate. You can argue its validitiy in the argument, but you cannot say it is false.

 

I will call it a "well known fact". Because it is so "well known", I will not waste my time providing you with trusted sources. I believe this information is covered in grade school social studies coursework.

[Enema]

Ahhh, so you can't back it up.

 

Gotcha.

[Trojan John]

I believe the insinuation is that christianity does not own the rights to the idea of tolerance, especially in light of its centuries-long history of intolerance.

[FleshNBones]

I believe the insinuation is that christianity does not own the rights to the idea of tolerance, especially in light of its centuries-long history of intolerance.

Excellent. You are not denying that it is a Christian idea.

Case Closed. Let's move on.

[angryyoungman70]

Excellent. You are not denying that it is a Christian idea.

Case Closed. Let's move on.

 

As a practical matter, governments have always had to consider the question of which groups and practices to tolerate and which to persecute. The earliest known example of ethnic and religious tolerance is found in the Cyrus cylinder, which was declared by Cyrus the Great after he founded the Persian Empire. Similarly, the Edicts of Ashoka issued by Ashoka the Great in the Maurya Empire also declared ethnic and religious tolerance. These rulers' empires date back to c. 590 BC or 576 — August 529 BC or 530 BC and 273 BC to 232 BC respectively.

 

How is that that you can claim tolerance as a Christian idea?

[Lovelybird]

Sorry troll, didn't realize you'd renounced the bible.

 

How can tolerance be a Christian idea when the entirety of the Christian doctrine is based on intolerance toward anything non-Christian? Please enlighten us, troll.

Bible says "love your enemies, forgive those who offend you"

[I Luv the Chariot OH]

Tolerance is embodied by Buddhism's "You believe what you what you want and I'll believe what I want--no belief is intrinsically more valuable or correct than any other."

 

Intolerance is embodied by Christianity's "Every belief in the world is wrong except Christianity and if you don't subscribe to it you're a heathen and you're going to hell." Any Christian who uses this thought process is dangerous and, as far as I'm concerned, the world can do without these sorts of people.

[Lovelybird]

Tolerance is embodied by Buddhism's "You believe what you what you want and I'll believe what I want--no belief is intrinsically more valuable or correct than any other."

 

Intolerance is embodied by Christianity's "Every belief in the world is wrong except Christianity and if you don't subscribe to it you're a heathen and you're going to hell." Any Christian who uses this thought process is dangerous and, as far as I'm concerned, the world can do without these sorts of people.

if you don't believe there is hell, then this thought should not be any danger to you at all, because

 

we Christians believe God is the Judge, we are NOT, so if someone did harm to us, we still believe we are not the ones who pay back, God is justice, He will do justice

 

And conbine with Lord's teaching "love your enemies, pray for them, forgive those who offend you", then tolerance is indeed an important teaching of Christianity

 

If someone are non-believers, we shouldn't condemn them to go to hell, we should pray for them to get saved, we even pray for them to be blessed, and this is what Lord requires us to do

[Enema]

Exodus 22:20 - Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.

 

So tolerant.

[Trojan John]

Food for thought.

[Moose]

Exodus 22:20 - Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.

 

So tolerant.

Cryin' out loud....here we go again taking Scripture OUT OF CONTEXT!!!

 

You may not respect our views, but you should at least treat us like any other person on the planet with equal respect.

 

In other words, take the time to read the entire book and study the numerous aspects surrounding it before you take bits and pieces and attempt to use them for your cause.....it really makes you look foolish.

[I Luv the Chariot OH]

Cryin' out loud....here we go again taking Scripture OUT OF CONTEXT!!!

 

You may not respect our views, but you should at least treat us like any other person on the planet with equal respect.

Let's see, context:

 

19: "Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death."

20: --

21: "Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt."

 

Considering Exodus 22 is just a chapter of OT laws/responsibilities, I think it's pretty straight forward, right in context, and means exactly what it says. Kill the non-Christians!!!

 

And Moose, I have read the bible...several times. And studied it in church/university from both a religious and literary standpoint. You know what assuming does

[Moose]

Let's see, context:

 

19: "Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death."

20: --

21: "Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt."

 

Considering Exodus 22 is just a chapter of OT laws/responsibilities, I think it's pretty straight forward, right in context, and means exactly what it says. Kill the non-Christians!!!

 

And Moose, I have read the bible...several times. And studied it in church/university from both a religious and literary standpoint. You know what assuming does

The WHOLE premise of Exodus is creating a Holy People, or race, or His chosen people in that time, and in that place.

 

I think of it as being elected into office. You're required to hold a higher standard of living than that of a common citizen.

 

It has no relevance to us in this day and age. That's the whole point, and if you studied the Bible as intensively as you say, you would KNOW this!

[tstew11]

Food for thought.

 

 

Haha the only thing that I noticed about that video is that the guy who posted it also posted a video with the title "The HIV Virus AIDS Lie - THERE IS NO HIV VIRUS." Sounds rather credible to me to be honest. And Chariot... I think that if you studied the Bible as much as you claimed you would have a better understanding of it. I don't believe that simply "reading it several times" qualifies as "studying." I agree with Mouse that that's relatively common knowledge as far as the study of the Bible goes. I'm praying for you.

[Moose]

Um, that's "Moose" by the way.....

[Quinch]

When are the FSM's holy days? It would be a great excuse to get a day off work.

[Moose]

When are the FSM's holy days? It would be a great excuse to get a day off work.

FSM's Holy Days? Sorry, I don't understand....

[tstew11]

Um, that's "Moose" by the way.....

 

 

My bad Moose... typo

[tstew11]

FSM's Holy Days? Sorry, I don't understand....

 

 

I believe FSM stands for Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[Moose]

I believe FSM stands for Flying Spaghetti Monster?

<<<<<Slaps his forehead>>>>>

 

Thanks!

[angryyoungman70]

Haha the only thing that I noticed about that video is that the guy who posted it also posted a video with the title "The HIV Virus AIDS Lie - THERE IS NO HIV VIRUS." Sounds rather credible to me to be honest. And Chariot... I think that if you studied the Bible as much as you claimed you would have a better understanding of it. I don't believe that simply "reading it several times" qualifies as "studying." I agree with Mouse that that's relatively common knowledge as far as the study of the Bible goes. I'm praying for you.

 

 

Well, if you researched any of what this video is proporting, you will find ample evidence of fact supporting it. But, you won't believe any of it anyway....fear is a very powerful way of controlling somone.

 

In case you're wondering, I belonged to a bible study group in my youth, was the Sunday school teacher in my church, sang in a church choir, and at one time was seeking my Bacholor of Theology. So flame me if it makes you feel better, more superior, and much more enlightened than me. I won't hold it against you.

[Moose]

Well, angryyoungman70......let me ask you, are you saved?

 

Have you confessed Christ as your Saviour? Do you believe He came to die on the cross for our sins and rose from the grave?

[tstew11]

As a practical matter, governments have always had to consider the question of which groups and practices to tolerate and which to persecute. The earliest known example of ethnic and religious tolerance is found in the Cyrus cylinder, which was declared by Cyrus the Great after he founded the Persian Empire. Similarly, the Edicts of Ashoka issued by Ashoka the Great in the Maurya Empire also declared ethnic and religious tolerance. These rulers' empires date back to c. 590 BC or 576 — August 529 BC or 530 BC and 273 BC to 232 BC respectively.

 

How is that that you can claim tolerance as a Christian idea?

 

Hehe you sound like the character played by Scott William Winters in Good Will Hunting. If you haven't seen it I would strongly suggest it. By the way... the character is a Harvard student who attempts to sound intelligent by using several quotes. Actually I'll find the scene for you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymsHLkB8u3s.

 

To the point of me "flaming" you... I don't believe that I was flaming you at all. Actually I think that the only people that could remotely have felt "flamed" by me are Chariot and Trojan John. Actually maybe the guy who uploaded that video originally posted by Trojan John. If you are any of those 3 people I am sorry if you feel that way. And I do agree that the fear of God is a rather powerful tool of controlling my life. Actually my goal is to have it completely controlled by Him. I in no way shape or form feel more superior nor enlightened than you. You may even have more knowledge of the Bible than I. I just pray that your eyes can be opened to what mine have been opened to.

[Lovelybird]

fear is a very powerful way of controlling somone.

Talk about fear for God

 

Reverence fear for God is beginning of wisdom. when you have reverence fear for God, you will try your best to control yourself, or self-control is beginning of wisdom. Fear for God prevents many people from doing stupid things

 

We see lots of people do whatever they want, and end up a self-destructive life style. What does God require of us, is for us good. Many people think God's commendments are harm to them, because they cannot do whatever they want, this thinking itsself is very harmful

 

Of course, only fear can not have an intimate relationship with God, we have lots of love of God to balance that.

[Trojan John]

Haha the only thing that I noticed about that video is that the guy who posted it also posted a video with the title "The HIV Virus AIDS Lie - THERE IS NO HIV VIRUS." Sounds rather credible to me to be honest. And Chariot... I think that if you studied the Bible as much as you claimed you would have a better understanding of it. I don't believe that simply "reading it several times" qualifies as "studying." I agree with Mouse that that's relatively common knowledge as far as the study of the Bible goes. I'm praying for you.

 

Had you actually listened to what the guy was saying and done some research of your own instead of immediately looking for some unrelated video to discredit him, you probably would have something more intelligent to say. The fact that your primary motivation to believe in the Christian god is fear speaks volumes. Belief in something, for me, is not simply a matter of emotional sensation, but also of intellectual understanding. Do some research on your own religion rather than simply taking everything you're told as absolute fact.