mind and body separated

[Explorer]

If you can perceive yourself from a thrid person perspective, aren't you essentially separating mind and body?

 

In other words, if you can step away from yourself and judge who you are from an objective standpoint (Third person), you're separating mind and body. Soul is obviously a whole different discussion.

 

++Example++

 

The following statement: "(Your name)'s genetic makeup and mind makes him/her angry when someone calls him/her shy."

 

If you can understand this statement, with respect to yourself (Of course but not necessarily the shy characteristic), then you can perceive yourself from a third person perspective. In doing so, you're separating mind and body. Mind being the objective judger and body being the one whom is angry.

 

Thoughts? Comments?

[saraispiel19]

Basically what your saying is viewing yourself in the third person? correct?

 

I believe people do that when there's a problem they need to solve. Well some people that I know. I certainly think to myself in that way at times.

Like so:

 

"If I was my friend and I came up to me and said _________ how would I help her with her problem.."

 

I hope I'm on the right track.

[Explorer]

Yes, 3rd person essentially. But, go deeper and really view yourself in this light.

 

Now, since we've been given the abilty to do this, we are in essence separating ourselves from mind and body. Right?

 

As I take an analytical approach to understanding life, I try to uncover life's purpose by looking at the tools/abilities a creator gave us. This abillity above is one of the many.

[saraispiel19]

Yes, 3rd person essentially. But, go deeper and really view yourself in this light..

 

 

Yup I understand I just couldn't think of any other example at the time.

 

Have you ever made any specific life changes due to this type of thinking? I sure have.

[electric_sheep]

If you can understand this statement, with respect to yourself (Of course but not necessarily the shy characteristic), then you can perceive yourself from a third person perspective. In doing so, you're separating mind and body.

 

That's not really what I think of when I think of separating mind and body, but I guess it's really all a matter of definition. In your example, you're using your mind to perform a mental "separation". That is, the separation is a mental one. This is just thinking about yourself objectively.

 

I think of mind/body separation as being more like the astral projection and such that some people claim to do.

[confused2007]

That's not really what I think of when I think of separating mind and body, but I guess it's really all a matter of definition. In your example, you're using your mind to perform a mental "separation". That is, the separation is a mental one. This is just thinking about yourself objectively.

 

I think of mind/body separation as being more like the astral projection and such that some people claim to do.

 

Hmmm....I'm having trouble communicating in words exactly what I mean. Let me try again. Your mind controls your body. The 'Control panel', or 'Engine,' if you will. Now while it can control your body, it also has the ability to separate from it and view it from an objective standpoint in order to understand how/what to fix.

 

What is my point?...Lately in my spare time, I've been analyzing life by taking what our creator (Hold off on the debate) has given us in order to understand our purpose.

 

Meaning:

1. Creator wanted humans to reproduce

2. Creator wanted humans to consume available resources to survive

3. Creator wanted humans to survive a limited amount of time

and so on.............

[Explorer]

Just realized I used my other screenname (Confused2007) to continue my thread. Sorry for any confusion. I created this screenname a while back when I couldn't login with my other...but anyway...Explorer and Confused2007 are me.

 

Anyone have any thoughts, suggestions or comments to taking an analytical approach to understanding life as I (Confused2007) mentioned in the post above?

[Lovelybird]

Do you mean through creator's eyes to understand self and life?

 

sometimes I caught up in my own understandings to circumstances around me (think of myself as the centre), then bitter, not understand, irriated, blame others; but when creator's perspective enters my heart, peace will follow.

 

The key point to divide if my own perspective or creator's perspective is PEACE, and I tried to learn His minds through his words. the more I understand His words, the more I think I can have good grasp for life for self. If I know myself well, then I can understand others as well.

 

understanding for self comes not from myself, it is like a person (I know it's God) stand there, and see clearly about my heart, and communicate it to me (sometimes we are very blind to our own weaknesses), according to his advice, I make some adjustment, then things get better. When I am weak, this person encourages me

 

Hope didn't get off topic

[knaveman]

At what point do you seperate mind from body? Where is the line? Aren't they both the same? It would be like seperating yourself from your hand, where exactly on your wrist do you cut?

 

Just some thoughts, hope I helped the discussion.

[Explorer]

Do you mean through creator's eyes to understand self and life?

 

sometimes I caught up in my own understandings to circumstances around me (think of myself as the centre), then bitter, not understand, irriated, blame others; but when creator's perspective enters my heart, peace will follow.

 

The key point to divide if my own perspective or creator's perspective is PEACE, and I tried to learn His minds through his words. the more I understand His words, the more I think I can have good grasp for life for self. If I know myself well, then I can understand others as well.

 

understanding for self comes not from myself, it is like a person (I know it's God) stand there, and see clearly about my heart, and communicate it to me (sometimes we are very blind to our own weaknesses), according to his advice, I make some adjustment, then things get better. When I am weak, this person encourages me

 

Hope didn't get off topic

 

Hi LB,

 

Interesting points.

 

What I was actually refering to was that in order to understand our roles as humans, why don't we simply look at what we've been given to draw conclusions.

 

Example: Nothing else exists but myself and one plant that is edible and cannot harm. Therefore I conclude that my purpose is to consume this plant to survive.

 

This is what I mean when I say I'm analyzing life by looking at what we've been given in order to understand our purpose. I think all of our answers are simple if we can put the pieces of the puzzle together. Finding the pieces is the difficult part.

 

I take this approach because I have a hard time believing/following any religion that's been interpreted from a bias perspective so many times. So, at this point in my life, I do believe in a creator. But, that's all.

[Explorer]

At what point do you seperate mind from body? Where is the line? Aren't they both the same? It would be like seperating yourself from your hand, where exactly on your wrist do you cut?

 

Just some thoughts, hope I helped the discussion.

 

Separating mentally, not physcially.

 

Maybe a better way of putting it was separating mind and soul from body.

[FleshNBones]

If you can perceive yourself from a thrid person perspective, aren't you essentially separating mind and body?

 

In other words, if you can step away from yourself and judge who you are from an objective standpoint (Third person), you're separating mind and body. Soul is obviously a whole different discussion.

I believe Edgar Cayce suggested that when you clearly visualize a time and a place, that your soul is there and then experiencing it.

 

I try to visualize myself walking through my childhood home. I can feel the steepness of the staircase steps, and I can feel the texture of the walls. I can breathe the air, and I there is something very familiar about the air. I can see the furniture, and pictures as they were. I can walk from room to room, and see the various arrangements and changes over time. I am by myself.

There are the familiar smells and sounds. I can hear the acoustics of the room, and I have a sense of its size. I can feel where the walls of the room are. I know where the lightswitches are and I can still work them.

[Lovelybird]

This is what I mean when I say I'm analyzing life by looking at what we've been given in order to understand our purpose. I think all of our answers are simple if we can put the pieces of the puzzle together. Finding the pieces is the difficult part.

so true, when we can put the pieces together, then we can see every piece has it's special purpose, to fit right place to form a beautiful picture. some pieces may seem pale and dark, but if lack of any of them, the picture isn't a picture.

 

I think the creator who made the picture knows where the losing pieces are

[knaveman]

I didn't mean physically.

[rosabella20]

A sleep programmer does this activity everyday, but a sleep programmer controls his/her dreams and does what he/she wills in dreams.

[Ronni_W]

If you can perceive yourself from a thrid person perspective, aren't you essentially separating mind and body?

If I'm understanding correctly from the example you gave, that is more like working with sub-personalities -- a psychological tool/technique to help people gain a better understanding of "how they work", their thought patterns, triggers, etc. Sometimes also called "parts therapy" -- where the aim is to get in touch with your "angry part", "critical part", etc., so that you can 'reprogram' any limiting beliefs and ineffective behaviours that aren't helping you achieve your current day-to-day needs, desires and goals.

The observation or self-exploration is still being carried on by the logical/rational mind.

 

It isn't the same as separation of mind and body, which can sometimes result when one is in an altered state of consciousness (from meditation, dreams, hypnosis, mind-altering substances, etc.)

[Explorer]

A sleep programmer does this activity everyday, but a sleep programmer controls his/her dreams and does what he/she wills in dreams.

 

What is a "sleep programmer?"

[Explorer]

If I'm understanding correctly from the example you gave, that is more like working with sub-personalities -- a psychological tool/technique to help people gain a better understanding of "how they work", their thought patterns, triggers, etc. Sometimes also called "parts therapy" -- where the aim is to get in touch with your "angry part", "critical part", etc., so that you can 'reprogram' any limiting beliefs and ineffective behaviours that aren't helping you achieve your current day-to-day needs, desires and goals.

The observation or self-exploration is still being carried on by the logical/rational mind.

 

It isn't the same as separation of mind and body, which can sometimes result when one is in an altered state of consciousness (from meditation, dreams, hypnosis, mind-altering substances, etc.)

 

Yes, you understand me to a degree. Sometimes I have a hard time explaining myself in words. The part of my mind which produces thought is relatively intelligent, but the part that communicates those thoughts into words is sometimes handicapped.

 

Anyway, to take what I explained a step further, I feel that I have the ability to separate my body and mind from soul within my imagination. It's eerie when I think deeply about it. Feels like I can watch myself think and act while I'm observing myself from a distance. Almost like my soul is watching over me and my mind/body is acting on it's preplanned actions. Like my mind/body is a robot and my soul is the only thing free.

 

Anyone relate? Understand what I'm talking about? Think I'm crazy?

[Ronni_W]

Feels like I can watch myself think and act while I'm observing myself from a distance. Almost like my soul is watching over me and my mind/body is acting on it's preplanned actions. Like my mind/body is a robot and my soul is the only thing free.

I would LOVE to have that kind of awareness and ability to consciously communicate with my 'Higher Self'! -- still working on it, though. And many individuals in my spiritual development circle are striving for something similar -- for more and more people, it is not "crazy" at all. At the moment, I don't have to alter my consciousness too much but I still do have make some effort to 'speak with and hear' my Higher Self.

 

But, except in cases of mental disorders and psychoses, we all have the capacity to manage our mind and body. I sometimes don't have as much self-discipline over that as I'd like -- still working on it, though . Because I don't like the idea of just being an observer to my own actions, thoughts and behaviours -- I want those to be 'in the moment' rather than just "preplanned actions" that I have no chance of controlling and improving upon.

Put another way, I will not be a prisoner to my own "preprogrammed" beliefs, thoughts and reactions. That's just not good enough for me.

[KinAZ]

How do you define mind? That with which one reasons?

 

Meaning, the ability for reason to override the 5 senses, so to speak, and impulses associated with them?

 

Some say that the soul and the spirit are the same thing, some say that they are two different things. The body being concerned with things relating to the physical experience, the soul being concerned with things relating to reason, and the spirit... well... that's easy.

[Ronni_W]

How do you define mind? That with which one reasons?

To make it easier on myself when I'm "working" on this stuff, I separate conscious mind, subconscious mind and unconscious mind. (Some people use subconscious and unconscious interchangeably.) Others may not separate 'mind' at all, or may divide even further. I think the best is to just view them as "tools", and use the tools in ways that work best for our specific purposes.

 

At the same time, I do consider that 'all of me' is inextricably linked and involved with my physical and my non-physical experiences, aspects and "realms".

 

For me, I associate my conscious mind with logic and reason - limiting in the sense that it is always looking for "facts and proof." I see the subconscious as being expansive, limitless -- the 'place' where anything is possible, the place where my Higher Self 'resides', as it were. I do not assign to my conscious mind the power to override my senses (only because that doesn't work for me, personally.) For me also...Soul, Spirit, Intuition and Higher Self are of the same non-physical aspect/realm -- different words to represent my Sixth Sense.

 

When I consider "separating mind and body" as per the OP's post, I am generally working from (my self-definition of) the subconscious level...but I do also need my conscious mind's help to "get me there" .

 

EDIT TO ADD: For me, my physical (5) senses 'live' in my unconscious -- logic and reason alone, cannot influence that. But can be influenced when in an altered state of consciousness (which requires my subconscious.) At least, that's how I use the tools.