Jake Barnes Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I do try to adjust and I have at times thought I was being too hard on women but I can't deny what is right in front me. I only have to look at your average relationship board to see that much of what I say is true. Just take a look at this board.Yes I agree that what you say is true, but men make it true If men werent always going out to pick up women and making it so easy for them to get laid and if our society didnt keep making them think they have little value if they arent sex objects women would behave much differently. We have a created a monster, but its been our own doing and I think if men think about it hard enough theyd have to conclude its true Link to post Share on other sites
annieo Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I do try to adjust and I have at times thought I was being too hard on women but I can't deny what is right in front me. I only have to look at your average relationship board to see that much of what I say is true. Just take a look at this board. I'm sorry, but have you ever read about what the men get up to? Selective reading/attention on your part, fueling your preconceptions. I think it's fair to say that both genders can be really selfish, destructive beasts. Why pick on women? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 I'm sorry, but have you ever read about what the men get up to? Selective reading/attention on your part, fueling your preconceptions. I think it's fair to say that both genders can be really selfish, destructive beasts. Why pick on women? This is true but since I have no experience in dating men I can't speak on it. Plus there is so much male bashing on this board and other boards that I feel I have to balance things out. I have to stand up for my gender since so many seem unwilling to stand up for themselves. Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Okay, so the stories about females being bad are all true, but the stories about males being bad are just bashing? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 Okay, so the stories about females being bad are all true, but the stories about males being bad are just bashing? Maybe the stories about men are true but from what I see when women go through drama it tends to be very preventable. Common sense should tell a woman that a married man being his wife will eventually betray her and that a player will eventually play her. Some women truly are victims but many willingly jump into the same situation over and over again and seem allergic to healthy relationships. Men get blindsided because the woman they love is not the woman he thought she was. Women tend to be much better liars than men are. Link to post Share on other sites
Order & Chaos Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Maybe the stories about men are true but from what I see when women go through drama it tends to be very preventable. Common sense should tell a woman that a married man being his wife will eventually betray her and that a player will eventually play her. Some women truly are victims but many willingly jump into the same situation over and over again and seem allergic to healthy relationships. Men get blindsided because the woman they love is not the woman he thought she was. Women tend to be much better liars than men are. Buddy it goes both ways. Stop being a victim, own up to your responsibilities and stop crying about what big meanies women are. Sheesh. Please repeat, you are not a victim. You control your life. You do have the power. Poor lil Woggle. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 Buddy it goes both ways. Stop being a victim, own up to your responsibilities and stop crying about what big meanies women are. Sheesh. Please repeat, you are not a victim. You control your life. You do have the power. Poor lil Woggle. I never claimed to be a victim. My life is very well and under control but I offer men advice on this board which I think will help them out. People like to point the finger at me but my life is pretty well and has been since I had this attitude. Link to post Share on other sites
twice_shy Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Yes and she is a major reason why I feel this way. What has your mother done to contribute to your animosity towards most women? She cheat on your father? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 What has your mother done to contribute to your animosity towards most women? She cheat on your father? Much much worse but I have told that story many times on this board. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 You have also started threads like this many times on this board, so whats your point? tell the story already. Link to post Share on other sites
twice_shy Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Much much worse but I have told that story many times on this board. Well I'm curious. Can you provide the link to that story or briefly summarize here? Link to post Share on other sites
Curmudgeon Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 You have also started threads like this many times on this board, so whats your point? tell the story already. That's why I think it's all about getting attention. Same old, same old. no growth. no change. Still a troglodyte. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 That's why I think it's all about getting attention. Same old, same old. no growth. no change. Still a troglodyte. I have to agree. I will often read Woggle's threads, but I don't like responding to them anymore. Mostly I see that he has started a thread and think, "oh not this all over again." It's been the same mantra for years and years now. I thought he was getting counseling. Personally I would find a new therapist if this is the case. But IME most people like the comfort of the familiar, and are terrified of the unknown - even if the familiar is horribly dysfunctional... Link to post Share on other sites
Curmudgeon Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 But IME most people like the comfort of the familiar, and are terrified of the unknown - even if the familiar is horribly dysfunctional... Ah! Wisdom! What a breath of fresh air after reading yet another of Woggles mulings. I think you're right, BO. That's why people stay in horrible relationships. I know. I was one of them for far too long -- fear of the unknown coupled with just a touch of, "this too shall pass." You're wise beyond your years, my dear. Pregnancy becomes you! Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 The poor woman. Worked hard for 9 months and had a son like you. You're a nasty piece of work, and fortunately, you're in the grand minority, which is getting smaller all the time.Your attitudes and comments are both destructive and confrontational. Whilst I know LS welcomes discussions and debates on all manner of topics, I'm of the opinion that your kind of membership is far from desirable. I think it might be a good idea if you went away and founded a forum specifically for hardened misogynysts, because I don't think this is the kind of forum that will tolerate you for too long. Mind you, that might have a membership but not a huge one. And what would you find to debatre about? I think you thrive on hatred. Shame. It must feel awful to have such resentment and anger in your heart, and not be open to change of attitude..... GW Maybe you ought to go into the archives and read up on Wog's past and his childhood, how his mom treated him before you type out this sort of stuff. Sorry but it's not cool to openly bash and say very cruel and hurtful things to someone. He isn't bashing anyone here, he is openly discussing his own beliefs, he has his reasons - Wog is honest and speaks from the heart from what he has experienced in his own life. He constantly has said he feels lucky to have met a wonderful woman and married her. And he is seeking counselling to help him cope with his past, his mom and his ex-wife. Why is it OK for a woman to say things about men due to their own bad personal experiences, whether it be because of abuse, or rape, but when a man goes through something similar, full of mistrust, he gets bashed for it? Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 I think he starts threads like these ones to keep him on the straight and narrow. He comes here and vents, so he doesn't take this stuff home with him, so it's not in his head while he's with his wife, enjoying life. I could be wrong, but something tells me I'm not. Link to post Share on other sites
twice_shy Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 I think he starts threads like these ones to keep him on the straight and narrow. He comes here and vents, so he doesn't take this stuff home with him, so it's not in his head while he's with his wife, enjoying life. I could be wrong, but something tells me I'm not. I know he gets alot of flack for what he posts, but when you have been treated like crap, of course he is going to vent. He may have a good woman at home, but that is hard for him to see. He may be thinking its too good to be true. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 I know he gets alot of flack for what he posts, but when you have been treated like crap, of course he is going to vent. He may have a good woman at home, but that is hard for him to see. He may be thinking its too good to be true. This is very true, and I actually have respect for Woggle as a person, in general, although I despise these threads he starts sometimes. However. It's frustrating that he doesn't see the double standard here. He is certainly free to rant and vent. But then he comes here and talks about the crappy stuff some women say about men online, and doesn't see it in the same light. Frankly, that's plain old annoying. Link to post Share on other sites
angie2443 Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Much much worse but I have told that story many times on this board. Look, my dad was a cerial cheater. He was physically and mentally abusive to me and my siblings. I'm not going into detail because that would take way to long. In order to move away from the damage that he did, I had to morn his death, so to speak. I had to completely let go of the fantasy that he cared or was decent and nurturing. This process took weeks. It was as if he really died, because all the hope and false ideas I had about him did die. After I let go, I was free: Free of the hate and anger that I held for so long. I'm not saying I'm perfect. I have still have my days when I loose or get angry because something reminds me of what I went through. However, I am no longer scared or distrustful of men. I no longer think that they are all perverts and mysoginist (sp?). I'm not saying that you should do the same as me. Maybe you already have, but you seem to have all this hate towards women and if it's because of your mom, then maybe it is time to let her go. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 I really don't hate women but I am not blind to how gender relations work these days. I see the stuff that many women pull and how are culture promotes that crap. I am just smart enough to take the proper measures not to end up like one of these men you see in the divorce forum. If a woman treats me with respect I will return that respect. In my life I actually treat women well. I have never abused a woman or even cheated on a woman but I am very cautious with them until I get to know them and I do not hesitate to cut a woman out of my life when she shows herself to not be worth the effort. If a woman treats me with me respect and is honest with me we should get along just fine. Link to post Share on other sites
Order & Chaos Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I really don't hate women but I am not blind to how gender relations work these days. I see the stuff that many women pull and how are culture promotes that crap. I am just smart enough to take the proper measures not to end up like one of these men you see in the divorce forum. If a woman treats me with respect I will return that respect. In my life I actually treat women well. I have never abused a woman or even cheated on a woman but I am very cautious with them until I get to know them and I do not hesitate to cut a woman out of my life when she shows herself to not be worth the effort. If a woman treats me with me respect and is honest with me we should get along just fine. This is what you should be doing with both genders. It has nothing to do with women but with how anyone treats you and the awareness of the toxic relationship that can form with both sexes. There are parts of our culture that is biased to both sexes, women don't own that exclusive rights to it. And for goodness sake keep with counseling! Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 Toxic relationships can happen for eother gender but there is a walkaway wife epidemic as evidenced by this board and men need to know hot to avoid or if it is unavoidable be able to survive it in one piece. Link to post Share on other sites
angie2443 Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Toxic relationships can happen for eother gender but there is a walkaway wife epidemic as evidenced by this board and men need to know hot to avoid or if it is unavoidable be able to survive it in one piece. When did you start viewing women in this way? Why are you so afraid? I guess you're in therapy because others here say you are. Is it helping you to understand yourself? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 When did you start viewing women in this way? Why are you so afraid? I guess you're in therapy because others here say you are. Is it helping you to understand yourself? I started this way after my first marriage broke up and when I look around I feel I am 100% right.I never said that all women were this way but one look at this board should show there is at least some truth to my views. How can anybody without blinders on deny that? Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Barnes Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I started this way after my first marriage broke up and when I look around I feel I am 100% right.I never said that all women were this way but one look at this board should show there is at least some truth to my views. How can anybody without blinders on deny that?Do you think that most men in our society have been blinded by a sentimental view of women as the sensitive gender and do you think they have made themselves vunerable and weak through delsuional thinking? Also, do you think it's helpful for a man to operate under an assumption of distrust until the woman proves you otherwise? Link to post Share on other sites
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