Morality and judgmentalness

[noforgiveness]

That's not what I said.

 

Ok if you feel so strongly about stopping child abuse what have you done lately to help pevent that?

 

What have you done lately to help prevent any of the things you feel are wrong in this world?

 

I see what you do around here, (a perfect place to show your abilities to move mountains seeing as you are so driven to make the world right) and a peventative measure is a means to reach out in the hopes of making a change, of making a difference. I don't see any of that happening so I can guess with most certainty what you will respond to my question.

 

 

:laugh::laugh:

 

another of my favorite justifying arguments. Throw it back at the person and ask what they are doing personally to stop abuse etc.:laugh: As if every person who has a belief in something has to make it their personal crusade to stop it.

 

 

So what was it you were saying but saying not to judge others for believing in child prostitution etc? Let it go it's not our business? What exactly?

[Tomcat33]

so what point was it you were trying to make with this statement?

 

 

Just as I anticipated, NOTHING from you.

 

 

I saw rolling tumbleweed and as soon as I asked the question so.....

 

Armchair reformists are a dime a dozen.

[noforgiveness]

Noforgiveness:

 

 

I'll tell what I have done to support my cause in the fight against child abuse

 

I collaborated on a documentary that took place in Bangladesh and Mexico that dealt with the abuse of children in sweatshops, and help educate the public on how they can make a difference in these countries and on what OUR involvement is in terms of how WE affect these children right here from the comfort of our own homess. I get local very well known musical artists to represent our cause.

 

I worked in Cuba with a volunteer mission.

 

I have done years of volunteer work with underpribileged kids.

 

 

What is right and what is wrong for ME does not include sitting around on my azz casting verbal abuse on other people, I move people's mind/heart with my actions.

 

That's my personal style, so I know bullshiiit when I see it.

 

:laugh: Another justification. Look at me. I'm a good person. I volunteer.

 

You just got done saying not to cast judgment on others because other countries do things differently did you not. You were okaying "prostitution as young as 11 yrs of age. And it is morally acceptable and even encouraged. The parents of these women have them prostitute themselves and see NOTHING wrong with some a some 58 yr old German sex tourist have their 11 yr old daughter. Apparently for them this is right, and you speak to those children (the girls) and they feel it is right as well." just because they don't find it wrong.

[Tomcat33]

:laugh::laugh:

 

another of my favorite justifying arguments. Throw it back at the person and ask what they are doing personally to stop abuse etc.:laugh: As if every person who has a belief in something has to make it their personal crusade to stop it.

 

 

 

 

So what ARE you doing to make a difference besides sitting on a computer betaring people with words all the time? If you are THAT passionate about making a difference and you feel THAT strongly about teaching people ofthe right and what is wrong of this worlds WHAT ARE YOU DOING to make a difference?

 

 

 

I think it is a natural question given you display such passionate convictions, the question begs to be asked.

[Dark-N-Romantic]

So if it's wrong to hurt other people. Why is it okay to try and hurt OW's feelings day in and day out?

 

Because you think you're better?

 

I really don't get it. What makes you calling someone a skank acceptable? Who are you? Really...

 

Offer your "support" and move on if it's not received. What logic makes you think a person will be receptive to your POV after you've insulted them in such a way?

 

Look up the definition of the word. Compare it to that activity.

 

Examples

 

Those who tell lies are liars.

Those who rape people are called rapist.

Those who of loose sexual morals are called whores or harlots.

[sIZE=-1]One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous. Used especially of a woman or girl.[/sIZE] This is the term for skank.

 

So, at least to the data of the married woman, her husband was seeing this woman who gave him an STD. STD's comes from one poor sexual habits and in order to have an STD one has to be doing something dirty or foul (i.e. having an affair) to bring it to someone else. Any questions?

 

 

DNR

[Tomcat33]

:laugh: Another justification. Look at me. I'm a good person. I volunteer.

 

 

 

And that is the TYPICAL argument of those who do jack to make a difference and on top of it cut up those who do. Bono gets all the slack in the world and it's usually by people who don't understand how true drive/passion of thought is intended to work for you.

 

 

You think I volunteer or do what I do to propagate my cause to gain acceptance from someone like you? You are very wrong. I do it because I feel passionately enough about what I BELIEVE in to want to make a difference. And most importantly and here is the bottom line of why we do what we do, because it FEELS GOOD.

Something to consider on what we see when see your negative actions guised as "help" around here.

[Virgo1982]

Just as I anticipated, NOTHING from you.

 

 

I saw rolling tumbleweed and as soon as I asked the question so.....

 

Armchair reformists are a dime a dozen.

 

LOL :lmao: :lmao:

I'm included. I just don't want all of that glass shattering on me.

[Tomcat33]

You think I volunteer or do what I do to propagate my cause to gain acceptance from someone like you? .

 

And let me refrase that, I do hope to reach people like you but I do not do it for personal acceptance or personal validation from people like you, I hope to steer people in the right direction not for praise to my ego.

[Virgo1982]

Look up the definition of the word. Compare it to that activity.

 

Examples

 

Those who tell lies are liars.

Those who rape people are called rapist.

Those who of loose sexual morals are called whores or harlots.

[sIZE=-1]One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous. Used especially of a woman or girl.[/sIZE] This is the term for skank.

 

So, at least to the data of the married woman, her husband was seeing this woman who gave him an STD. STD's comes from one poor sexual habits and in order to have an STD one has to be doing something dirty or foul (i.e. having an affair) to bring it to someone else. Any questions?

 

 

DNR

 

I know what skank means. It's still judgemental. That's like saying, "You are beautiful." I know you believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

[Tomcat33]

II know you believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

 

And in some cases it's in the eye of the beer holder.

 

Sometimes I need beer just to get through a thread.

[Virgo1982]

And in some cases it's in the eye of the beer holder.

 

Sometimes I need beer just to get through a thread.

 

Fighting against inevitable future betrayal.

[Tomcat33]

Fighting against inevitable future betrayal.

 

 

Sorry I didn't get that!?!?

[Virgo1982]

Sorry I didn't get that!?!?

 

Some fight because they will surely be "victims" of infidelity.

[Tomcat33]

Some fight because they will surely be "victims" of infidelity.

 

 

Ohhh yes yes yes now I get what you meant!

 

Fighting for a cause is the way of actions that motivate is ok as far as I am concerned, to sit and judge and point fingers and doing solely that, it is what it is, and yes that is the the finest display of fear that turns into a self fulfilled prophecy.

[Virgo1982]

Ohhh yes yes yes now I get what you meant!

 

Fighting for a cause is the way of actions that motivate is ok as far as I am concerned, to sit and judge and point fingers and doing solely that, it is what it is, and yes that is the the finest display of fear that turns into a self fulfilled prophecy.

 

I like it.

[OWoman]

Its funny how people drop to name calling (with things not relevant to the discussion), twisting what someone says with the hope of them tripping up, or even knit picking at little things like grammar without taking in the full context of the words. This is when one knows they have run out of anything useful to say.

 

 

DNR

 

Like "skank"??

 

or like:

 

Nothing more intelligent to add?

[Virgo1982]

Like "skank"??

 

or like:

 

Yup......................

[Terminator]

And in some cases it's in the eye of the beer holder.

 

Sometimes I need beer just to get through a thread.

 

Some threads require A beer - others would require a KEG

[Tomcat33]

Some threads require A beer - others would require a KEG

 

:lmao:

 

 

And some a small German town, because we all know how much the Germans love their beer.

[Terminator]

I know what skank means. It's still judgemental. That's like saying, "You are beautiful." I know you believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

 

I thought he said skink

 

I was wondering why he would call someone a small lizard

 

<--- goes to find reading glasses

[Tomcat33]

I thought he said skink

 

I was wondering why he would call someone a small lizard

 

<--- goes to find reading glasses

 

"Can't get the skank off......

you do it to yourself you do

and that's what really hurts"

 

I love that RadioHead song!

[OWoman]

I was wondering why he would call someone a small lizard

 

Size matters, so perhaps he was feeling insecure and wanting to prop up a fragile ego?

[Agent_99]

Did you have a dday or did the affair stay hidden?

 

What does this have to so with the subjext of judgementalism? But I will answer anyway. There was a dday and it was because I told the BS.

 

If the land does, and more people than not accepted affairs, then worldly they would not be wrong. But, my laws that I follow (meaning my religious laws), tell me it is wrong and I should not do it nor support anyone who is doing it. My religion denies me the practice of doing what is morally and ethically wrong when it concerns hurting others (which does NOT mean I don't state truths because others don't like them).

 

but that's part of what I'm saying. Your arguement, part of the support of your arguement was that it isn't socially acceptable and so that makes it wrong. I was just pointing out that socialy acceptable or not has nothing to do with a each persons personal evaluation.

 

Now look at you all today. Many more women are making more money than their male counterparts. There are women who do the sports on t.v. news broadcasts. There are female combat military members and commanders. We had a female run for the highest office in the nation. Why? Because what was once thought socially okay was found out to be wrong. And thus, through people fighting and discussing, and even dying for these beliefs, look how our women shine today... At least here in America (there are women who shine all over the world).

 

Yes once again I am agreeing with you. At this we are both arguing the same point, social acceptance does not mean that something is alright. So social acceptance is NOT a good arguement in this thread.

 

If your saying what I think your saying in part to of your statement. I should start supporting us NOT judging pedophiles. I should start a decision to stop society from judging rapists, murderers, abusers, thieves, drug addicts, liars, and the like as wrong. I mean they know what they are doing is wrong to themselves and/or others. Many feel they have the absolute right to take what they want from this world and not seen as criminal... How would you feel if we took away the sex offender registry? Isn't that a tool of judging one by his or her past and in an undertone used to inspire fear of that person that move into our neighborhoods?

 

That isn't what I am saying at all. I'm not always good at communicating clearly my intenet, so I will clarify. What I am trying to say is that EVERYONE makes judgements on all these things.

 

ALL OF THESE ACTS HURT PEOPLE!!! There is no judgment in that. And this is what is being addressed.

 

Look up the word judgement.

 

If your right about your last statement. Then, we ALL are judgmental the moment we state anything positive or negative to someone. And if you claim that judgments should not be made in such things as adultery. Then, no one should pat anyone on the back for doing great in school. We should not have jurors and judges. We should not have laws and vows for they give us a guideline on which to judge others. We should not have the news and books that makes one question and measure and judge their actions against their intents. So, what is your suggestion if everything you say is judgmental?

 

As to the bolded part, yes that IS EXACTLY what I am saying. I'm not claiming that judgements shouldn't be made, it is inevitable. The point I am trying to make is that the way that someone conveys their judgements is what is percieved as negative, critical, harsh, supporting, compassionate.

 

You can disagree with someone and still have compassion for their humanness. Or you can disagree with someone and have no understanding whatsoever.

 

~99

Who is trying to be clear with her points to this debate.

[OWoman]

I was wondering why he would call someone a small lizard

 

... or maybe it's to do with the way lizards drop their tails when they're cornered, leaving the predator to pounce on the wriggling tail while the rest of the lizard runs away to live another day (even smaller, with no tail)? Isn't that the kind of strategy some posters here employ, creating diversions to distract from the fact that their posts have no substance or are logically flawed or internally contradictory?

[OWoman]

I was wondering why he would call someone a small lizard

 

....or maybe it's the skin-shedding thing?