He invited me to his house.

[noforgiveness]

The wife would be queen chump if she knew about Lizzie. She has no idea she is bathing in Lizzies body fluids but Lizzie on the other hand certainly knows she is sharing body fluids with this woman. Now who is the chump?

[Owl]

Well no that's not true as to your last comment because in this case Lizzie is happy with her relationship with these men so she is winning just as much if not more than the MM, she also has her young hottie on the side who she has been seeing for a while and she gets all the best from all the men around her. I'm telling you she is on to something here she has the right formula to always get the best for herself. I just don't see how that can be worse that a hot tub full of foreign jizz a "queen" gets for all her hard work and worry.

 

Its amazing to me how we can see exact opposites in this.

 

I don't see that she's "on to something"...

 

I see somone who's struggling with some very, very deep emotional issues. Someone who started out as an OW at the age of 15, and never mentally left that position.

 

Someone who learned from that age that love is the same as sex...and so now is completely focused on attempting to get as much "love" as she can, any way that she can. Being 'pursued' by so many is her primary satisfaction...and the fact that so many of those pursuers are willing to pay just adds to her feelings of self-worth.

 

Its how she identifies herself. Its the only yardstick she knows to use to measure her self-worth.

 

Her entire measure of self-worth is around her appearance, and her ability to get men to pursue her.

 

I don't find this as a worthy goal for most.

 

The "queen" may be getting a bad deal here...but at the end of the day...I like the measuring tool she uses to measure her self worth a lot more than I do Lizzie's.

[Touche]

Nope. I already said I say "no thanks" to the whole mess. Not for me to be the Queen "Chump" NOR the consort. But yes, if I HAD to pick I'd pick the Queen Chump.

 

It's better than the alternative in this case. So demeaning. I mean both positions are but to me one is worse than the other.

 

As for you saying that the OP gets "all the best" from the men around her. Wow. That's sad. If that's their "best" it makes me sad for her.

 

She's "on to something?":laugh: Too funny. Not in my book. "The right formula?" You're kidding me, right?

 

Wow. Just wow.

 

And why am I again reminded of what I said above. "Oh yeah, I'm happy. He only beats me twice a month and the rest of the time everything is perfect."

 

This is no different than that in my view.

 

Amazing what some people will settle for.

 

And yes, I'm JUDGING. So what?

[Owl]

And I'd like to repost my question to Lizzie...

 

How would you feel if someone violated your sanctuary in the same fashion as happened on this thread? If someone else was brought into your home, and was intimate in the place that you consider as your sanctuary? On your belongings, in your tub, etc...?

[bish]

You do know she was being sarcastic, don't you?

 

I wasn't talking about noforgiveness' post being disgusting, I was talking about the premise of this whole thread.

[a4a]

Again, if you feel money/material "luxury" is worth being taken for a chump and being back stabbed as this man is doing to his w by bringing women back to their OWN home to pork them in his wife's own hot tub, if you feel it is a fair trade off in order to get "luxury" and the disgusting behaviour falls short of her material comforts, then really what are we discussing morals here for?

 

You are really no different than Lizzie, you have a price as well!

 

 

 

I don't have a price.... I don't need to sneak into any mans house to have sex with him. Then again I am the bread winner so likely I would be sneaking "larry" into my house

 

Liz is not in control here the MM is. Liz cannot just call and ask to come over.

 

The wife has more power as well.

[pollywag]

Its amazing to me how we can see exact opposites in this.

 

I don't see that she's "on to something"...

 

I see somone who's struggling with some very, very deep emotional issues. Someone who started out as an OW at the age of 15, and never mentally left that position.

 

Someone who learned from that age that love is the same as sex...and so now is completely focused on attempting to get as much "love" as she can, any way that she can. Being 'pursued' by so many is her primary satisfaction...and the fact that so many of those pursuers are willing to pay just adds to her feelings of self-worth.

 

Its how she identifies herself. Its the only yardstick she knows to use to measure her self-worth.

 

Her entire measure of self-worth is around her appearance, and her ability to get men to pursue her.

 

I don't find this as a worthy goal for most.

 

 

 

You would see that, I think you see a lot of things that are not there. I have read some of your posts and you do tend to see only what you want to see. It's odd you see so much in people's situations that you have no real notion of, since you couldn't see your own situation with your W happening right under your own nose.

 

I take Lizzie's posts at face value and this is why I see someone who is at ease with her lifestyle and choices:

 

• She is never angry
  
• She always laughs things off even when people insult her she laughs it off, everything literally rolls off her back and that is a true sign of someone who does not give a crap what anyone thinks about her and who has nothing to prove
  
• She is not trying to convince anyone of anything she shares her experiences and people jump all over that, they can't handle her lifestyle, she has the balls to do what a lot dont
  
• She is happy, and conveys a happy non judegemental tone in all her posts
  
• She is not trying to be heard, like some around here who clearly can't be heard at home so they hope some annonymous poster will hear them
  
• Her actions don't contradict her words what you see is what you get with Lizzie so there is no room for surprises or dissapointment, how much more self awareness can a one human being have?
  
• She is completely open about her lifestyle and what she wants, again selfawareness to the max, she is not chained to moral demons and fake expectations to be something she is not, like some are who are all talk but leave a lot to be desired in terms of who they are
  

 

The "queen" may be getting a bad deal here...but at the end of the day...I like the measuring tool she uses to measure her self worth a lot more than I do Lizzie's.

 

You have no clue what the "queen" is about or how she measures her self worth for all you know the "queen" in this situation is off having her own affair so...

[silktricks]

I wasn't talking about noforgiveness' post being disgusting, I was talking about the premise of this whole thread.

 

Oh - sorry - I misunderstood. But I agree about the disgustingness of the premise of this thread.

[Touche]

Great post A4A. The OP is completely at the MM and the wife's mercy as far as when she'll see "her" MM. She has really no say in that regard.

 

I can't imagine being in such a position. I have to call the shots at least some of the time.

 

Man, I'd make a really lousy OW!

[Owl]

I'm sorry, Pollywag. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

I think you see a whole lot of "face value"...and very little of what's caused it.

 

I see a whole lot of denial.

 

I don't see a lot of self-awareness, I see a lot more self-centeredness.

 

I see very little compassion, empathy, or true sympathy.

 

I see hundreds of posts wrapped around her appearance, compliments given by MM. I see so much that she's posted that clearly indicates that her measuring stick is exactly as I've described it.

 

My "assumption" on the measuring stick that the "queen" uses is at least as valid as any other. Your right...she could be out having her own affair while her H was sloshing around with Lizzie. I have no more "clue" than you do...but if I simply subsitute the measuring stick that the majority of "normal people" use.

 

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree. I see NOTHING approaching noble or admirable in all of this.

[Touche]

Got to agree with Luv and Owl here. I almost choked on my lunch on the "not trying to convince others" part.

 

As for the rest, come ON. Are you kidding me?

 

Oh and nice try on trying to bash other posters in there. I see you're a class act too. How on earth would you know what goes on in other people's homes?

 

Oh and yeah, the rest of us are chained to our "moral demons." Cute line.

 

Hell if the OP's way is the alternative leave me "chained!"

 

Man this thread is at least funny.

[pollywag]

I'm sorry, Pollywag. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

I think you see a whole lot of "face value"...and very little of what's caused it.

 

I see a whole lot of denial.

 

I don't see a lot of self-awareness, I see a lot more self-centeredness.

 

I see very little compassion, empathy, or true sympathy.

 

I see hundreds of posts wrapped around her appearance, compliments given by MM. I see so much that she's posted that clearly indicates that her measuring stick is exactly as I've described it.

 

My "assumption" on the measuring stick that the "queen" uses is at least as valid as any other. Your right...she could be out having her own affair while her H was sloshing around with Lizzie. I have no more "clue" than you do...but if I simply subsitute the measuring stick that the majority of "normal people" use.

 

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree. I see NOTHING approaching noble or admirable in all of this.

 

 

Don't take this the wrong way since I am seriously curious here, how can you see all this and not have caught on to your wife's situation? It does not get any more face value than that, and yet you completely missed it. I am not trying to be insulting I honestly question how you can have such a handle on a complete stranger and such discontrol over your own partner's cheating? Can you please explain that?

[pollywag]

Got to agree with Luv and Owl here. I almost choked on my lunch on the "not trying to convince others" part.

 

As for the rest, come ON. Are you kidding me?

 

Oh and nice try on trying to bash other posters in there. I see you're a class act too. How on earth would you know what goes on in other people's homes?

 

Oh and yeah, the rest of us are chained to our "moral demons." Cute line.

 

Hell if the OP's way is the alternative leave me "chained!"

 

Man this thread is at least funny.

 

Touche you do it too, I've read your posts in the dating section. When a woman is above 50 yrs of age and she looks great and still gets lots of attention she likes to flaunt that, you flaunt it too and at your age if I look as good as you ladies do I will too.

[pollywag]

. L60 is constantly bragging about her looks and disparaging the looks of many of the MM's W's. She has initiated threads stating she could get any man to cheat with her if she wanted. That does not speak to the theory that she "does not try to convince anyone of anything" or that she "does not give a crap what anyone thinks about her" and that she "has nothing to prove."

 

 

As per you, read my previous post but you wouldn't understand.

 

A woman that looks great after she reaches a certain age takes great pride in that.

[Touche]

Touche you do it too, I've read your posts in the dating section. When a woman is above 50 yrs of age and she looks great and still gets lots of attention she likes to flaunt that, you flaunt it too and at your age if I look as good as you ladies do I will too.

 

You lost me. I flaunt it? What do I flaunt? And I'm not above 50 by the way.

 

Nice backhanded compliment though GP.

[Touche]

As per you, read my previous post but you wouldn't understand.

 

A woman that looks great after she reaches a certain age takes great pride in that.

 

How should taking "great pride" in one's looks manifest itself in your opinion?

 

Would it be by wearing nice clothes and smiling and being pleasant and maybe a little flirty?

 

Or would it be by spreading one's legs to any MM for the right price.

 

Just curious because I wasn't too clear on what you meant by that.

[whichwayisup]

When a woman is above 50 yrs of age and she looks great and still gets lots of attention she likes to flaunt that,

 

There's a big difference between flaunting it and having to flaunt it to get other people's approval and reaction. Some could say flaunting it too much means the person is insecure..

[OWoman]

For now.....

 

Yes, that's what I said. Did you miss that bit?

[Touche]

Luv, you got it. Of course it's a huge difference.

 

It's the difference between class and declasse'. That's huge.

[Owl]

Don't take this the wrong way since I am seriously curious here, how can you see all this and not have caught on to your wife's situation? It does not get any more face value than that, and yet you completely missed it. I am not trying to be insulting I honestly question how you can have such a handle on a complete stranger and such discontrol over your own partner's cheating? Can you please explain that?

 

No problem...and good question.

 

I suspected that my wife's relationship with OM had "crossed the line" even before it "officially" had. I had misgivings and attempted to get her to back down on her online time with OM prior to their professions of love for each other.

 

However...I needed that "proof" just as many others here do/did. The situation had to come to a head before it could be addressed. My wife was like everyone else..."we're just friends"..."you have nothing to worry about". And without that "proof"...she continued to carry on the way she was.

 

And...I admit, I gave her more "benefit of the doubt" than I should have. We'd been married a LONG time...that's a lot of built up trust to destroy.

 

Once it DID get down to that level...I took the steps I needed to to get my "proof"...a couple of days later...BAM...d-day.

 

I had a good "handle" on my wife's situation...but I didn't have any tools to force changes and fix the problem until things got to a point where they were undeniable...it was only then that true action could be taken to end the affair and get NC in place.

 

Good question.

[silktricks]

As per you, read my previous post but you wouldn't understand.

 

A woman that looks great after she reaches a certain age takes great pride in that.

 

There is a gigantic difference between taking pride in your own looks and disparaging the looks of others.

[Leoni]

Luv, you got it. Of course it's a huge difference.

 

It's the difference between class and declasse'. That's huge.

I hate to nag you but you need to get your work done, so stop goofing around.

 

My apologies to everyone and the OP for going off-topic. Peace.

[a4a]

I am shocked that people are so passionate about this.

 

I still don't see the point for the OP or supporters to diss the wife.

 

Way too emotional for my tastes.

 

If I was going to be a no strings attached OW I would care less what the wife looked like - lived like - or did.

 

MM would just be a good time nothing more and his wife certainly would be neutral to me.

 

I sense liz has some feelings for this guy...... and that is a mistake. He just gets more control that way.

[pollywag]

You lost me. I flaunt it? What do I flaunt? And I'm not above 50 by the way.

 

Nice backhanded compliment though GP.

 

I'm sorry, for some reason I thought you were above 50 and looked like you were still in your 40's so I assumed you still looked great for your age. Anyway I meant that any woman who is older and still looks great takes pride in that. Since some women really let themselves go they look like a lardy muppets. I've seen you praise yourself like Lizzie does since you both look great, so why is one ok and not the other?

[a4a]

I'm sorry, for some reason I thought you were above 50 and looked like you were still in your 40's so I assumed you still looked great for your age. Anyway I meant that any woman who is older and still looks great takes pride in that. Since some women really let themselves go they look like a lardy muppets. I've seen you praise yourself like Lizzie does since you both look great, so why is one ok and not the other?

 

I have never seen Touche claim she could steal your husband...... :lmao: Although I wish she would steal mine!!!