Why does she keep snooping??? Porn and other woman

[morelaugh]

This thread simply refuses to die.

Perhaps there is a reason for that…

 

I am a married woman of 20 years and I must say it seems that your wife may not be givin you what you need. My hubby looks at porn and sometimes I look with him. I have gone to strip clubs with him and enjoy what he enjoys. I am secure with my husband and try to give him what he needs to keep him happy instead of trying to Mommy him.

 

She may be the reason you found OM attractive. Your outlet you had has been taken away. Is she takin care of you in the bedroom and keeping your sex life spiced up if not that will cause these problems as well.

 

Talk to her tell her what you need from her that you are not getting. There is more to this then maybe you even are realizing.

 

Sure, just tell her what YOU NEED FROM HER. She doesn’t have needs; she is only there to make YOU happy.

SHE should be taking care of you…

 

Loving Wife, you enjoy what he enjoys in a strip club??

I will believe it when someone shows me a heterosexual man who enjoys looking at other naked men.

[Jersey Shortie]

I haven't looked at this thread in a while, but I just read the most recent page, saw this, and laughed my butt off. I don't know why exactly, but the thought really cracks me up. I don't even like porn, but I kinda wanna see this one. lol

 

 

You will be waiting a long time if your holding out for it. Men would never go for an industry that called men derogatory names in their titles for female pleasure. And you know what, I don't think the majority of women overly enjoy seeing men belittled like that either. Too bad most men can't claim the same. How many guys here have watched one porno or another that refered to women in a derogatory negative way? Honest and fair question guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am secure with my husband and try to give him what he needs to keep him happy instead of trying to Mommy him.

 

Who here is trying to Mommy men? Or are you trying to make the point that not liking porn in a relationship means the woman is trying to be Mommy? Get real.

 

I am secure enough with myself to know that I don't need porn in the relationship to "spice" it up and still be able to give my guy what he needs.

[Mr. Lucky]

I am secure enough with myself to know that I don't need porn in the relationship to "spice" it up and still be able to give my guy what he needs.

Then why do you think that the men that you've been in relationships with have looked at porn? By the way, I'm willing to agree that it has nothing to do with nor it is a reflection on you...

 

Mr. Lucky

[Jersey Shortie]

I'll start answering your questions when you start answering mine.

[sxyNYCcpl]

I'll start answering your questions when you start answering mine.

 

I gave you a list of 22 items to respond to, and you completely ignored it. Pot, meet kettle.

[Jersey Shortie]

Wrong. I answered your questions. You are just unhappy with the answers I gave you.

[sxyNYCcpl]

Wrong. I answered your questions. You are just unhappy with the answers I gave you.

 

No, you didn't. You didn't even acknowledge that you noticed them. To save you the work, here's a direct copy and paste, perhaps it was an innocent mistake on your part and you overlooked them. Let me be clear that for every question here, assume every person involved, even hypothetically, is a consenting adult, be they participants, observers, or other.

 

Repost:

This has been a recurring theme with you, but you've never defined it. So let's make a list of sexual activities, you let us know if they're "pornstar fantasy" or "real world".

 

1- PIV sex, missionary postion.

2- PIV sex, reverse cowgirl position.

3- PIV sex, girl bent over the kitchen counter.

4- PIV sex in a technically public location, but one that's secluded enough that discovery is unlikely.

5- Sex is a public location where you're likely or certain to get caught, but where the activity is acceptable (such as a swingers club). Answer this one assuming only the two primary partners are participating.

6- Oral sex

7- Oral sex to completion

8- Oral sex with a facial

9- Anal sex

10- Voyeurism (i.e. watching others)

11- Exhibitionism (i.e. others watching you)

12- Sex with 3 or more participants

13- Taking erotic photos, but w/o a sexual component (e.g. model-type lingerie or nudes)

14- Taking erotic photos with a sexual component

15- Videotaping sex

16- Sharing the results of 13, 14, or 15 with friends

17- Going to nude beaches (though not technically sexual)

18- Flashing strangers (e.g. Mardi Gras on Burbon St)

19- Spanking

20- Pulling hair

21- Using sex toys solo

22- Using sex toys together

 

That should be enough for us to understand your positions.

[Jersey Shortie]

You fail to recongnize all the times you avoided and dodged questions. Much like Mr. Lucky does. Although, I find quite a few men avoid and dodge a valid questoin when they know it has some backing.

 

 

As for your list, it's completely ridiculous and pointless. What exactly do we accomplish by me going point by point for each sexual act you listed? Are there sexual acts performed in porn that happen in real life? No doubt. Duh! Do I still think that porn creates an unrealistic fantasy world of expectations placed heavily on female shoulders to live up to? Yes! Do i think two people banging in a porn movie is remotely close to two people banging who care about each other? NO! Just because there are sexual acts performed in porn that can be preformed in the real world, doesn't make the unrealistic fantasy of porn any less obvious.

[Mr. Lucky]

I'll start answering your questions when you start answering mine.

Here's the last question you asked:

How many guys here have watched one porno or another that refered to women in a derogatory negative way? Honest and fair question guys.

This question, like most you ask, pre-supposes the answer based on your already established position. It's a "When did you stop beating your wife?" question because it establishes your opinion that porn is negative and derogatory. We all get how you feel, Jersey, you've made plenty of posts on the matter. If you want answers to your questions, try phrasing them in a way that solicts the opinions of other rather than reinforcing yours. JMHO...

 

Mr. Lucky

[Ruby Slippers]

You will be waiting a long time if your holding out for it. Men would never go for an industry that called men derogatory names in their titles for female pleasure.

Lighten up. It was funny. It was your joke. But I guess you weren't joking.

 

Actually, I think most men presented with something like "Dumb Jocks with Big Cocks" wouldn't take it too personally. But that's because there aren't myriad categories of man-degrading porn -- except for the submissive BDSM guys.

 

(I would still much rather see "Landscaper Jerks". lol)

[Jersey Shortie]

This question, like most you ask, pre-supposes the answer based on your already established position. It's a "When did you stop beating your wife?" question because it establishes your opinion that porn is negative and derogatory. We all get how you feel, Jersey, you've made plenty of posts on the matter. If you want answers to your questions, try phrasing them in a way that solicts the opinions of other rather than reinforcing yours. JMHO...

 

Mr. Lucky

 

There is quite a bit of porn out there that refers to women in a derogatory way. How is it somehow*wrong* to ask how many men do or have and enjoyed a porn that refered to women as four letter words or appeared to be using her for a mans' own gratification in the movie? Come on, there is a significant amount of porn out there that does that and I think it's fair to ask how many view that type of porn.

 

I am open to other suggestions though, how many movies do you see that refer to women in nice terms? And please share with me what those titles have been? How many movies have you seen that have treated women with respect? And please share what those movies have been so that maybe I can go out and rent it. Is that question better worded for you?

 

Your issue isn't the question, it's the fact that you know there is a certain amount of truth in the question.

 

How many men out there watch porn that in some way, does infact degrade women. I think it's a fair question. Unless you really believe Mr. Lucky that most men are only viewing porn that has the upmost respect and kindness towards women. Please, I would love to see that I was wrong here. Please prove me wrong.

 

 

 

Lighten up. It was funny. It was your joke. But I guess you weren't joking.

 

 

I was joking and it is funny. But it also makes a valid point. Could you imagine women having an entertainment industry equal to what men have in porn? And refering to men in negative degrading names to please a woman? It seems funny but if it was the truth of what was going on, I doubt most men would be laughing. Who really wants to be called names by the opposite sex and thought of as less?

[Ruby Slippers]

I was joking and it is funny. But it also makes a valid point. Could you imagine women having an entertainment industry equal to what men have in porn? And refering to men in negative degrading names to please a woman? It seems funny but if it was the truth of what was going on, I doubt most men would be laughing. Who really wants to be called names by the opposite sex and thought of as less?

I am sure that dominant women would enjoy some male humiliation. The reasons for pejorative names and activities directed at women in porn (and in life) are numerous (revenge, assertion of power, madonna/whore complex, the taboo, male insecurity, sexism, etc.). I am sure some men with issues get off on seeing women degraded and humiliated, but I would bet that most of them could do without all that.

 

I've only talked to a couple of men in detail about their tastes, but they both said it was pretty simple for them. One was like "boobs!"; the other was like "sex!" They didn't think much further than that, according to them, and one of them even addressed his distaste for all the fakey parts of it -- implants, makeup, stupid shoes, spitting, name calling, etc. He told me that he specifically avoided anything but amateur porn, real people having sex, and he had a problem with women being called names. (This was my recent ex.) He even got on my case once when I jokingly said, "Well, you know, I'm slutty," saying, "You're not a slut because you love sex -- you just love sex!" It was cute.

[Jersey Shortie]

I am sure that dominant women would enjoy some male humiliation

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How much of that and how easily do you see that compared to porn that humilates and degrades women though.

 

The reasons for pejorative names and activities directed at women in porn (and in life) are numerous (revenge, assertion of power, madonna/whore complex, the taboo, male insecurity, sexism, etc.). I am sure some men with issues get off on seeing women degraded and humiliated, but I would bet that most of them could do without all that.

 

How many pornos do infact refer to a woman in a derogatroy manner then don't? Most guys aren't sitting there looking at one Playboy mag and then putting it down. Alot of guys are viewing hardcore porn. How much porn does infact treat women in a derogatory way then not? Porn is the way it is because that is what men want to see and want to see women treated that way. In many cases.

 

I've only talked to a couple of men in detail about their tastes, but they both said it was pretty simple for them. One was like "boobs!"; the other was like "sex!" They didn't think much further than that, according to them, and one of them even addressed his distaste for all the fakey parts of it -- implants, makeup, stupid shoes, spitting, name calling, etc. He told me that he specifically avoided anything but amateur porn, real people having sex, and he had a problem with women being called names. (This was my recent ex.) He even got on my case once when I jokingly said, "Well, you know, I'm slutty," saying, "You're not a slut because you love sex -- you just love sex!" It was cute.

 

Implants, make up stupid shoes, spitting, name calling are in porn for a reason. Because many men obviously find it sexually arrousing to see a woman treated as such.

 

I understand men like boobs and naked women. I don't think it's an excuse for why men continue to show more lotatly to their porn over anything else.

[Mr. Lucky]

I am open to other suggestions though, how many movies do you see that refer to women in nice terms? And please share with me what those titles have been? How many movies have you seen that have treated women with respect? And please share what those movies have been so that maybe I can go out and rent it. Is that question better worded for you?

 

Your issue isn't the question, it's the fact that you know there is a certain amount of truth in the question.

 

How many men out there watch porn that in some way, does infact degrade women. I think it's a fair question. Unless you really believe Mr. Lucky that most men are only viewing porn that has the upmost respect and kindness towards women. Please, I would love to see that I was wrong here. Please prove me wrong.

I can't name you any titles Jersey since I don't think I've ever watched a porn movie all the way through or been motivated to remember the specifics. The porn that my wife and I watch on occasion tends to be good-looking real people having sex in fairly normal and boring ways. I will agree that there's all kinds of porn. But also, like any other form of media catering to fantasy - science fiction and action movies also come to mind - there's not a lot of reality in much of it. That you would emphasise the real world impact of a fantasy continues to baffle me. I don't think that there are a lot of women out there that would want, in real life, to take on 3 men sexually at once and I doubt that there are many men that would want, in real life, to be 1 of the 3 with that woman. Much like Bruce Willis defeating a dozen machine-gun toting terrorists all by himself, it's a fantasy.

 

Is your issue mainly with "respect and kindness"? You'd be okay with your BF jerking off to porn if the movies showed strong female lead characters that had their every whim and need catered to ???

 

Mr. Lucky

[a4a]

I can't name you any titles Jersey since I don't think I've ever watched a porn movie all the way through or been motivated to remember the specifics. The porn that my wife and I watch on occasion tends to be good-looking real people having sex in fairly normal and boring ways. I will agree that there's all kinds of porn. But also, like any other form of media catering to fantasy - science fiction and action movies also come to mind - there's not a lot of reality in much of it. That you would emphasise the real world impact of a fantasy continues to baffle me. I don't think that there are a lot of women out there that would want, in real life, to take on 3 men sexually at once and I doubt that there are many men that would want, in real life, to be 1 of the 3 with that woman. Much like Bruce Willis defeating a dozen machine-gun toting terrorists all by himself, it's a fantasy.

 

Is your issue mainly with "respect and kindness"? You'd be okay with your BF jerking off to porn if the movies showed strong female lead characters that had their every whim and need catered to ???

 

Mr. Lucky

 

Mr. Lucky........ I know quite a few women who would like that! They just won't admit it because they are "bad" if they do!

 

Some women even enjoy the forced sex porn...

 

Shortie they have some 3 way porn where a virgin butt dude gets it up the wazoo by another guy...... that is degrading to most men.... I think?? I dig it!

[Mr. Lucky]

Mr. Lucky........ I know quite a few women who would like that! They just won't admit it because they are "bad" if they do!

 

Some women even enjoy the forced sex porn...

 

Shortie they have some 3 way porn where a virgin butt dude gets it up the wazoo by another guy...... that is degrading to most men.... I think?? I dig it!

Out there in Taintville a4a, you're the exception to the rule ...

 

Mr. Lucky

[a4a]

Out there in Taintville a4a, you're the exception to the rule ...

 

Mr. Lucky

 

Not really....... you are not included in the "girl" conversations women have...... they are secret........ shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

 

Most women would like to try a 2sie or a 3sie...... even if it was just one time.

 

Mrs. Lucky is just not telling you! ....... doesn't want to hurt your ego.

[Mr. Lucky]

Mrs. Lucky is just not telling you! ....... doesn't want to hurt your ego.

Probably true. Knowing its fragile and easily bruised nature, Mrs. Lucky goes easy on my ego ....

 

Mr. Lucky

[c-riouz]

I laughed about the "Landscaper jerks" too. Hilarious. Some men degrading porn would probably be where women tease the man and pretend to want to have sex with them while using them for their wallets only - and then just laugh at them and leave them laying on the bed with a hard-on, mocking them for thinking they'd actually had a chance with them. "Cash cows getting milked hard Part 3: see how dumb losers get what they deserve" would probably be an appropriate title and just the equivalent to all those "nice" porn movie titles out there referring to us as sluts, whores and bitches with nothing more than three holes and two hands. Yeah, something like that. I wonder how men would like that - and how they would like it if women watched that kind of stuff all the time - and then slowly letting a similar behavior take over to real life.

 

Or, to use a more graphic example: we women would start to watch porn from now on where the women does the guy with a huge strap-on, and wow, what a turn on. She wants to try it on you because, well, "I saw it in porn! What do you mean, you don't want to try it? Why are so damn prude and insecure?" Yeah, yeah, with a taste of your own medicine it's something totally different all of a sudden......right.

[sxyNYCcpl]

You fail to recongnize all the times you avoided and dodged questions. Much like Mr. Lucky does. Although, I find quite a few men avoid and dodge a valid questoin when they know it has some backing.

 

I have never knowingly dodged a question, though clearly I can't always address every single point. However, if there's something important that you think I avoided, do ask again, I'll be happy to answer

 

What exactly do we accomplish by me going point by point for each sexual act you listed?

 

You have said time after time after time that one of the things you object to about porn is the "fact" that it causes men to have unrealistic expectations about what sexual acts are appropriate and realistic, and which ones are unrealistic "fantasies". Perhaps that's true, and perhaps it ain't, but you've never to my knowledge defined what acts are common in porn that you find so offensive in reality, and I think that matters.

 

Do I still think that porn creates an unrealistic fantasy world of expectations placed heavily on female shoulders to live up to? Yes!

 

See? There you go again. What expectations are you referring to?

[annieo]

Or, to use a more graphic example: we women would start to watch porn from now on where the women does the guy with a huge strap-on, and wow, what a turn on. She wants to try it on you because, well, "I saw it in porn! What do you mean, you don't want to try it? Why are so damn prude and insecure?" Yeah, yeah, with a taste of your own medicine it's something totally different all of a sudden......right.

 

This would only work if your partner isn't into strap on porn/strap on in rl. Some are, I know.

[Jersey Shortie]

I laughed about the "Landscaper jerks" too. Hilarious. Some men degrading porn would probably be where women tease the man and pretend to want to have sex with them while using them for their wallets only - and then just laugh at them and leave them laying on the bed with a hard-on, mocking them for thinking they'd actually had a chance with them. "Cash cows getting milked hard Part 3: see how dumb losers get what they deserve" would probably be an appropriate title and just the equivalent to all those "nice" porn movie titles out there referring to us as sluts, whores and bitches with nothing more than three holes and two hands. Yeah, something like that. I wonder how men would like that - and how they would like it if women watched that kind of stuff all the time - and then slowly letting a similar behavior take over to real life.

 

Or, to use a more graphic example: we women would start to watch porn from now on where the women does the guy with a huge strap-on, and wow, what a turn on. She wants to try it on you because, well, "I saw it in porn! What do you mean, you don't want to try it? Why are so damn prude and insecure?" Yeah, yeah, with a taste of your own medicine it's something totally different all of a sudden......right.

 

I completely agree. I don't think men would be so benevolvent if it was them being humilated and degraded and disrespected.

 

Yet, alot of men will be damned before they admit that porn is infact degrading to women. They just think it. I really don't know one man that doesn't see the degradation and disrespect for women in porn. THey just don't care. The message: Women are worthless.

 

Could you imagine, taking your strap on comments further, asking a man to be able to do him with a strap on and then wanting to stick that stap on in *HIS* mouth. Since alot of men seem to have an intersted in ATM, they would like that right?

 

Its frustrating. I love men. I love alot about them. But when you see them promote and use a medium that is more often degrading to women, then not. It makes you really question any faith you can have that men truly want to treat women right. The things today that men expect/want in the bedroom have been heavily porn influenced. Women are just the sl*t, b*tches, and wh*res that alot of men want to label them. What do you mean you don't want it in your butt hunnie? All the porn stars do it, don't be such a prude! What do you mean you don't want my butt covered penis in your mouth? It's hot and all the pornstars do it! What do you mean you don't want me to shove my penis so far down your mouth your gag relax acts up? I like it! It's about my pleasure itsn't ?

 

Please tell me what is suppose to be pleasureable for a woman to have any one of those acts performed on her?

[soserious1]

I completely agree. I don't think men would be so benevolvent if it was them being humilated and degraded and disrespected.

 

Yet, alot of men will be damned before they admit that porn is infact degrading to women. They just think it. I really don't know one man that doesn't see the degradation and disrespect for women in porn. THey just don't care. The message: Women are worthless.

 

Could you imagine, taking your strap on comments further, asking a man to be able to do him with a strap on and then wanting to stick that stap on in *HIS* mouth. Since alot of men seem to have an intersted in ATM, they would like that right?

 

Its frustrating. I love men. I love alot about them. But when you see them promote and use a medium that is more often degrading to women, then not. It makes you really question any faith you can have that men truly want to treat women right. The things today that men expect/want in the bedroom have been heavily porn influenced. Women are just the sl*t, b*tches, and wh*res that alot of men want to label them. What do you mean you don't want it in your butt hunnie? All the porn stars do it, don't be such a prude! What do you mean you don't want my butt covered penis in your mouth? It's hot and all the pornstars do it! What do you mean you don't want me to shove my penis so far down your mouth your gag relax acts up? I like it! It's about my pleasure itsn't ?

 

Please tell me what is suppose to be pleasureable for a woman to have any one of those acts performed on her?

 

 

Hey, the Dirty Sanchez is all the rage. Jersey, the only thing that's out is monogamy, expecting somebody to be faithful to you and only you is fruitless, fool hardy and out and out cruel. We're not hard wired to be monogamous for roughly more than 4 yrs.. the time to takes to start a pregnancy and get the infant thru the toddler years.