Let's turn the whole porn thing around

[c-riouz]

I guarantee you no matter how attractive and great you are, if you're boyfriend sees a beautiful women, he will have sexual thoughts about her, no matter how in love he is and how sexually satisfied he is with you. Those kinds of thoughts are involuntary. If you are looking for a man that doesn't have those thoughts he doesn't exist.

Disheartening, but okay. I'd just like to know what exactly makes you so sure that every man is the same in regards to that aspect? This is not supposed to be a rhetoric or sarcastic question; I'm seriously wondering because I doubt you have accessed the minds of all men on this planet. So this must mean it's a universally applicable law among an entire gender then. Again, what makes you so sure? That would be like me saying, "all women are into shopping, shoes and romance novels", or "all women respond with motherly feelings when they see a baby" or even better (because related to the underlying "biological law" of your original statement) "all women will drool when they see a muscular stud-like hunk with a huge bank account" (because he represents the biologically and evolutionary perfect ancient mix of good genes and caretaking qualities). Which I don't find to be true. But maybe I am just the exception...or maybe women are just more evolved? So yeah....elaborate, please.

[Lovelybird]

BTW, I would never get into a serious relationship with a woman that was completely against porn. I will always tell the truth if a woman asks me if I use porn.

good...............

[Lovelybird]

Disheartening, but okay. I'd just like to know what exactly makes you so sure that every man is the same in regards to that aspect? This is not supposed to be a rhetoric or sarcastic question; I'm seriously wondering because I doubt you have accessed the minds of all men on this planet. So this must mean it's a universally applicable law among an entire gender then. Again, what makes you so sure? That would be like me saying, "all women are into shopping, shoes and romance novels", or "all women respond with motherly feelings when they see a baby" or even better (because related to the underlying "biological law" of your original statement) "all women will drool when they see a muscular stud-like hunk with a huge bank account" (because he represents the biologically and evolutionary perfect ancient mix of good genes and caretaking qualities). Which I don't find to be true. But maybe I am just the exception...or maybe women are just more evolved? So yeah....elaborate, please.

I agree with you, not all men watch porns, in fact, 100% won't watch porn when there wasn't a tv and internet, and they didn't die because of that , porn is a newly developed "trend" based on devouring the weakness in man

[Mr. Lucky]

Again, I don't mind masturbation (because often in many of the countless threads about porn here on LS masturbation and porn are lumped together when other posters justify porn use), it's just the porn that bothers me.

Do you really think that any guy would be interested as to whether or not you grant approval of the images in his head while he whacks off ??? And honestly, would you want a man that felt he needed your permission? Sheesh...

 

Mr. Lucky

[Lovelybird]

Do you really think that any guy would be interested as to whether or not you grant approval of the images in his head while he whacks off ??? And honestly, would you want a man that felt he needed your permission? Sheesh...

 

Mr. Lucky

of course no control here.

 

Do you love your wife picturing another man when you make love to her? she purposely close her eyes, and murmur his name, do you love that? It is a two way street

[fral945]

Disheartening, but okay. I'd just like to know what exactly makes you so sure that every man is the same in regards to that aspect? This is not supposed to be a rhetoric or sarcastic question; I'm seriously wondering because I doubt you have accessed the minds of all men on this planet. So this must mean it's a universally applicable law among an entire gender then. Again, what makes you so sure? That would be like me saying, "all women are into shopping, shoes and romance novels", or "all women respond with motherly feelings when they see a baby" or even better (because related to the underlying "biological law" of your original statement) "all women will drool when they see a muscular stud-like hunk with a huge bank account" (because he represents the biologically and evolutionary perfect ancient mix of good genes and caretaking qualities). Which I don't find to be true. But maybe I am just the exception...or maybe women are just more evolved? So yeah....elaborate, please.

 

I don't want to get into a semantics argument, but these are generalizations, as with all generalizations there are exceptions to every rule. So not all women like shopping, soap operas, and romance novels. Does that mean I can't say they do (in general)?

 

It's a good general rule. I am a male and I've been around males all my life. I have male friends, brothers, uncles, co-workers, and I've observed how they act throughout my life. Some are more vocal than others, but almost every single one of them views women in that way. They talk about and ogle attractive women even if they are married or in relationships, good or bad. It's obvious they have sexual thoughts about attractive women just as I do. I remember my 70 something year old, happily married grandfather actually feel and broke some bones a few years ago at the bank. He later admitted it was because he was gawking at a beautiful young women and tripped over a car parking bumper.

 

You really don't have to take my word for it. Ask men around here. Ask men you know. Take a survey on this board. I think you might get some less than honest answers from men that don't want to hurt your feelings, but if they are honest you'll find most agree with my viewpoint.

 

I'm not trying to depress you, just give you an accurate view of how men think.

[Lovelybird]

It is big difference between "attracted to opposite sex" , and "diligently watch porn and lust after others women". the difference is like between "seeing a cake", and "sitting in cake shop whole day long, and only eat cakes"

 

very different !

[Mr. Lucky]

of course no control here.

 

Do you love your wife picturing another man when you make love to her? she purposely close her eyes, and murmur his name, do you love that? It is a two way street

I have enough faith in my wife (and in myself) to give her the freedom to exercise her own sexuality. I'm just grateful that she's allowed me to tag along .

 

Mr. Lucky

[fral945]

Do you really think that any guy would be interested as to whether or not you grant approval of the images in his head while he whacks off ??? And honestly, would you want a man that felt he needed your permission? Sheesh...

 

Mr. Lucky

 

Mr. Lucky,

 

In all of these porn discussions, c-riouz is about the 3rd or 4th female that has talked about "mental" monogamy. That never even crossed my simple male mind until I'd read some of these female posts. I guess in some women's minds sexual thoughts about another person are as bad as sexual actions with another person. I don't know how common that view is, but obviously it does exist.

 

That is definitely an insight I don't think I would have gotten if it wasn't for these boards. Guess these porn arguments haven't been a complete waste, I am learning a little something about the opposite sex after all.

[Mr. Lucky]

I agree, it is interesting to see how the other side thinks. Although, I'm still trying to figure out how I would comply with a requirement for "mental monogamy". If technology ever gets to the point where women can dial into our brains and display the content on a flat screen, we're all sunk...

 

Mr. Lucky

[fral945]

If technology ever gets to the point where women can dial into our brains and display the content on a flat screen, we're all sunk...

 

Mr. Lucky

 

Don't even go there, Mr. Lucky. If it does all men are doomed to a solitary existence. Women would soon start working on a replacement for us.

 

Remember that movie "What Women Want", where Mel Gibson can read every woman's thought? It would be downright scary to women if they made a movie called "What Men Want" and had a woman that could read every man's mind when she walked into a room.

 

I think Dave Chapelle did a skit on his TV show that played on that. An attractive woman got into an elevator with a bunch on men, and she could read their thoughts. Of course it was an exaggeration, but all of their thoughts centered around her body and what they'd like to do to her. She was obviously grossed out and got out of the elevator as quick as she could.

 

It was hilarious to me because it was so honest.

[grogster]

Call it what you will-- "mental monogamy," "psychological fidelity"--the bottom line's the same:voluntary psychological subjugation to a wildly insecure, paranoid woman, all in the name of love and marriage.This tyrannical demand that male sexual focus be exclusive to the wife or girl friend is absurd, emasculating and not shared by the overwhelming majority of healthy, balanced, sexually active women.

 

No one tells me what I'm permitted to think or imagine. My thoughts are owned by me, and no one else.

 

If all women were anti-porn fascists, I'd happily live alone.

[fral945]

This tyrannical demand that male sexual focus be exclusive to the wife or girl friend is absurd, emasculating and not shared by the overwhelming majority of healthy, balanced, sexually active women

 

I hope you are right that this view is not common.

[PandorasBox]

"If I had a bf who was concerned that I now like pron well he would have to just get used to it".

 

 

Don't forget to, that if he would have to "just get used to it" there might come a time when he is doing things that, "you might just have to get used" to also.

[grogster]

I hope you are right that this view is not common.

 

 

I've dated many women, and I've had my share of relationships. I'm happy to say that I have never in my life encountered any woman with the belief system held by the anti-porn extremists who post here.

 

I suspect the great majority of healthy women are realistic about the male sexual imagination.

[Jersey Shortie]

Do they have a point? Should this "insecurity" be entertained? Afterall, it's not like they choose to feel insecure, it is an unexplainable feeling that just comes over them. Why should they have to ignore/suppress such a feeling so their their spouse can watch some naked chick on TV? Why can't he just stop watching the naked women on TV to make his wife feel better?

 

I don't think women should be more persuaded to not entertain their insecurity anymore then men are persuaded to entertain their lust. Men always use the "you're just insecure" statement. And sometimes that's is true. But how do men expect us not to feel somewhat insecure in our relationships with them if they are always entertaining ideas of lust and attraction towards other women? I would sincerely like to know. So if any man wants to take a stab at honestly addressing that question, please do. Is it any more fair to deny men their feelings of sexuality as it is to deny women their feelings too?

 

 

Read this article, it's an interesting study on how internet porn is marketed to women vs. men:

 

To women: [COLOR=#660000]http://www.netnanny.com/learn_center/article/122[/COLOR]

To men:[COLOR=#660000]http://www.netnanny.com/learn_center/article/117[/COLOR]

 

 

Fral, I read both of those articles. And with that in mind, can you not understand, at least in part, why porn is threatening and can be hurtful to a woman who loves a man that is using it? In all honesty, and with the rise of porn today and the amount that younger generations and older geneartions are viewing it, it's threatening as a woman to realize how partly obsolete men have made us and have in part, made feminity and female sexuality. How do men expect us to trust them with all this going on behind our backs and inside our man's head? I don't ask that to put men down, but I don't know what men expect from us if they don't want to meet us half way in trying to make reslationships work.

 

 

 

I guarantee you no matter how attractive and great you are, if you're boyfriend sees a beautiful women, he will have sexual thoughts about her, no matter how in love he is and how sexually satisfied he is with you. Those kinds of thoughts are involuntary. If you are looking for a man that doesn't have those thoughts he doesn't exist.

 

Then a woman, no matter if she loves a man and does loving things for him, doesn't win. She never gets his loyatly. What do you expect women to do in the wake of this? It's hurtful. And it's hard to have faith that men truly love us, appreciate us and want to be with us and only us. How are we suppse to be open and vulnerable with men when they are not all that loyal and respectful of us to begin with? Again, this is asked completely sincerely. Don't you think women want to"win" with men on some level? With porn in the picture, with their men giving other women importance in their mental fantasy life, we women just loose it seems.

 

 

 

 

 

It's a good general rule. I am a male and I've been around males all my life. I have male friends, brothers, uncles, co-workers, and I've observed how they act throughout my life. Some are more vocal than others, but almost every single one of them views women in that way. They talk about and ogle attractive women even if they are married or in relationships, good or bad. It's obvious they have sexual thoughts about attractive women just as I do. I remember my 70 something year old, happily married grandfather actually feel and broke some bones a few years ago at the bank. He later admitted it was because he was gawking at a beautiful young women and tripped over a car parking bumper.

 

Again, I guess it just comes down to the fact that women loose all around. We can have beautiful families with the men we love, love him, give him a million blow jobs, take care of him, and how it appears from what you are saying that what trumps all is just another different beautiful woman. What do you expect women to do or how do you expect women to feel in the light of that? It doesn't build much faith and trust.

 

I don't know about you but I wish so much that men and women were able to have more successful loving relationsihps where both partners felt respected, loved and cared for and important. Where both partners felt like they "win" with the opposite sex. I don't know if men want the same things but I would hope they do. I just don't know how we are expected to do that if it seems that we just aren't overly very important to men beyond the varity and sexual newness we can provide.

[Hyperpen12000]

I don't think women should be more persuaded to not entertain their insecurity anymore then men are persuaded to entertain their lust. Men always use the "you're just insecure" statement. And sometimes that's is true. But how do men expect us not to feel somewhat insecure in our relationships with them if they are always entertaining ideas of lust and attraction towards other women? I would sincerely like to know. So if any man wants to take a stab at honestly addressing that question, please do. Is it any more fair to deny men their feelings of sexuality as it is to deny women their feelings too?

 

 

 

 

Fral, I read both of those articles. And with that in mind, can you not understand, at least in part, why porn is threatening and can be hurtful to a woman who loves a man that is using it? In all honesty, and with the rise of porn today and the amount that younger generations and older geneartions are viewing it, it's threatening as a woman to realize how partly obsolete men have made us and have in part, made feminity and female sexuality. How do men expect us to trust them with all this going on behind our backs and inside our man's head? I don't ask that to put men down, but I don't know what men expect from us if they don't want to meet us half way in trying to make reslationships work.

 

 

 

 

 

Then a woman, no matter if she loves a man and does loving things for him, doesn't win. She never gets his loyatly. What do you expect women to do in the wake of this? It's hurtful. And it's hard to have faith that men truly love us, appreciate us and want to be with us and only us. How are we suppse to be open and vulnerable with men when they are not all that loyal and respectful of us to begin with? Again, this is asked completely sincerely. Don't you think women want to"win" with men on some level? With porn in the picture, with their men giving other women importance in their mental fantasy life, we women just loose it seems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, I guess it just comes down to the fact that women loose all around. We can have beautiful families with the men we love, love him, give him a million blow jobs, take care of him, and how it appears from what you are saying that what trumps all is just another different beautiful woman. What do you expect women to do or how do you expect women to feel in the light of that? It doesn't build much faith and trust.

 

I don't know about you but I wish so much that men and women were able to have more successful loving relationsihps where both partners felt respected, loved and cared for and important. Where both partners felt like they "win" with the opposite sex. I don't know if men want the same things but I would hope they do. I just don't know how we are expected to do that if it seems that we just aren't overly very important to men beyond the varity and sexual newness we can provide.

 

Wow, you're still really strong about this issue. You write so profusely...

[Hyperpen12000]

LOL! :laugh:

 

indeed. If I comment anymore about porn, I should take all my post and create a book.:lmao::lmao::lmao::p

[fral945]

Fral, I read both of those articles. And with that in mind, can you not understand, at least in part, why porn is threatening and can be hurtful to a woman who loves a man that is using it? In all honesty, and with the rise of porn today and the amount that younger generations and older geneartions are viewing it, it's threatening as a woman to realize how partly obsolete men have made us and have in part, made feminity and female sexuality. How do men expect us to trust them with all this going on behind our backs and inside our man's head? I don't ask that to put men down, but I don't know what men expect from us if they don't want to meet us half way in trying to make reslationships work.

 

I knew you'd show up for this discussion, JS.

 

Of course I do. Obviously the site is religious and anti-porn if you go on to read their subjective conclusions. I was more interested in the objective part of how porn is marketed. I agree with the objective part, but disagree with the subjective part.

 

They pretty much use the same "slippery slope" argument you do. This argument has been beaten to death, but I'll reiterate it. That argument can be applied to almost anything in life (food, alcohol, drugs, etc.). There is always a segment of the population that will be unable to control themselves. I can understand why porn is threatening, but it still exists and will never go away.

 

Then a woman, no matter if she loves a man and does loving things for him, doesn't win. She never gets his loyatly. What do you expect women to do in the wake of this? It's hurtful. And it's hard to have faith that men truly love us, appreciate us and want to be with us and only us. How are we suppse to be open and vulnerable with men when they are not all that loyal and respectful of us to begin with? Again, this is asked completely sincerely. Don't you think women want to"win" with men on some level? With porn in the picture, with their men giving other women importance in their mental fantasy life, we women just loose it seems.

 

You know what I expect women to do? I expect the women to accept that fact that she can't fully please a man but will still love her man and try to please him sexually. Why is it so difficult for you (and other women like you) to accept reality? You don't have to be everything to a man.

 

I do not expect to ever be able to fully please a woman in every way. She may never feel I'm romantic enough or open emotionally as she may need. But that doesn't stop me from loving her and doing those things.

 

Again, I guess it just comes down to the fact that women loose all around. We can have beautiful families with the men we love, love him, give him a million blow jobs, take care of him, and how it appears from what you are saying that what trumps all is just another different beautiful woman. What do you expect women to do or how do you expect women to feel in the light of that? It doesn't build much faith and trust.

 

I don't know about you but I wish so much that men and women were able to have more successful loving relationsihps where both partners felt respected, loved and cared for and important. Where both partners felt like they "win" with the opposite sex.

 

I don't know what to tell you JS. Do you expect a man to be fully physically and mentally monogamous? If so, you will constantly be disappointed. No such man exists. We can be physically monogamous, but mental monogamy (not having sexual thoughts about other women) is impossible. As I stated before, those thoughts are involuntary. I cannot control them. No man can control them. And neither can you.

 

I don't know if men want the same things but I would hope they do.

 

Then you are naive. The reality is there may be some mutual needs and desires but there are also desires that each sex has that the opposite sex does not have to the same degree or may not even have.

 

I have sexual desires and wants that I know no woman has (or at least no woman I've ever met). And I know women have romantic desires and wants that I don't have and many other men don't have. How many men want their woman to buy them chocolate, flowers, and a card to make them feel appreciated? I don't, having sex with me would make me feel appreciated far more than anything else she could ever do.

 

That doesn't mean I won't accommodate those wants and desires if she is someone I love and care about. I realize that not all desires are mutual and I have to cater to some of the desires she has that I don't. I see that as the "give and take" in a relationship.

[Mr. Lucky]

I don't know what to tell you JS. Do you expect a man to be fully physically and mentally monogamous? If so, you will constantly be disappointed. No such man exists. We can be physically monogamous, but mental monogamy (not having sexual thoughts about other women) is impossible. As I stated before, those thoughts are involuntary. I cannot control them. No man can control them. And neither can you.

Jersey, this is one part of your position on which I've never been clear. Do you dispute the involuntary nature of these thoughts? In other words, if a man loves you enough, do you feel that he should be immune to these sexual thoughts?

 

Mr. Lucky

[Mary3]

of course no control here.

 

Do you love your wife picturing another man when you make love to her? she purposely close her eyes, and murmur his name, do you love that? It is a two way street

 

Uh I know this was not directed towards me but YEA I do fantasize about other guys ( you know the hot mailman , the produce manager ) while I have sex. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Can you imagine 475 times with the same man ( over the years ) and the only thought you ever had was him ? Maybe for some this is true but I think we pretend role play scenarios because its make the sameness a little different .

[Mary3]

"If I had a bf who was concerned that I now like pron well he would have to just get used to it".

 

 

Don't forget to, that if he would have to "just get used to it" there might come a time when he is doing things that, "you might just have to get used" to also.

 

And thats why we * choose * to be in a relationship with someone. If I do things he doesn't like or he does things I don't like , we can * choose * to allow it or walk away.

[Jersey Shortie]

I knew you'd show up for this discussion, JS.

 

Oh, stop being so snarky and indulgent. You obviously show up for these discussions as well.

 

 

 

They pretty much use the same "slippery slope" argument you do. This argument has been beaten to death, but I'll reiterate it. That argument can be applied to almost anything in life (food, alcohol, drugs, etc.). There is always a segment of the population that will be unable to control themselves. I can understand why porn is threatening, but it still exists and will never go away.

 

Actually, there are things distinct to porn that can not be compared to food, alcohol or drugs. Porn is directly related to sexual and psychological relations between men and women. Food, alcohol or drugs don't in themselves directly degrade an entire gender or race. Could you image if we treated poeple of different nationalities as women are treated in porn? Basically the message I get from men is men understand why it's threatening but they don't care that it is because they trump over all. It's disheartening in the least. And if you wonder why women don't trust men, men don't always give us alot of reasons to trust you.

 

 

You know what I expect women to do? I expect the women to accept that fact that she can't fully please a man but will still love her man and try to please him sexually. Why is it so difficult for you (and other women like you) to accept reality? You don't have to be everything to a man.

 

But there is no point in loving a man or trying to please him sexually if he is never satisified with what she gives him. That's the lesson here. Why is it so difficult for you and other men to grow up and realize that when you get into a relationship you have to consider another person? That some sacrifices should be made because you are actually loyal and respectful of your partner. And you mistake the idea that I think I need to be everthing to a man. I don't want or expect to be. I want him to have other hobbies..productive hobbies, not hobbies looking at porn. I want him to have strong friendships, relationships with his family, his kids and so on. But I want loyatly too. I don't think thats asking for too much.

 

 

I don't know what to tell you JS. Do you expect a man to be fully physically and mentally monogamous? If so, you will constantly be disappointed. No such man exists. We can be physically monogamous, but mental monogamy (not having sexual thoughts about other women) is impossible. As I stated before, those thoughts are involuntary. I cannot control them. No man can control them. And neither can you.

 

No. I don't expect a man to be 100% physically and mentally monogmous. I suspect he will laspe. What I expect is that a man try his hardest to be these things sincerely. WHich means not caving into every little body twitch you have because the media tells you you need instant gratification. I have respect and pride in men who use self control nad practive strong mind and body. NOt men who cave into every little desire. Just as the same would be true for me. We choose what we let into our lives and what we let our thoughts be. And we can condition ourselves to learn math, learn a new lanugage, think about one thing over the other. It is controlable. To say a man control it is not taking responsiblity for yourself and shows weak insincerty and selfishness.

 

 

 

That doesn't mean I won't accommodate those wants and desires if she is someone I love and care about. I realize that not all desires are mutual and I have to cater to some of the desires she has that I don't. I see that as the "give and take" in a relationship.

 

Asking you to be more romantic has nothing to do with other men. It has to do with you and her. Wanting and desire other women and indulging that with porn and ideas of other women has to do with other women. I dont expect all our desire to be the same. I also expect give and take. But I don't understand why men think the one thing that they can take in the relationship is from their SO and other women interchangably. Asking them to share space with his porn images and women he met off the street and whoever he is thinking about. It doesn't creat a foundation of trust. And at the end of the day, there is no point in even trying to meet man's needs when the message is you are never enough for him. Men give no incentive. Maybe that is why so many men have unhappy marriages and failed relationships. They didn't give their wives and gfs incentives to want to make them happy. They just took advantage of them and were more involved in using visual imagery and fantasy than considering her as a person. Perhaps alot of women are just tired of trying to give men, and them just taking. Especially when the pay off is him just "cheating" mentally on her with other women. Women just get screwed over for caring about men.

[LucreziaBorgia]

I'm not certain that the porn thing can be turned around like that. If a woman watches a lot of porn, I doubt that the man would mind. He would likely see through some sort of ruse like a woman pretending to salivate over pictures and clips of random d*cks.

 

However...

 

If you were to change it from porn to using toys to get off instead of sex you'd get an entirely different debate going.

 

I know a guy (now divorced) whose wife would not have sex with him, but would masturbate and use her toys instead (no porn that I know of). One time she even made a cast of his d*ck so that she could use that! Years went by where she continually denied him sex. He'd get it once or twice a year if lucky. Yet, she'd be buzzing away with her vibrators and chugging away with her dildos nearly every night. Now, I know for a fact that this guy was great in bed. He and I got together after they divorced, and the sex was blistering hot and he was well endowed. I never could figure out why his exW went 'cold fish' on him, but she did nonetheless (and did in every relationship prior to that and after that).

 

He was deeply affected by that. Just as deeply affected as we see girls here who are deeply affected by their SO's porn use.

 

So, if you want to hit a nerve, trying to turn around a porn argument when women just don't 'get' porn the same way men do isn't going to have much affect.

 

You'd have to threaten a man's ability to please, rather than trying to threaten his insecurity over his looks compared to other men. I think you'd get a stronger reaction.

[fral945]

Food, alcohol or drugs don't in themselves directly degrade an entire gender or race.

 

Degradation is not the issue. The point is they can be just as or more destructive to society, especially in interpersonal relationships. How many couples do you know that are negatively affected as the result of obesity, alcoholism, or drug addiction?

 

Basically the message I get from men is men understand why it's threatening but they don't care that it is because they trump over all. It's disheartening in the least. And if you wonder why women don't trust men, men don't always give us alot of reasons to trust you.

 

Oh, yes, I watch porn, therefore I don't care about women. What a crock.

 

What exactly makes men less trustworthy if they watch porn? Please elaborate with specific details.

 

WHich means not caving into every little body twitch you have because the media tells you you need instant gratification.

 

Hate to tell you, JS, but men have looked at porn and used prostitutes to satisfy their desire for sexual variety even before there ever was a media. If such a media message exists, it is a result of those desires and the feminist belief that women and men are equal and women can be just like men sexually.

 

I have respect and pride in men who use self control nad practive strong mind and body. NOt men who cave into every little desire. Just as the same would be true for me. We choose what we let into our lives and what we let our thoughts be. And we can condition ourselves to learn math, learn a new lanugage, think about one thing over the other. It is controlable. To say a man control it is not taking responsiblity for yourself and shows weak insincerty and selfishness.

 

I agree. If you talking about sexual thoughts, though, I do not have control over them. It's not a light switch that you can turn on and off and it can't be conditioned. I can tell you I have far fewer of them when I have a good sex life, but even then I still have them.

 

You would have to castrate me to eliminate them.

 

But I don't understand why men think the one thing that they can take in the relationship is from their SO and other women interchangably. Asking them to share space with his porn images and women he met off the street and whoever he is thinking about. It doesn't creat a foundation of trust.

 

Again, please elaborate why watching porn makes men distrustful.

 

 

And at the end of the day, there is no point in even trying to meet man's needs when the message is you are never enough for him.

 

Ok, the way I see it you have 3 options:

 

1) Live without a man. Obviously, since you can't meet all there sexual needs, why try?

2) Wait for that 1 in a billion man that is fully satisfied by you sexually, emotionally, and physically

3) Accept some degree of sexual insatiability from men, because that's just the way they are

 

Especially when the pay off is him just "cheating" mentally on her with other women.

 

Ok, please enlighten me. Since I do not understand this concept at all, what constitutes mental cheating?