My ex just called.. she found my phone number in his wallet

[Lizzie60]

Lizzie did the kids ever live with the two of you during your R ? Curious as to how old they were at the time of your R with the ex..

 

Yes they did.. eventhough the mother had custody.. they liked their dad's place much better.. they were young teens then... 11-12 I think... two boys.. adorable.. they loved me..

 

We were a nice little family.. she never forgot the 'episode' of my 'return'..

 

OWL: I repeat.. she has no clue we even spoke since our break-up.. stop saying she suspect things.. she doesn't .. she just found my cell. phone #.. but he is a good liar.. everything is under control now.. they just had a huge argument about it..

[not_clever]

Funny how Lzzy hides behind pics of younger girls I have saw a real pic Lizzie has posted of herself and its far removed from the pics she has up.

[Owl]

Polly...marriages actually CAN recover from infidelity.

 

Really. Truly. I'm not even making this up. It can happen. Its amazing!! You might even consider it "miraculous"! (for further definition of miracle, report to the Mother Superior, she'll set you straight)

 

It doesn't take a LOSER to recover and rebuild a marriage successfully after an affair. On the contrary...it takes a LOT of hard work, effort, and time on BOTH parties to make it happen.

[Lookingforward]

Yes they did.. eventhough the mother had custody.. they liked their dad's place much better.. they were young teens then... 11-12 I think... two boys.. adorable.. they loved me..

 

We were a nice little family.. she never forgot the 'episode' of my 'return'..

 

OWL: I repeat.. she has no clue we even spoke since our break-up.. stop saying she suspect things.. she doesn't .. she just found my cell. phone #.. but he is a good liar.. everything is under control now.. they just had a huge argument about it..

 

Then I think that's truly sad that those kids are denied acknowledgement of a part of their short history.......

[bish]

Exactly how much of this attitude is making her succeed in keeping Lizzie away from her husband? 0 of it. Because when you keep a cheater around they only try harder to get away with murder. .

 

Which is why I never recommend staying with a cheater. some people have to learn the hard way.

[bish]

yabut she has no clue we actually talk together since our break-up.. she found my # .. he denied even having spoken to me in all those years.. so she has no clue we even talk ...

 

Sounds to me like she isn't as stupid as you think she is. She knows something, you can better believe that.

[Lizzie60]

Maybe the woman just needs to go psycho and take care of business her way. While violence and murder is not the true answer, I can and would turn a blind eye to it. No one has the right to hurt someone else and that is what affairs do.

 

 

DNR

P.S.: She can always find out her phone bill other ways.

 

And??? maybe she will.. but you know what.. she will do like every women who post here about their cheating husband.. believe his lies.. or better yet.. knowing full well that he's lying.. but will just want to 'believe' he might be telling the truth...

 

Come on.. we read that all the time..

[GPFan]

Ok well let's put it this way. Who is the one being made out to be a schmuck by being kept in the dark and by being made out to see something that is not real? Who is being made a mockery of? And who is the one that decides "if the name Lizzie doesn't get mentioned then the house is safe from harm"? Of course this woman is a victim, but to go as far as to call her a winner, that's a stretch. She is the loser because even if she catches her H in his wrong doings, she will more than likely continue to stay with him. So anyone who can willingly stay with someone who they have to keep spying on keeping tabs to make sure he is not cheating and who can also be so easily lied to, can't do anything more than lose.

Can anyone explain why it is some OWs are so absolutely infuriated by spouses who stay after discovery? Is it because the goal is to break up the marriage so they feel they have failed?

 

I have read a fair number of OWs here who have issues with marriage in general. Could it be that the very idea of any marriage surviving is anathema to them? Are they on a mission to show the rest of the world what a horror marriage is? Are there failed marriages in their own past?

 

There probably isn't any one answer, I am sure, but it is an interesting phenomena!

[Lizzie60]

Then I think that's truly sad that those kids are denied acknowledgement of a part of their short history.......

 

 

But that's quite awhile ago.. now these young boys are men.. I saw the youngest about 3 months ago..

 

They were adorable.. great kids.. they just swallowed it and never mentionned my name again.. if they talked about me they just made sure she wasn't around.. but I don't think my name came up THAT often.. they just stop talking about me.. it was simpler that way.. for everyone around.

[pollywag]

Polly...marriages actually CAN recover from infidelity.

 

Really. Truly. I'm not even making this up. It can happen. Its amazing!! You might even consider it "miraculous"! (for further definition of miracle, report to the Mother Superior, she'll set you straight)

 

It doesn't take a LOSER to recover and rebuild a marriage successfully after an affair. On the contrary...it takes a LOT of hard work, effort, and time on BOTH parties to make it happen.

 

So does it take a winner or a loser to realise a person who has lied to you and hidden a whole affair from you once will do it to you again? You can never rest assured again. And if you can never turn a corner without watching over your shoulder again, much like this W is doing, then what kind of a winner lifestyle is that?

 

Mother Magdalen always says "My children always remember that losing doesn't feel so bad so long as you win"

[Lizzie60]

Can anyone explain why it is some OWs are so absolutely infuriated by spouses who stay after discovery? Is it because the goal is to break up the marriage so they feel they have failed?

 

I have read a fair number of OWs here who have issues with marriage in general. Could it be that the very idea of any marriage surviving is anathema to them? Are they on a mission to show the rest of the world what a horror marriage is? Are there failed marriages in their own past?

 

There probably isn't any one answer, I am sure, but it is an interesting phenomena!

 

Oh my.. not at all.. I am not infuriated at all... in fact I don't want any of them to leave.. but it's just an observation from the posts I read here and in RL in general.. BS just stay.. and want to believe his shiyt... that's all.

 

I'm not on a mission to destroy marriages.. I don't want them ... Plus I don't believe in marriages.. I think it's crap.. it's insane to think a husband, especially, can remain faithful to ONE woman all his life.. it's just don't work that way.. it's unnatural.. IMO.

 

But I have to say that I like to 'experiment' stuff.. like that time on vacation with this guy... I know most men would cheat, given the opportunity.. it's just like that.. it's not MY fault.. I did the experiment.. and it showed me I was right.

[Art_Critic]

Funny how Lzzy hides behind pics of younger girls I have saw a real pic Lizzie has posted of herself and its far removed from the pics she has up.

 

She can use any picture she wants.. this is an anonymous board..

I use a clown avatar.. it isn't what I really look like.

[pollywag]

Can anyone explain why it is some OWs are so absolutely infuriated by spouses who stay after discovery? Is it because the goal is to break up the marriage so they feel they have failed?

 

I have read a fair number of OWs here who have issues with marriage in general. Could it be that the very idea of any marriage surviving is anathema to them? Are they on a mission to show the rest of the world what a horror marriage is? Are there failed marriages in their own past?

 

There probably isn't any one answer, I am sure, but it is an interesting phenomena!

 

 

My child, my only mission is to spread the word of god and to sneak off to play the slots at Casino Niagara when Mother Magdalen is off on one of her spirtual retreats.

 

A marriage that is plagued by a past as dirty an deceitful as an affair and is trying to overcome that is hardly something to be proud of nor is it a claim to success. It is a claim to settling for a sustainable farse. A marriage, a true marriage, is one that understands and builds on a very fundamental principal of respect to both partners and to the institution itself. When a person breaks the sacntity of that respect and the other accepts an act as violently intrusive and rebellious as infidelity is, it only shows how low a person is willing to sink in order to keep up an instintutional appearance. Once that is broken there is no building back, the soul bond is broken forever, no matter how much you try to disguise it.

The purity of the bond is gone and never ever coming back. To stay and think it does, or to pretend like you find a different better improved version of what once was, is to cheat yourself of the purity of love that happens between two people who truly respect and love each other from the inside out.

[Lizzie60]

She can use any picture she wants.. this is an anonymous board..

I use a clown avatar.. it isn't what I really look like.

 

True for every posters ... but all the pics in my profile are me.. a year or two at the most.. in fact.

 

I honestly don't care what people think.. they can choose not to believe me.. who cares!

[GPFan]

Oh my.. not at all.. I am not infuriated at all... in fact I don't want any of them to leave.. but it's just an observation from the posts I read here and in RL in general.. BS just stay.. and want to believe his shiyt... that's all.

You are correct. I have never read you spit fury at the wife who stays. However, your position that the wife is inherently inferior to the OW does reveal a lack of indifference. If you were truly indifferent, you would have no need to compare and find his wife deficient.

 

 

 

I'm not on a mission to destroy marriages.. I don't want them ... Plus I don't believe in marriages.. I think it's crap.. it's insane to think a husband, especially, can remain faithful to ONE woman all his life.. it's just don't work that way.. it's unnatural.. IMO.

Yes, I have come across the theory of OW as 'marital aid.' Perhaps a few OW are OK in that role but I don't believe the majority are.

 

You hold neither the MM nor marriage itself in high regard. Would this be a safe assumption?

 

Do you like men in general?

[pollywag]

Lizzy picture two in your profile, the one with the eyes and messy hair, who is that? Wooof wooof!!! I am wagging my tail so fast right now I think it might fly off my end.....he is SO yummy!!! :love:

[not_clever]

Art critic If you read lizzies posts she comes up with mad cap senarios. It appears she has no life apart from cleaning her whole trailer park if you read other posts by her. Sex for gifts and large sums of money!. Maybe you do wear lots of white makeup and have a goofy smile maybe you have lots of clown pics in your younger days but Lizzie changes her pic and its all younger females apart from the time she put up a real pic maybe by accident?

[Lucky_One]

Every time I see Lizzie post with her signature line, I think of another quote by a prominent feminist.

 

"Promiscuity in men may cheapen love but sharpen thought. Promiscuity in women is illness, a leakage of identity. The promiscuous woman is self-contaminated and incapable of clear ideas. She has ruptured the ritual integrity of her body."

 

Camille Paglia

[Lizzie60]

If you were truly indifferent, you would have no need to compare and find his wife deficient.

 

I am truly indifferent to the Ws... I have seen a few of them.. one (my young MM) is cute... the other (MM from work) is the ugliest woman i've ever seen in my life.. she has a horse face.. really.. she looks like a man dressed with women's clothes.. unbelievable.. I don't understand why he would even want to have sex with her.. eewwww....

 

I never said she was 'deficient' about my ex W.. I said she was an idiot for what she said to his kids..

 

 

You hold neither the MM nor marriage itself in high regard. Would this be a safe assumption?

 

I do not believe in marriage, never did, never will.. (unless it's for a financial aspect).. then why not.. I don't believe in being faithful to one person all your life. it's not natural, IMO. I know I am in the minority to think that.. but what can I say..

 

Do you like men in general?

 

Yes I love men... This assumption makes me laugh.. Why would a woman who loves sex, loves men, (married or not) would hate men...

 

You could say the opposite too, that I hate women... but I don't.

 

I love everybody.. and everybody loves me.. except a few LSs...

[Lookingforward]

She can use any picture she wants.. this is an anonymous board..

I use a clown avatar.. it isn't what I really look like.

 

It isn't ???????????

[GPFan]

My child, my only mission is to spread the word of god and to sneak off to play the slots at Casino Niagara when Mother Magdalen is off on one of her spirtual retreats.

 

 

 

A marriage that is plagued by a past as dirty an deceitful as an affair and is trying to overcome that is hardly something to be proud of nor is it a claim to success. It is a claim to settling for a sustainable farse. A marriage, a true marriage, is one that understands and builds on a very fundamental principal of respect to both partners and to the institution itself. When a person breaks the sacntity of that respect and the other accepts an act as violently intrusive and rebellious as infidelity is, it only shows how low a person is willing to sink in order to keep up an instintutional appearance. Once that is broken there is no building back, the soul bond is broken forever, no matter how much you try to disguise it.

 

The purity of the bond is gone and never ever coming back. To stay and think it does, or to pretend like you find a different better improved version of what once was, is to cheat yourself of the purity of love that happens between two people who truly respect and love each other from the inside out.

Wow!

 

There a number of marriage plagues, not just infidelity. There is alcoholism, gambling addictions, golf or other sports, abuse, violence both emotional and physical, workaholism, etc.

 

The sanctity of marriage can be broken by any one of or combination of these plagues.

 

Yet there are marriages out there that have successfully overcome. I know this from personal observation of those around me. Where there is great love, there is hope. That much I have seen. Do you believe such a love can even exist?

 

Why is infidelity a special case?

[Lizzie60]

Lizzy picture two in your profile, the one with the eyes and messy hair, who is that? Wooof wooof!!! I am wagging my tail so fast right now I think it might fly off my end.....he is SO yummy!!! :love:

 

I know.. isn't he? He is by far my 'yummiest'... he's the fling I had in Cancun.. 2 years ago... 23 years old.. my youngest so far.. I was 54.. then.

 

He is the one who hit on me.. I would never have thought he had an eye on me.. my best friend (female) still talks about him..

 

He was also on vacation.. he's from Finland... we still exchange emails once in a while..

 

I love to close my eyes and 're-live' those 2 days.. huummm...

[Lizzie60]

It isn't ???????????

 

 

... haha.. me too.. I thought he was bald with just a crown of longer hair all around..

[Lizzie60]

 

 

 

Wow!

 

There a number of marriage plagues, not just infidelity. There is alcoholism, gambling addictions, golf or other sports, abuse, violence both emotional and physical, workaholism, etc.

 

The sanctity of marriage can be broken by any one of or combination of these plagues.

 

Yet there are marriages out there that have successfully overcome. I know this from personal observation of those around me. Where there is great love, there is hope. That much I have seen. Do you believe such a love can even exist?

 

Why is infidelity a special case?

 

May I? Infidelity is a special case because it involves another person.. not a bottle, a pill, or a gold club.. but a real person who you are attracted to .. very much.

[pollywag]

Lizzie my lamb, in the times I have been on LS off and on I keep seeing you as the Mary Magdalene of modern times. People love to hate you around here for your simplicity in looking at life, for your devotion to men, and for your free nature and candour, for your sincere happiness.

 

Much like Mary Magadalene, who sat at the feet of Jesus and poured upon his head oils and bathed his feet with her tears, she stayed close to him and learned from him ultimately and became enligtened. It is out of jealousy and hate that people show you sings of hatred around here because only those that condemn the most are unhappiest. When I see you I see ease, I see pleasure and I see happiness and this is ultimately the biggest threat to the commoners. Your proximity to men and abilty to keep them coming back to you time and time again due to the level of understanding you have for them is something the average woman is bound to envy with great fervour.

 

Take it a compliment when those lash out at you.