Terminator Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 ... or maybe it's to do with the way lizards drop their tails when they're cornered, leaving the predator to pounce on the wriggling tail while the rest of the lizard runs away to live another day (even smaller, with no tail)? Isn't that the kind of strategy some posters here employ, creating diversions to distract from the fact that their posts have no substance or are logically flawed or internally contradictory? it was the tail dropping strategy I was thinking about lol Link to post Share on other sites
silktricks Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 What I am trying to say is that EVERYONE makes judgements on all these things. I'm not claiming that judgements shouldn't be made, it is inevitable. The point I am trying to make is that the way that someone conveys their judgements is what is percieved as negative, critical, harsh, supporting, compassionate. Very well stated. Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat33 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 ....or maybe it's the skin-shedding thing? but if there was skin shedding to be had then there is hope for a metamorphosis and there is no reinvention happening here whatsoever. I think it was to the effect of the characteristics a bearded lizard has and its unecessarily stinging bite.... not to be confused with the bearded clam though. Link to post Share on other sites
bentnotbroken Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 PAHAHAHAHA :lmao::lmao: yes bear hands can be not only difficult to smuggle across a boarder they are impossible to find. Oh I see, on the one hand you take the time out to maticulously outline a distinction between jugemental and nonjudgemental and then you admit everyone does it and a person who is involved in an affair cannot go unjudged. Terrific, now that you understand the contradiction in your words and accept that you judge rather than support, then why defend yourself when people tell you you are doing so? What you should learn is not the difference between judgemental and nonjudgemental but the difference between support and judgement. Anywone can judge, can you actually reach out and touch someone though? You that you speak of god's message of what your spirituality dicates... God intended for you to reach out not to judge and cast condemnation on on fellow brothers and and sisters, so please stop using his name in vain when you try to justify your actions in propagating this "moral sermon" you constantly try to feed down everyone's throat. Unless of course this god you keep making reference to is the god you yourself think you are, then I can understand that laws of "your god" are not akin to the laws of THE god. In prayer it is better to have a heart without words than words without a heart. (Mohandas Gandhi) God also said to go to your brothers and sisters when you see them doing something against his will. Granted it should be said in a Christian way, the way Jesus spoke to everyone(except the jerks in the temple). I don't even now what this conversation is about, but my God did instruct me to when I see a wrong, say so. I understand OW post on societies and what each believes, it's called ethnocentrism, how we view the world through the standards that we hold. We all do it. Those of you who have had multiple, long term or even you see a person that you are interested in, you go after even though they are married. The view is that marriage vows mean nothing to you, so you are viewing the world through your own standards. It is part of human nature. We all judge child molesters harshly, why? Because it offends our standards, sensibilities if you will. Yet in some cultures, and underage child is expected to marry and have children, just like adults. So we all view the world by our own standards. And as far as shoving something down any one's throat, I don't know about DNR, but just as some ow will not change there minds about the vows of marriage or the boundaries of relationships,(as the extol the virtues of soul mates and passionate love)I can't see myself saying anything other than what I have already said. I expect you to take it or leave. Some op have taken and I am pleased that they made a change, but I am not disappointed that others haven't. Link to post Share on other sites
Dark-N-Romantic Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 What does this have to so with the subjext of judgementalism? But I will answer anyway. There was a dday and it was because I told the BS. but that's part of what I'm saying. Your arguement, part of the support of your arguement was that it isn't socially acceptable and so that makes it wrong. I was just pointing out that socialy acceptable or not has nothing to do with a each persons personal evaluation. Yes once again I am agreeing with you. At this we are both arguing the same point, social acceptance does not mean that something is alright. So social acceptance is NOT a good arguement in this thread. That isn't what I am saying at all. I'm not always good at communicating clearly my intenet, so I will clarify. What I am trying to say is that EVERYONE makes judgements on all these things. Look up the word judgement. As to the bolded part, yes that IS EXACTLY what I am saying. I'm not claiming that judgements shouldn't be made, it is inevitable. The point I am trying to make is that the way that someone conveys their judgements is what is percieved as negative, critical, harsh, supporting, compassionate. You can disagree with someone and still have compassion for their humanness. Or you can disagree with someone and have no understanding whatsoever. ~99 Who is trying to be clear with her points to this debate. Agent 99 I have come to this conclusion... You have your feelings about this and I have mine. It does not matter to me who is right or wrong. I used all the proof and definitions and examples to support myself and that is all that matters. Now how other people in the end feel about it is left to them. I can agree to disagree and move on with the path I am going. Nice debating you. DNR Link to post Share on other sites
Lyssa Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Well.. about time. Link to post Share on other sites
Agent_99 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Agent 99 I have come to this conclusion... You have your feelings about this and I have mine. It does not matter to me who is right or wrong. I used all the proof and definitions and examples to support myself and that is all that matters. Now how other people in the end feel about it is left to them. I can agree to disagree and move on with the path I am going. Nice debating you. DNR DNR~ but I was having so much fun with it I never really thought we would agree on this, so it is okay by me that we disagree. I learned a lot from this actually. Thanks for the debate. ~99 Link to post Share on other sites
nadiaj2727 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I agree noforgiveness. I just don't let it bother me anymore. I'm not here that much and when I am, I just think, wow, these people involved in or defending affairs are just trying to make up for their own moral deficiencies by calling those who think that affairs are wrong "judgmental." Ooooh. There are a lot worse things to be called than that. And I know that they ARE called them. So they need to just get over it. And if they don't, that is not the problem of those of us who realize how hurtful affairs are for everyone involved, including the people IN them. There's a better way to live and if they don't see that, then that is their problem. Don't let it bug you. I am the happiest now that I have ever been in my whole life. I wish that for everyone. I have no time to call anyone anything let alone judgmental. Link to post Share on other sites
OWoman Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I am the happiest now that I have ever been in my whole life. Me too. And my posts are not riddled with self-loathing to deny my claims, either. I'm genuinely happy, as are all the others involved in, or touched by, my A, and I wish that kind of resolution for everyone - whatever the outcome of their A. And a genuine absencce of bitterness, self-loathing and denial, and the ability to embrace all that they were, are and will yet be without needing to deny, hide or denounce any of it - whether in themselves, or by projection onto others. Link to post Share on other sites
pelicanpreacher Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Me too. And my posts are not riddled with self-loathing to deny my claims, either. I'm genuinely happy, as are all the others involved in, or touched by, my A, and I wish that kind of resolution for everyone - whatever the outcome of their A. And a genuine absencce of bitterness, self-loathing and denial, and the ability to embrace all that they were, are and will yet be without needing to deny, hide or denounce any of it - whether in themselves, or by projection onto others. I'm curious OWoman, who's outlook did you emulate more growing up? Your mother's or your father's? Link to post Share on other sites
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