Feminism and weakening religion are the cause of increasing divorce rates

[Kamille]

LOL come on....B.S.

 

You are expecting me to believe women do not care if a man works or not? Now it is really ridiculous. If that is true, it is true for a VERY small percentage of females.

 

It's funny, because many women even prefer you have a nice car, and now you are telling me they really do not care if they support you for the rest of their lives. BS.

 

My perception is that men are STILL expected to be a steady breadwinner, much more so than women. This is from the old fashioned traditional ways.

 

But now, women also seem to feel cooking, cleaning, etc must be split down the middle.

 

Men still work and largely support women, in most cases. Then they should have to come home and split chores? Or, let the man stay home, and he will do the chores while the female pays the bills. Women would not care for that idea very much.

 

So what happens? Kids are raised by day care, people eat crap food, and everyone is too tired from working ..Great life.

 

Not bull**** and I love cooking so no crap food for my family.

 

I will contend it is a minority view - but AGAIN, it goes back to the point that what works for some doesn't work for all and doesn't have to work for all.

 

I'll throw you a bone: my ex ex used to believe that taking out the garbage was a man's job. I never disputed him on that one since I hate taking out the garbage.

[soserious1]

LOL come on....B.S.

 

You are expecting me to believe women do not care if a man works or not? Now it is really ridiculous. If that is true, it is true for a VERY small percentage of females.

 

It's funny, because many women even prefer you have a nice car, and now you are telling me they really do not care if they support you for the rest of their lives. BS.

 

My perception is that men are STILL expected to be a steady breadwinner, much more so than women. This is from the old fashioned traditional ways.

 

But now, women also seem to feel cooking, cleaning, etc must be split down the middle.

 

Men still work and largely support women, in most cases. Then they should have to come home and split chores? Or, let the man stay home, and he will do the chores while the female pays the bills. Women would not care for that idea very much.

 

So what happens? Kids are raised by day care, people eat crap food, and everyone is too tired from working ..Great life.

 

 

Most working married women I know still perform the bulk of household chores as well as primary responsibility for the children and their activities,including being the ones having to leave their jobs to deal with sick kids.

 

For the record, I FULLY supported my family for many years and will continue supporting my ex-husband via alimony that will only end if he remarries.

[vonerik012]

kamille, come on. You were merely dating a guy. You didn't support him while he sits home to play with his nephew, did you? I don't see how that is a relevant example.

 

We all know women expect the men to be the breadwinners, in most cases.

[rainfall]

I spilt the bills with my bf 50/50 and there is no way I would ever come home and do all the housework while he sits down and has fun. It is not my place to be his little houseslave. I am his equal and I should be treated like one.

 

For the OP I am very happy and I would not see myself being happy if I was willing to behave like a servant.

[vonerik012]

yeah rainfall.. Your boyfriend...Not your husband.

 

So if you give birth one day it is right back to work? I mean he should not be expected to be a work slave for you while you sit home, right?

[soserious1]

yeah rainfall.. Your boyfriend...Not your husband.

 

So if you give birth one day it is right back to work? I mean he should not be expected to be a work slave for you while you sit home, right?

 

I think that idea of the mother returning immediately to work is more than fair,provided he also splits 50/50 all childcare duties,including having to call out sick/leave his job to pick up,care for sick children.

[Tomcat33]

My perception is that men are STILL expected to be a steady breadwinner, much more so than women. This is from the old fashioned traditional ways.

 

 

It's not that women expect the man to be steady breadwinner it is more that any human being regardless of gender that has worked hard to sustain a certain level of lifestyle due to their hard work perseverence, and RESPONSIBILITY looks for the same attributes in someone during the mate selection process. I know you in particular may be partisan to the idea that you can date a receptionist with no money or education or even extra carricular interests but some men don't feel that way. I have heard men say things like "I don't care what she does in terms of career but I do want a woman that has her own thing going on, her own set of interests and her set of goals and ambitions"

 

It's logical that a person that has these things going for them would want them same from a potential life mate.

 

Granted there are exceptions to the rules but more than likely it is less about material needs and moreso about matching qualities in terms of personal growth and value as member of society and basically how responsible they are a mature adult.

 

I've dated, laywers, carpinters, journalists, plummers and entrepeneurs. I give a rat's azz what the man does for a living so long as two things are aligned

 

a) we connect on an intellectual level

b) he has a career of some sort and has his shiiit together, basically he is proven to be a responsible adult with an interest in something other than just blowing a paycheck and getting laid.

 

The rest are titles. So don't confuse wanting a responsible mate for wanting a title.

 

 

Something which seems to escape you more often than not and given what I have read you post in many threads so far.

[Kamille]

kamille, come on. You were merely dating a guy. You didn't support him while he sits home to play with his nephew, did you? I don't see how that is a relevant example.

 

We all know women expect the men to be the breadwinners, in most cases.

 

Seriously, things didn't work out with that guy because he was getting over his ex. He broke things off with me.

 

But all right, here are other few real examples:

 

My friend teacher, married to a man who does landscaping in the summer and works on his music in the winter.

 

My other friend, doctor, in an LTR and planning to have kids with a man who is trying to figure out what he wants to do with his life. In other words, unemployed.

 

Yet another friend, public servant, two kids. Father is an artists who paints from home and takes care of the kids.

 

Yet another friend (and this one actually struggled with the idea but is now realdy to be the major breadwinner), her bf is a writer. She's a physiotherapist.

 

Over and over again couples around me have supported their partners in times of transitions for one of them. I remember writing this same thing out on another thread where women were accused of being vain and superficial and only into 100k men.

 

The fact is, many people here have told you your ideas about women don't match their experience but you keep ignoring it because you want to hang on to your stereotypes about women.

 

That's fine. The fact remains I would be willing to be the only breadwinner in a relationship that was loving, trusting and respectful.

[rainfall]

yeah rainfall.. Your boyfriend...Not your husband.

 

So if you give birth one day it is right back to work? I mean he should not be expected to be a work slave for you while you sit home, right?

 

 

He will never be my husband. I don't believe in marriage. I do plan on being with him for the rest of my life I just don't want or need marriage.

 

I don't want kids so I never plan to give birth one day.

[rainfall]

I think that idea of the mother returning immediately to work is more than fair,provided he also splits 50/50 all childcare duties,including having to call out sick/leave his job to pick up,care for sick children.

 

I agree with this.

[almost famous]

No, pretty much all of the women at work are working, and their husbands are working, there is no one "breadwinner." That is actually the case in most households.The woman's salary is needed just as much as the man's....the guys at work, all their wives are working, also, as their wives salaries are also needed in the household.

As far as giving birth, that is a painful process and requires time to rest and heal, as well as to adjust to the new life, it is a huge life-changing process. That is why most places of work also allow men to take off work for a child, just like maternity leave.

[Kamille]

So if you give birth one day it is right back to work? I mean he should not be expected to be a work slave for you while you sit home, right?

 

Right. Because taking care of a newborn is child's play!

 

Again though, how couples deal with parentality is up to the individual couple to decide. If I have children, I would like for both my partner and I to spend the first few weeks at home. Then who has to get back to work will be up to how we can organize our days. And, well, since I would like to breastfeed...

 

But childbearing is all a matter of planning.

[Lovelybird]

I think most women have no problem with submission, it is in their genes. The problem here is if man can 'love their wife as themselves', if man is head of the house, do they lead in good directions, or do they selfishly only care about self and hurt their wife constantly. Women rebels not the one who love them, but rebels the one who treat them badly.

[Tomcat33]

I think most women have no problem with submission, it is in their genes. The problem here is if man can 'love their wife as themselves', if man is head of the house, do they lead in good directions, or do they selfishly only care about self and hurt their wife constantly. Women rebels not the one who love them, but rebels the one who treat them badly.

 

 

That was beautifully stated. I think this pretty much sums it up right there, at least for me it does!

[rainfall]

I think most women have no problem with submission, it is in their genes. The problem here is if man can 'love their wife as themselves', if man is head of the house, do they lead in good directions, or do they selfishly only care about self and hurt their wife constantly. Women rebels not the one who love them, but rebels the one who treat them badly.

 

 

I have a problem with submission. Just because he is a man he is not above me. We should both think of each other as equals. I don't consider my man the head of the house. I consider both of us to be t he head of the house.

[child_of_isis]

Beautiful.

 

I think most women have no problem with submission, it is in their genes. The problem here is if man can 'love their wife as themselves', if man is head of the house, do they lead in good directions, or do they selfishly only care about self and hurt their wife constantly. Women rebels not the one who love them, but rebels the one who treat them badly.

[Trialbyfire]

This entire thread is about an unbalanced approach to life. I see a lot of men who are being rejected by women for obvious reasons of attitude. Take a good hard look at yourselves, gentlemen, now take a good hard look at men who are successful with women. They're not all good-looking or wealthy.

 

Step back from the victim approach of gendercide and look at yourselves. The only constant in all the rejections is you.

 

As for the OP, live your life and be happy. Happy people don't think about cheating.

[LionLover]

And if I may also add, Von skirted away from questions on pages 16 & 17.

 

He's a skirt chaser, yet...runs away from them....

 

Now I have to ask, how does THAT make sense exactly?

 

Hmmmm.....???

 

[Owl]

I haven't read this whole thread, but the concept is...interesting.

 

I've been married 21 years next month.

 

I'll boast a bit here...I'm a relatively smart guy. I speak three languages, I have a background in electronics, telecommunications, as well as having worked on mechanical/electrical/pneumatic/hydro-pneumatic systems.

 

I'm an ex-Army combat vet, and have lived a pretty interesting life.

 

The wonder of it all is my wife. She's one of the very few people I've known who can mentally "keep up".

 

She's NOT a shy wall-flower. In fact, she's highly opinionated, outgoing, self-reliant, and VERY intelligent.

 

She doesn't meet the values of an "Old Testament woman".

 

Nor would I want her to. I don't need someone I need to come home to and dictate how things are going to be to. I do that all day at work. I have a woman who can run things as needed, ask for help when she wants it, and is fully capable of taking care of whatever she needs to.

 

In short...a PARTNER.

 

She brings aspects to our relationship that I don't have...and vice versa.

 

MUCH better than having some meek, submissive doe-eyed GIRL, I have a WOMAN I can trust to make the right choices and handle what needs to be handled while I hold up MY end of the relationship.

 

Much more attractive to me.

[vonerik012]

If my paycheck were enough for the family and my man wanted to take on the role of homemaker (like women used to in the '50's), I would certainly be fine with that. But my f'ing dinner better be on the table when I come home from work, and my clothes better we washed and folded, and the house cleaned. That is what would be expected of the woman if the roles were reversed, right?

 

I guess it depends, and perhaps my perceptions are skewed because I own a business that deals with upper middle class to upper class people.

 

I can tell you that many of the women do not work, and even many of the ones who do not work also have a maid, nanny, etc. I have never seen a man in my life that has this situation. Not work, stay home, have a maid, and a nanny, while his wife works and he is playing tennis.

 

Do you women think a women's attractiveness usually dictates how much of a partner she is willing to be?

[vonerik012]

Do you mean do prettier women think that all they have to do is be pretty and that's enough?

 

More or less, yes..

[soserious1]

More or less, yes..

 

I'm sure they do, in the same way some men use the fact that they earn

the family paycheck to get out of responsibility for any household/ child rearing task they find distasteful.

[Dirk Diggler]

I don't think a single woman on this thread has a problem with pleasing their man with BJ's. It's the whole "I do my duty even if I feel like crap because it's all about him, him, him, and I shouldn't care if he cares whether I feel like crap because he MUST have his dick sucked."

 

My honey LOVES his BJ's, but he would NEVER want me to do that if I were sick. Know why? Because he loves me.

 

I think this thread has jumped to many conclusions based on the OP's lack of information beyond initial comments. Initial comments in which i replied to. While my long term girlfriend and i enjoy a *very* active sex life that we take pleasure in pleasing one another. Keeping it active, interesting and frequent keeps that connection, so things are great. It's not like it's going to dry up so if one another is sick, hurt etc of course it's not expected it's not based on (expectation).

 

I don't know enough about the OP to comment beyond that of she enjoys giving lots of BJ's. If this is what works for their marriage then all the power to them, for keeping the fire burning with her hot lips. Now if she takes pleasure from sucking his dick, why fault the woman? She's not using your lips, or the lips of the other female posters in this thread.

 

My connection to original post here was based on my experience on keeping a very active sex life with your S/O, not supporting one of abuse (if it exists). It's clear to me she is someone of faith and maybe it's her faith in god that resisted her temptations? She didn't say. My comments were not based on the cheating aspect, if she wanted help with that she would have asked because it's not something to boast about.

 

My comparison to (some) not all (some) other women and even some ex's of mine. I find quite a many women get down right lazy/boring in a sexual relationship once it's gone on for a while. A lot of selfishness, like i said previous this "what's in it for me" attitude. Basically attrition style pussy power tactics to shape and mold the relationship.

[norajane]

I think this thread has jumped to many conclusions based on the OP's lack of information beyond initial comments. Initial comments in which i replied to. While my long term girlfriend and i enjoy a *very* active sex life that we take pleasure in pleasing one another. Keeping it active, interesting and frequent keeps that connection, so things are great. It's not like it's going to dry up so if one another is sick, hurt etc of course it's not expected it's not based on (expectation).

 

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you here, except maybe the OP. Taking pleasure in pleasing one another, and not sex based on expectation, is what makes for great sex. Perfunctory bj's given only because it's her place to give them...well, you think about how much more fun it is knowing your gf gives you bj's because she wants to, and not because she thinks it's her duty, rain or shine, in sickness and in health.

 

I don't know enough about the OP to comment beyond that of she enjoys giving lots of BJ's. If this is what works for their marriage then all the power to them, for keeping the fire burning with her hot lips. Now if she takes pleasure from sucking his dick, why fault the woman?

 

Do you know her even well enough to say that? I don't recall her saying she enjoys giving the bj's, nor that she takes pleasure from giving them. I thought she only said she does it every day no matter what. And that's very different from enjoying them, and I'm sure it feels very different on the receiving end when one knows it's beeing done out of duty vs. giving out of pleasure.

 

My connection to original post here was based on my experience on keeping a very active sex life with your S/O, not supporting one of abuse (if it exists). It's clear to me she is someone of faith and maybe it's her faith in god that resisted her temptations? She didn't say. My comments were not based on the cheating aspect, if she wanted help with that she would have asked because it's not something to boast about.

 

She did post asking for help with the cheating aspect in the past. Her first thread was about that, I believe. Maybe a dose of LS bolstered her faith when she needed something more to help lead her not into temptation - god works in mysterious ways, yes?

 

I think most of the people here are pointing out that - generally - if someone is frequently tempted to cheat, it means there's something not quite right in the relationship. Perhaps her faith tells her to please her man, but she's rebelling a bit if she's tempted to cheat so often. Something isn't working for her.

 

And because she posted telling other women we should know our place, we have to question the messenger when it would appear that "place" also leads you to think about cheating.

[a4a]

I certainly know my place!

 

And no matter how much you kiss your partners ass or blow them some are just going to cheat or not give back.

 

You could submit your ass off and they will never be pleased. They will however be pleased to "use you".

 

Seems to me the traditional roles are based on marrying a child like female and a father like male.