Author MaxManwell Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 Not sure if this has already been covered ...but...I'm wondering where you gain this odd perception of reality from. Something(s) happened in your life for you to be seeing this false negative perception of reality. Its possible.... I don't know maybe I do have an odd perception of reality or maybe everyone else is just stupid. Depends on who you talk too doesn't it as we tend to believe a lot of things that are not accurate. I mean.. what good is it telling the population, if it were the truth, that ugly people don't progress. Your standard wall mart cashier wouldn't put in any effort at all, but if they think they have a fair chance to be promoted they'll work hard. Lately... as in the last 6 years I just don't seem to have ANY luck its gets to be annoying after a while I expect things to go wrong, and more often than not they do. Link to post Share on other sites
JustinWolf Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Max, Not sure if this has already been covered ...but...I'm wondering where you gain this odd perception of reality from. Something(s) happened in your life for you to be seeing this false negative perception of reality. As fas as good-looking people, if you're so jealous, why don't you quit complaining, get off your a$$, go exercise and get in shape, learn how to dress fashionable, and keep good hygiene. Walla! You are now good-looking. It's not Walla, it's Voila. @Max: I'm sure people have already told you, just be positive. Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Its possible.... I don't know maybe I do have an odd perception of reality or maybe everyone else is just stupid. Depends on who you talk too doesn't it as we tend to believe a lot of things that are not accurate. I mean.. what good is it telling the population, if it were the truth, that ugly people don't progress. Your standard wall mart cashier wouldn't put in any effort at all, but if they think they have a fair chance to be promoted they'll work hard. Lately... as in the last 6 years I just don't seem to have ANY luck its gets to be annoying after a while I expect things to go wrong, and more often than not they do. You know, I think climbing the ladder of success in life has more to do with kissing ass and working hard than looking good. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Everyone thinks good looking people have it a lot easier in this world...I assure you that is not the case. The better-looking people of my friends are the ones who are in their 30's and single. Face it, guys don't want to marry pretty women, for fear they will cheat and there will be too much temptation. There's a song written about it- "If you want to be happy for the rest of your life..." It's entirely 100% true. Link to post Share on other sites
lino Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Even if I disagree with what the OP is saying, is there really any point in all of you degrading him like you are? Doesn't help anything really and makes you all look even more bitter and hateful than him... Face it, guys don't want to marry pretty women, for fear they will cheat and there will be too much temptation. This isn't true. And good looking people definitely have it easier with SOME things, it's delusional to deny it. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Even if I disagree with what the OP is saying, is there really any point in all of you degrading him like you are? Doesn't help anything really and makes you all look even more bitter and hateful than him... This isn't true. And good looking people definitely have it easier with SOME things, it's delusional to deny it. I consider myself good-looking...although good-looking is a relative term b/c some of you might think I'm a dog...but anyway, I have struggled a lot more than all of my friends in terms of finding love. Yes, I finally found someone but all my friends are married already and I'm not. Furthermore, I have found in the past that when I dated people they were only interested in me b/c of my looks. I felt as though my looks overpowered what's inside and that was what they didn't get to know b/c of it. I was always "the hot chick" when I was dying to be "the smart girl" or "the nice girl"...believe me, it's not all cakes & cookies... Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom 35 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I have a friend who is on the extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to looks. Very, very good looking. Also, surprisingly, not the best self esteem. Result? A lot of guys date her because she is hot. They date her without caring about her funny personality or her brains. They don't treat her very well, she puts up with it because of low self esteem, and then there is an ugly break up and the whole thing starts again. It's not that simple sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 An operative question would be what kind of men does she "allow" to date her? A universally attractive person chooses whom they have romantic relationships with. Perhaps she needs to examine her selection process to find a man who does enjoy her sense of humor and intelligence. There are a lot of us who can see past the veneer That said, a universally attractive woman with low self esteem would be tedious for me since they're always seeking external validation. The process would be too much drama for this guy... Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom 35 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 An operative question would be what kind of men does she "allow" to date her? A universally attractive person chooses whom they have romantic relationships with. Perhaps she needs to examine her selection process to find a man who does enjoy her sense of humor and intelligence. There are a lot of us who can see past the veneer That said, a universally attractive woman with low self esteem would be tedious for me since they're always seeking external validation. The process would be too much drama for this guy... She is not very good at picking men. I usually say "uh oh..." when hearing about the latest. And yes, there would be too much drama for you, Carhill. You would treat her so well, she would not know what to do. I, on the other hand....could use a nice guy like you! Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 You would treat her so well, she would not know what to do. I, on the other hand....could use a nice guy like you! LOL, I can see I have much work left to do.... Back in my single days, I did have a couple of universally attractive female friends who valued my being available as a neutral male signpost. Not being oblivious to the lack of romantic signals they were sending out, it was easy to be friends with them. I just overlooked the veneer and enjoyed their depth. Interestingly, they also had a number of gay male friends as well, perhaps because that was one way they could enjoy men without the hassle of fending off romantic overtures I hope your friend doesn't get stuck in a pattern of convenient relationships, which is easy to do when attracting people superficially (with her looks). It can, over time, be really disheartening. I've seen this and it hurts... Link to post Share on other sites
cutegirl Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 The reason is because everyone is nice to the good looking waitress and cashiers because everyone wants their approval. The immigrant taxi drivers and delivery men are usually pretty ugly and unlikeable it is so no one care what they thin therefore it is a better measure of a persons level of kindness. Lol, are you kidding? Cashiers have offended me (as I have posted about on here) before but they were male and unattractive. I could care less about an attractive female cashier because i also consider myself good looking and besides I am successful, why would I want the approval of a female service worker? Their job is to service me. They need my approval, not the other way around. If anything they should be intimidated by me because I am just as attractive but a lot more successful and they are servicing ME. I would be intimidated by other women if they were good looking and successful (such as me) but I dont give a damn about approval from a waitress or service worker. Link to post Share on other sites
cutegirl Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Also, I don't think most men care about wanting "approval" from a really attractive waitress or cashier. My ex would lash out at ANY one who messes up his order or gives him bad service, he wouldn't give a crap if she was a 10, if she messed with him he would get her fired. All Im saying is a hot cashier or waitress the LAST person most people would be intimidated by. If a woman is attractive and a celebrity etc then yes, everyone would kiss her ass and want her approval. Someone who is attractive but a cashier/waitress? No one gives a damn. There are a lot of women these days who are a 9-10 but also successful and make a lot of money. I am talking model looks and six figures a year. Being a 9 but working as a waitress cannot compete with that. I have seen girls who used to be models and have 10 looks and who are dentists are doctors and make more money than most average men. A waitress cannot even compare to them. Nothing against waitresses or cashiers. I DO NOT THINK I AM BETTER THAN THEY ARE. It's just that those are the last people anyone would want approval from. Link to post Share on other sites
Author MaxManwell Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 Also, I don't think most men care about wanting "approval" from a really attractive waitress or cashier. My ex would lash out at ANY one who messes up his order or gives him bad service, he wouldn't give a crap if she was a 10, if she messed with him he would get her fired. Your X sounds like less than a quality guy, really, and you people are chewing me out about this ? Link to post Share on other sites
Author MaxManwell Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 Lol, are you kidding? Cashiers have offended me (as I have posted about on here) before but they were male and unattractive. I could care less about an attractive female cashier because i also consider myself good looking and besides I am successful, why would I want the approval of a female service worker? Their job is to service me. They need my approval, not the other way around. If anything they should be intimidated by me because I am just as attractive but a lot more successful and they are servicing ME. I would be intimidated by other women if they were good looking and successful (such as me) but I dont give a damn about approval from a waitress or service worker. a) I have a waitress fetish. b) Generally, the idea is to get the customer to like you, when people that like you are nice to you, you want to see them again. Hence they're seeking your approval and will return to the store for said approval. No one is coming back to buy another T-shirt because some fat smelly old man they don't even like was nice to them when they bought it. Will a bunch of workmen come back to the pub because the girl with the enormous jugs was nice to them ? Hell yes they will, will they be nice to her back to get approval (niceness) from her ? Hell yes they will. People like being liked by like able people. You said a female waitress or cashier is that last person you would feel threatened by that contributes to you liking that person or seeking their approval. That is all part of it. c) Yes there are exceptions there are people who are just plain nasty and you cannot do much about those people. We share the same wave length in that we believed* those people are there to serve us and seek our approval. When I said that I was in a bad mood, I didn't mean it and I am sorry I said what I did. You can't treat people poorly just because they're in a position to not retaliate its not right and it is cowardly. However I stand by my statement that she should clean up the spill. Personally I find your statement to be as in just as much of a poor taste as mine you're just talking down to those people and making them out to be servants. I don't like it. Why do I hate good looking people ? I can't even remember I think I am all out of steam. Come to think of it some of my best friends are good looking people, some of my best female friends are smoking hot. I guess what I really hate is narrow minded idiots, spoiled un carring people, and the plain vindictive. Good looking people just seem to have had it easy and therefore less scope for empathy towards the less fortunate. That really irks me about successful people, when they don't care about those worse off. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I have a friend who is on the extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to looks. Very, very good looking. Also, surprisingly, not the best self esteem. Result? A lot of guys date her because she is hot. They date her without caring about her funny personality or her brains. They don't treat her very well, she puts up with it because of low self esteem, and then there is an ugly break up and the whole thing starts again. It's not that simple sometimes. I get that too a lot of times but I have very high self-esteem so I usually kick 'em to the curb. It is harder for good-looking women to find quality men worth dating...b/c like you said, I feel like guys don't try to get to know me as a person, all they see is a pretty face. Link to post Share on other sites
Author MaxManwell Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 I get that too a lot of times but I have very high self-esteem so I usually kick 'em to the curb. It is harder for good-looking women to find quality men worth dating...b/c like you said, I feel like guys don't try to get to know me as a person, all they see is a pretty face. I need a woman to be intelligent I need her to be able to understand concepts and logic. I need her to be a good person and to have empathy towards other people. Most good looking career women aren't like that and cannot see past their own little view of the world where they're their own little diva. Job title doesn't mean anything to me, good looking women are also less likely to be intelligent but have an inflated sense of self worth because looks are valued and in a society where sex sells they usually end up in a position of some privilege. I'll look at what is inside a womans mind when there is something there of quality to look at that doesn't come from hot air and college degree's. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I need a woman to be intelligent I need her to be able to understand concepts and logic. I need her to be a good person and to have empathy towards other people. Most good looking career women aren't like that and cannot see past their own little view of the world where they're their own little diva. Job title doesn't mean anything to me, good looking women are also less likely to be intelligent but have an inflated sense of self worth because looks are valued and in a society where sex sells they usually end up in a position of some privilege. I'll look at what is inside a womans mind when there is something there of quality to look at that doesn't come from hot air and college degree's. But there are some good-looking women who hold positions of power b/c they work hard and are driven & motivated. Things are never just handed to me b/c I'm good-looking. I have had to work so hard for everything I have in my life. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 We're all victims of our own particular circumstance to a very large extent. You succeed which is good, and I applaud your efforts but that does not mean a person who has not succeeded did not work hard too. Nor does it make you intelligent and furthermore the term 'hard work' is subjective - that hardest working people in the world will probably never be realized for their efforts. Based on what you have said just there, to be frank, I'd probably try and have sex with you (as you say you are pretty) but I would never under any circumstances want to date you. Which is unfortunate because you have so many good qualities that you have demonstrated. However, you seem to be going just fine in your life. I just don't like the implied level of arrogance. Of course there is always that chance of working as hard as you can and failing, I understand that, but at the same time there are people who do work hard & succeed and those who don't work hard and also succeed. There are many different circumstances. My personal feeling is perhaps in the career world, good-looking women have it a bit easier, but when it comes to dating however, we don't. You just demonstrated my pt by saying you'd have sex with me but not date me. I get that a lot b/c I am pretty. This is why I say pretty women have a harder time in the dating world and are less likely to get married and find monogamous love. When someone is ugly, which is again a relative term (as what I would consider ugly, someone else might find beautiful), i think men try to look deeper within them as a person b/c they don't have the attractive exterior, so men are forced to dig to find other "internal" qualities. Link to post Share on other sites
lino Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I consider myself good-looking...although good-looking is a relative term b/c some of you might think I'm a dog...but anyway, I have struggled a lot more than all of my friends in terms of finding love. Yes, I finally found someone but all my friends are married already and I'm not. Furthermore, I have found in the past that when I dated people they were only interested in me b/c of my looks. I felt as though my looks overpowered what's inside and that was what they didn't get to know b/c of it. I was always "the hot chick" when I was dying to be "the smart girl" or "the nice girl"...believe me, it's not all cakes & cookies... I wasn't so much talking about the romantic side of things. What I meant was that good looking people, especially women, have SOME things easier. Things like getting to the front of long queues, avoiding speeding fines, things like that. I definitely don't think they have everything easier though. I have a friend who is on the extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to looks. Very, very good looking. Also, surprisingly, not the best self esteem. Result? A lot of guys date her because she is hot. They date her without caring about her funny personality or her brains. They don't treat her very well, she puts up with it because of low self esteem, and then there is an ugly break up and the whole thing starts again. It's not that simple sometimes. Of course it's not that simple but it's even less simple for the ugly girls who wouldn't even get 1/100th of the opportunities she gets with guys. Both you and Carhill have identified her real problem with your quotes below. It's not hard to tell if someone is getting to know you for your looks alone and it's then up to you to dismiss them if you want more than just that. Your friend just likes the attention. An operative question would be what kind of men does she "allow" to date her? A universally attractive person chooses whom they have romantic relationships with. Perhaps she needs to examine her selection process to find a man who does enjoy her sense of humor and intelligence. There are a lot of us who can see past the veneer That said, a universally attractive woman with low self esteem would be tedious for me since they're always seeking external validation. The process would be too much drama for this guy... She is not very good at picking men. I usually say "uh oh..." when hearing about the latest. And yes, there would be too much drama for you, Carhill. You would treat her so well, she would not know what to do. I, on the other hand....could use a nice guy like you! It is harder for good-looking women to find quality men worth dating... Sorry, this isn't true either. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I wasn't so much talking about the romantic side of things. What I meant was that good looking people, especially women, have SOME things easier. Things like getting to the front of long queues, avoiding speeding fines, things like that. I definitely don't think they have everything easier though. Of course it's not that simple but it's even less simple for the ugly girls who wouldn't even get 1/100th of the opportunities she gets with guys. Both you and Carhill have identified her real problem with your quotes below. It's not hard to tell if someone is getting to know you for your looks alone and it's then up to you to dismiss them if you want more than just that. Your friend just likes the attention. Sorry, this isn't true either. I have never gotten out of a speeding ticket or never had to wait on line due to looks. I did get out of speeding ticket b/c I cried...lol. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I tend to get out of speeding tickets because I very rarely speed. I hope you don't live in NYC... Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 The suggestion that I wouldn't date a woman because she is pretty is ridiculous. I would not date a woman because of personality flaws that are often exhibited by a good looking woman, but not strictly because she is good looking which is still a pleasant bonus. What kind of personality traits do pretty women exhibit? It really isn't fair to generalise though...we are all different. Alot are cocky about it. I, for one, am not. Link to post Share on other sites
lino Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I have never gotten out of a speeding ticket or never had to wait on line due to looks. I can answer that but you might not want to hear it.. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I can answer that but you might not want to hear it.. Answer what? I didn't even ask a question...lol Link to post Share on other sites
lino Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 sorry, poorly written on my part. What I meant is that I could tell you why you've never jumped a queue or avoided a fine due to your looks. Link to post Share on other sites
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