Arise_Serpentor Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Anyone believe in reincarnation? I don't think I do. What would be the point of forgetting everything you learned and doing it over again? to me, its like learning how to bake a cake, but screwing it up, then erasing your memory and doing it over again? Plus, there are more people around than ever! Are more souls being created AND recycled? Link to post Share on other sites
Ronni_W Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I just read someplace that the "more souls around" thing may be, er, manifesting due to whatever 2012 will be about. Some people say that past life regression images/insights are just another tool that the subconscious uses, like dreams. In any case, I guess they work like that whether or not we actually had a 3D experience in the period of our regression images. The theory goes that whatever we actually learned (and took on as a core belief) is not 'forgotten' but becomes part of our "next" life's innate strengths and talents. Actually, I don't think I do or don't believe in reincarnation. I do believe that a regression experience can help one gain clarity in this life, and that's good enough for me . Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 It's a nice enough idea, whether it's true or not. We reintegrate into the world at large upon death, and the cycle repeats itself. I am made up of everything and everyone that has ever been, and I in turn shall be present in everybody thereafter. This concept is very cool. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
marlena Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 It's a nice enough idea, whether it's true or not. We reintegrate into the world at large upon death, and the cycle repeats itself. I am made up of everything and everyone that has ever been, and I in turn shall be present in everybody thereafter. This concept is very cool. Yes, it sure beats the man-in-the white-beard and the club-footed-tailed fork- holding demon theory. I'd like to think that like every thing else in nature, we die in winter and are reborn in spring. Link to post Share on other sites
LucreziaBorgia Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I believe in reincarnation. Now, that said - I don't think that personalities or people can be reincarnated - such as "I was Cleopatra in a past life" or anything like that. I think that the part of you that makes you "you" can be recycled and may end up incorporated into another person's or several people's energy makeup. I have had dreams of things I've never experienced, places I've never been, memories that absolutely could not be from my past, etc. Perhaps they are echos of past people? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. I like to think of dying as a transition rather than a finite path based on a reward/punishment model. I am not a big fan of Sylvia Browne, but her ideas of the afterlife are interesting. I like the idea of going to a different plane of existence and doing some further things (a la Jacob's Ladder) - perhaps revisiting this world in some form or other. I often "visit" my grandmother in my dreams - always during lucid dreaming, and she died more than a decade ago. I guess my idea takes the 'afterlife' theory a bit further in that when you are 'finished' with what you want to accomplish, the energy that makes you "you" is dissipated and will become part of a collective of energy for reuse. Bunk? Total crap? Maybe, maybe not but it works for me. Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I think that the part of you that makes you "you" can be recycled and may end up incorporated into another person's or several people's energy makeup I believe this too. Link to post Share on other sites
FleshNBones Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Anyone believe in reincarnation? I don't think I do. What would be the point of forgetting everything you learned and doing it over again? to me, its like learning how to bake a cake, but screwing it up, then erasing your memory and doing it over again? Plus, there are more people around than ever! Are more souls being created AND recycled?I don't believe in reincarnation. Gaining memories, and then losing them makes the whole reincarnation process futile. I think souls are immutable. They can grow, but they can't be chopped up. Link to post Share on other sites
FleshNBones Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I don't see why sould need to be created on the fly, or recycled. If everything in the universe was created at the same time, I can see the required number of souls being created at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites
nleeh Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 If reincarnation is true I'd like a sensible reason why there are more people alive than in the past. With the population ever increasing, where do those souls come from! Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 The only reincarnation I believe is Jesus Christ. Heavenly Father put his Holy Spirit in him, Lord died but rised up again, so I don't know if reincarnation is a right word for this. And most exciting things is that Lord sends Holy Spirit to his believers, and working in us. whoever has Holy Spirit in them, they could not conform to the world anymore, they should change to be more like Lord Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 The only reincarnation I believe is Jesus Christ. Heavenly Father put his Holy Spirit in him, Jesus Lord died and rised up again, so I don't know if reincarnation is a right word for this. The most exciting thing is that Lord sends Holy Spirit to whoever believe in Him, and working in us. So whoever has Holy Spirit in them would experience changes for betterness, and won't conform to this world anymore. some still do not have Holy Spirit, either they don't obey Lord's commandments, or they don't believe in lord and his every word in the bottom of heart. Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 sorry, didn't know how come up two posts Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 If reincarnation is true I'd like a sensible reason why there are more people alive than in the past. With the population ever increasing, where do those souls come from! Why do the number of souls need to remain at a constant in order to be considered sensible? Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Sks Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 If reincarnation is true I'd like a sensible reason why there are more people alive than in the past. With the population ever increasing, where do those souls come from! The number of humans is increasing, but the number of animals is decreasing maybe animal souls are devolving? Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 ok, I found that word, it is "incarnation" Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Anyone believe in reincarnation? I don't think I do. What would be the point of forgetting everything you learned and doing it over again? The only reason I can see for the belief in reincarnation relates to the very understandable human desire to be immortal. I think the belief can be used in a positive way. For instance, someone who wants to escape from mistakes they've made in life and associated feelings of shame might see suicide as an option. Beliefs relating to reincarnation hold that the person who chooses to end their own life in order to avoid facing up to the tribulations life offers will have to re-experience, in a future life, everything that led to them wanting to commit suicide in the previous one(s). So to break the pattern, they must face up to their problems in this life. Deal with whatever feelings of shame, bitterness or self loathing they have - in order to avoid carrying all that with them into a future life. I think it's an interesting notion. Like a fairytale that needn't be taken literally, but that contains some useful lessons. For instance, seeing your own life as a series of phases - each one ending in some sense of "death" before the next phase can begin. Doing what you can to resolve (rather than simply run away from or deny), inner conflicts, anger, shame and the other internal problems that can make a person continue repeating the same mistakes over and over through the course of their life. Karma: If you behave vindictively towards another person, it speaks of your own inner unhappiness, vengefulness and anger. Feelings that can help you achieve victory in pointless conflicts, but at a high cost to your own psyche. The spiteful vanity that comes with petty victories over others encourages entrenchment in poisonous thoughts and motives with which a person kills their own spirit and potential. I don't think a person need believe in reincarnation and all kinds of hocus pocus to take some lessons from these beliefs....provided the belief system helps them to bloom, instead of destroying them with the feelings of unworthiness that religion sometimes seems to instill in people. Link to post Share on other sites
Ronni_W Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 ok, I found that word, it is "incarnation" Yes. 'incarnation' is what we're doing now -- the conscious knowledge of being in a 3D body. REincarnation is used to express the belief that this is not the only incarnation. Sort of, the "next time" I show up as a 3D human on Planet Earth, that'll be 'current me' REincarnated (but that'll also be my 'new' incarnation.) And, I've heard life-between-lives also referred to as being "disincarnate" -- when we are in our non-physical, or energetic, or "soul" form. Just words, I guess, to help describe the various states that necessarily go with beliefs about reincarnation. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Arise_Serpentor Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Wow! All pretty interesting! I was thinking if all the souls were created at the same time, that's a lot of waiting around for souls when the population is low! Link to post Share on other sites
Ronni_W Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 ...if all the souls were created at the same time, that's a lot of waiting around for souls when the population is low! Well, that gets one to wondering about all the other nooks and crannies of the Universe, where souls might also be incarnating and reincarnating. Most of us just assume that Earth is the only spot but... Link to post Share on other sites
nleeh Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 disgracian said Why do the number of souls need to remain at a constant in order to be considered sensible? If you believe in reincarnation, please explain why the number of souls do not need to remain at a constant in order to be considered sensible. nleeh Link to post Share on other sites
Author Arise_Serpentor Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Well, that gets one to wondering about all the other nooks and crannies of the Universe, where souls might also be incarnating and reincarnating. Most of us just assume that Earth is the only spot but... Yep! That's a thought! Because even the Earth and Sun will die eventually! Link to post Share on other sites
Ronni_W Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 ...even the Earth and Sun will die eventually! Personally, I can't WAIT to reincarnate as a Martian...even though I may not then remember that it was a wish in this incarnation. Oh, hey...what if I've ALREADY been a Martian??? Link to post Share on other sites
FleshNBones Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Wow! All pretty interesting! I was thinking if all the souls were created at the same time, that's a lot of waiting around for souls when the population is low!Is a soul bound by space and time? I think modern spiritualists would say souls aren't waiting around. Link to post Share on other sites
nleeh Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Well, that gets one to wondering about all the other nooks and crannies of the Universe, where souls might also be incarnating and reincarnating. Most of us just assume that Earth is the only spot but... So are some saying that all souls were created in the beginning and some come to earth and others go elsewhere in the universe or does anyone believe souls are constantly being created? Link to post Share on other sites
LucreziaBorgia Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I see souls as energy that gets reshuffled and redistributed with every birth and death throughout the universe, rather than discreet packets of "personality" that pass on whole. Perhaps some parts are not recycled, and stick around in the form of what people would call 'ghosts'? Not sure. Its pretty interesting to think about at any rate. Link to post Share on other sites
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