Feminism and weakening religion are the cause of increasing divorce rates

[a4a]

THIS is a fantastic post!

 

I agree that I can't see how a man could possibly enjoy sex of ANY kind as much if he feels his wife is just enduring it rather than relishing it. Unless, of course, he's cold and unfeeling.

 

Men will pay women for sexual favors..... some people just don't care who is polishing the knob or for what reason.

[Tomcat33]

I think this thread has jumped to many conclusions based on the OP's lack of information beyond initial comments. Initial comments in which i replied to. While my long term girlfriend and i enjoy a *very* active sex life that we take pleasure in pleasing one another. Keeping it active, interesting and frequent keeps that connection, so things are great. It's not like it's going to dry up so if one another is sick, hurt etc of course it's not expected it's not based on (expectation).

 

I don't know enough about the OP to comment beyond that of she enjoys giving lots of BJ's. If this is what works for their marriage then all the power to them, for keeping the fire burning with her hot lips. Now if she takes pleasure from sucking his dick, why fault the woman? She's not using your lips, or the lips of the other female posters in this thread.

 

I hope you also include youself in that comment because you are making assumptions almost more than others. Please point out where she said she enjoys doing this? All she said was she does it regardless of how she feels whether she wants to or not because she "knows her role".

 

Furthermore her comment about "would you refuse to play with your child if you had headache" all I have to say is, EVEN a child understands "mommy has a headache sweetheart, tonight we have to play calmly let me read you a book instead" OR you can also give the example that you would not neglect feeding a baby because you have a headache, and I can also counter that with a baby needs a mother to survive so yes a mother must do what she has to make sure that baby stays alive despite how she feels. But in both cases we are talking about small creatures one who cannot fend for itself the other a person who has the capacity EVEN at a very young age to comprehend boundaries and the fact that sometimes things cannot happen as they wish. To equate a GROWN man to a child is really doing a great disservice to the man, moreso than to the woman. A man is not a baby or a child, well most men aren't.

 

 

 

My connection to original post here was based on my experience on keeping a very active sex life with your S/O, not supporting one of abuse (if it exists). It's clear to me she is someone of faith and maybe it's her faith in god that resisted her temptations? She didn't say. My comments were not based on the cheating aspect, if she wanted help with that she would have asked because it's not something to boast about.

 

Well she SHOULD be asking help for that rather than telling ALL women to know their role. I think that would be a more realistic place to start. All threads she started when she came here to LS feature her doubts around why she puts herself in compromising positions every time she enjoys the company of a man from work or wherever.

 

If I am going to be open to some woman's recipe for success is and furthermore TELL ME THAT I don't know any better when it comes to my "role" I need a little more than what she posted in the OP and by digging at her past threads, which I did as soon as I read this OP it pretty much allowed me to focus on the issue at hand which was and still is "if this woman is so happy in her marriage why is she always fighting off tempation or better yet purposely putting herself in the path of temptation and even intiating it? " I said this very early on and some of you men seem to want to gloss over that, and that's your choice, but if you fail to see that is the integral part of the message then I have a free standing wall you might want to purchase you we'll have it sized and shipped to you within the hour.

 

 

She did post asking for help with the cheating aspect in the past. Her first thread was about that, I believe. Maybe a dose of LS bolstered her faith when she needed something more to help lead her not into temptation - god works in mysterious ways, yes?

 

I think most of the people here are pointing out that - generally - if someone is frequently tempted to cheat, it means there's something not quite right in the relationship. Perhaps her faith tells her to please her man, but she's rebelling a bit if she's tempted to cheat so often. Something isn't working for her.

 

And because she posted telling other women we should know our place, we have to question the messenger when it would appear that "place" also leads you to think about cheating.

 

 

EXACTLY!!! Thank you that is exactly what I am talking about.

 

 

Speaking frankly as a woman I never want that to be my role, thank you very much. When I commit to someone I'd like to think "my role" is to not have the attention span of a kitten being shown several dangling peices of yarn string, "7 year itch" or not.

[serial muse]

I guess it depends, and perhaps my perceptions are skewed because I own a business that deals with upper middle class to upper class people.

 

I can tell you that many of the women do not work, and even many of the ones who do not work also have a maid, nanny, etc. I have never seen a man in my life that has this situation. Not work, stay home, have a maid, and a nanny, while his wife works and he is playing tennis.

 

Do you women think a women's attractiveness usually dictates how much of a partner she is willing to be?

 

I'm not sure how anyone can answer this without opening herself up to the obvious insults. I certainly don't think the OP is likely to agree with that!

 

But I'll answer anyway, in the interests of the discussion. And my answer is no, not necessarily. One shouldn't make such an assumption. I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel a sense of entitlement based on their looks. But there are lots of very attractive people who also happen to be very giving and nurturing to their partners. And yes, I think I'm one of them. So does my BF, for that matter. So...I'm sure it's sometimes a factor with the more shallow or self-absorbed types, but it's hardly a deciding one.

[a4a]

I guess it depends, and perhaps my perceptions are skewed because I own a business that deals with upper middle class to upper class people.

 

I can tell you that many of the women do not work, and even many of the ones who do not work also have a maid, nanny, etc. I have never seen a man in my life that has this situation. Not work, stay home, have a maid, and a nanny, while his wife works and he is playing tennis.

 

Do you women think a women's attractiveness usually dictates how much of a partner she is willing to be?

 

Yes only ugly women have jobs.

 

Honestly I am waiting for the day to have a house bf. I would love a stay at home guy and if I could pay for a maid - great!!! My hot bf could run out and meet me for lunch and be at my beck and call.

 

Honey could you run to the dry cleaners.

 

If one can afford all those things why not. Some people don't want to work ugly, pretty, male, or female...... some of us enjoy the hell out of it. The challenge.

 

stick me at home watching snot nose kids - making dinner for the hungry man - toiling at scrubbing toilets and I would commit suicide. And I ain't all that ugly.

 

Curious to know what man in this day and age is willing to foot the bill for a wife and able to do so in a manner that is liveable and enjoyable.

 

Money doesn't buy happiness but it sure as hell helps.

[vonerik012]

Yes only ugly women have jobs.

 

Honestly I am waiting for the day to have a house bf. I would love a stay at home guy and if I could pay for a maid - great!!! My hot bf could run out and meet me for lunch and be at my beck and call.

 

Honey could you run to the dry cleaners.

 

If one can afford all those things why not. Some people don't want to work ugly, pretty, male, or female...... some of us enjoy the hell out of it. The challenge.

 

stick me at home watching snot nose kids - making dinner for the hungry man - toiling at scrubbing toilets and I would commit suicide. And I ain't all that ugly.

 

Curious to know what man in this day and age is willing to foot the bill for a wife and able to do so in a manner that is liveable and enjoyable.

Money doesn't buy happiness but it sure as hell helps.

 

 

Maybe this is a geographical issue, but where I live most women seem to be housewives.

 

Secondly, I am sure many more could be if they were a bit smarter with their money. Often times the working female is just working to pay for both peoples Starbucks, eating out, and day care. If I had more time to think, I could come up with several items that could be cut out, and would not be missed at all.

 

$4 dollars per day man and wife= 240 a month

Child care 1 kid 1,000 a month

Restaurants (conservative) 400 month

Woman's gas for work 250 a month

 

Just that adds up to $1890 a month, or $22,680, a year.

 

So if you are a working female, and make 40k a year, after taxes, lets say you take home 33k. Actually you are working for about 10k a year, 850 a month, or $5.31 an hour. Actually I am sure much less if you could cut a few other things out.

 

Smart people realize often times it is pointless for both to work, unless one is giving up a very large salary, and that is rare as only the top 5-10% of all income earners bring home more than 75k.

[a4a]

Maybe this is a geographical issue, but where I live most women seem to be housewives.

 

Secondly, I am sure many more could be if they were a bit smarter with their money. Often times the working female is just working to pay for both peoples Starbucks, eating out, and day care. If I had more time to think, I could come up with several items that could be cut out, and would not be missed at all.

 

$4 dollars per day man and wife= 240 a month

Child care 1 kid 1,000 a month

Restaurants (conservative) 400 month

Woman's gas for work 250 a month

 

Just that adds up to $1890 a month, or $22,680, a year.

 

So if you are a working female, and make 40k a year, after taxes, lets say you take home 33k. Actually you are working for about 10k a year, 850 a month, or $5.31 an hour. Actually I am sure much less if you could cut a few other things out.

 

Smart people realize often times it is pointless for both to work, unless one is giving up a very large salary, and that is rare as only the top 5-10% of all income earners bring home more than 75k.

 

So would it not make just as much sense for a man not to work vs a woman?

 

That extra $850 per month can certainly come in handy. Stock piled and invested correctly it could become a nice asset. Also there is "what happens" issue.

 

When the kids are gone the female has no marketable job skills. H dies from working to much and the mom is up a creek because all she has done for 15+ years is drive to soccer games.

 

$500 extra a month for some can make the difference between being homeless or not.

[serial muse]

Maybe this is a geographical issue, but where I live most women seem to be housewives.

 

Secondly, I am sure many more could be if they were a bit smarter with their money. Often times the working female is just working to pay for both peoples Starbucks, eating out, and day care. If I had more time to think, I could come up with several items that could be cut out, and would not be missed at all.

 

$4 dollars per day man and wife= 240 a month

Child care 1 kid 1,000 a month

Restaurants (conservative) 400 month

Woman's gas for work 250 a month

 

Just that adds up to $1890 a month, or $22,680, a year.

 

So if you are a working female, and make 40k a year, after taxes, lets say you take home 33k. Actually you are working for about 10k a year, 850 a month, or $5.31 an hour. Actually I am sure much less if you could cut a few other things out.

 

Smart people realize often times it is pointless for both to work, unless one is giving up a very large salary, and that is rare as only the top 5-10% of all income earners bring home more than 75k.

 

What's weird about this post to me is that it's making an assumption that a woman probably only has a job to bring home money. But what about all the other rewards she might get from it? I love my job - I learn all sorts of interesting stuff, meet all sorts of interesting people, feel very engaged with the world, and generally feel like I'm contributing to society. Those things are worth far more than the money. And that seems like it would be obvious to me, but maybe it isn't...

 

Do you honestly think that that's how most people - men or women - feel about their work? That it's just about the money?

 

That said, I'm not saying being at home can't be worthwhile. It's all about what satisfaction you derive from it. But personally, I'm very happy to do what I do.

[Tomcat33]

So if you are a working female, and make 40k a year, after taxes, lets say you take home 33k. Actually you are working for about 10k a year, 850 a month, or $5.31 an hour. Actually I am sure much less if you could cut a few other things out.

 

Which makes even MORE sense for a woman to wait until she is in her 30's to get married and start a family. We already know how you feel about THAT one. I haven't made under 50K since I was in my 20's infact when I was 27 I was already making 50K in my career. But of course I am supposed to cut out "Starbucks", or my love of accessories or shoes, perfumes WHATEV, to make the sacrafice of marrying down a man, that will not only support me while I stay home and raise our kids, but who according to you will also trade me in for another 22 yrs old by the time I am 40. So technically you are telling all women to give up themeselves so that by the time we are 40 we are old, wrinkled, undesirable, talenteless, jobless AND pennyless but of course we did devote the best 10yrs we could muster to a man.

 

Sure that makes perfect sense. sign me up!

[a4a]

What's weird about this post to me is that it's making an assumption that a woman probably only has a job to bring home money. But what about all the other rewards she might get from it? I love my job - I learn all sorts of interesting stuff, meet all sorts of interesting people, feel very engaged with the world, and generally feel like I'm contributing to society. Those things are worth far more than the money. And that seems like it would be obvious to me, but maybe it isn't...

 

Do you honestly think that that's how most people - men or women - feel about their work? That it's just about the money?

 

That said, I'm not saying being at home can't be worthwhile. It's all about what satisfaction you derive from it. But personally, I'm very happy to do what I do.

 

 

Sister let me tell you....... it is much more gratifying to stay home keep up the house and dole out the obligatory BJ nightly..... submit woman.... you don't need no stinkin' job to have satisfaction.... just a penis in your mouth.

 

:p:lmao:

[vonerik012]

Serial Muse,

 

People get paid to work, because nobody wants to do those tasks for free. If you have nothing else better to do than work, in this entire world, then maybe you should become more interesting?

 

I have dated plenty of career women that do nothing but whine about their job. I do not know what percentage love it, but I assure you it is not high.

 

Sure, the selfish attitude. Neglect raising kids correctly, neglect everything so that you are happy. As long as you like going to work, who cares about your family.

 

Do you think men that bring home the money LOVE spending most all of it on bills? Or should they be selfish and say they want a divorce, so they can buy a boat, a motorcycle, travel, and sleep with lots of women. Men sacrifice too.

 

And A4a, the list i compiled was a very short one. Most women work just to break even on working, while the home and family falls into disarray.

 

And it is complete brainwashing to believe a woman cannot get a job as she has no marketable skills after a marriage. I have known a few who have become quite successful in other non-traditional ways of making a living after a long departure from the work force.

 

And sure, if you want to work while the man stays home, nothing wrong wqith that. But do not tell me for one second many women like that idea. Most women want security in a man, but also want to work for extra income, and to have the choice of working, not working, working part time etc. These are not choices men have.

[a4a]

oh and before anyone gets confused - having a job outside the home and likin' it doesn't make one a feminist.

 

- makes me ask the question...... Are Hookers feminist or submissive? (mostly)

[vonerik012]

Tomcat, if shoes and starbucks is more important than your family, please do not get married.

[Jersey Shortie]

Which makes even MORE sense for a woman to wait until she is in her 30's to get married and start a family. We already know how you feel about THAT one. I haven't made under 50K since I was in my 20's infact when I was 27 I was already making 50K in my career. But of course I am supposed to cut out "Starbucks", or my love of accessories or shoes, perfumes WHATEV, to make the sacrafice of marrying down a man, that will not only support me while I stay home and raise our kids, but who according to you will also trade me in for another 22 yrs old by the time I am 40. So technically you are telling all women to give up themeselves so that by the time we are 40 we are old, wrinkled, undesirable, talenteless, jobless AND pennyless but of course we did devote the best 10yrs we could muster to a man.

 

Sure that makes perfect sense. sign me up!

 

 

Yeah. All us women want to be on that list.

 

Christ, sometimes I think what men value and what I value as a woman are so far on the spectrum that having a real, honest, good relationship is impossible.

[Kasan]

I have been reading this thread with great interest.

 

In this day and age, it's just not responsible for a woman to expect a man to take care of her. It's our responsibility to be educated, and employed so that we are able to take care of our children should there be a death or a divorce of our partners.

 

To many women have been at the financial mercy of their ex's on whether or not child support would be paid. How many times can you haul them back to court? In this instance feminism isn't a bad thing.

 

Feminism came about, because women felt oppressed by men.....

 

Personally, there is no way in h*ll that I would want a June Cleaver existence!!!!

 

 

**Disclaimer--of course, the men on LS are excluded from the above.

[vonerik012]

And tomcat fr the record, I never said trade a woman in. Thats just dumb.

 

I said IF I married an older woman, when i was younger surely I would. If I marry a woman a couple years younger, or my age, I am not so shallow to trade her in after building a life together.

 

But, you have nothing to say if you cannot twist others words.

[vonerik012]

Feminism was created by corporations and the govt to have millions of more debt ridden tax paying worker bees. Not to improve your life. How many millions of American working women are on some form of anti-depressant??

 

Millions of women are stay at home moms. Millions work part time. If you want 100% safety never get married then. it is not for everyone. It is a risk for men too.

[a4a]

Serial Muse,

 

People get paid to work, because nobody wants to do those tasks for free. If you have nothing else better to do than work, in this entire world, then maybe you should become more interesting?

 

I have dated plenty of career women that do nothing but whine about their job. I do not know what percentage love it, but I assure you it is not high.

 

 

 

Do you think men that bring home the money LOVE spending most all of it on bills? Or should they be selfish and say they want a divorce, so they can buy a boat, a motorcycle, travel, and sleep with lots of women. Men sacrifice too.

 

And A4a, the list i compiled was a very short one. Most women work just to break even on working, while the home and family falls into disarray.

 

And it is complete brainwashing to believe a woman cannot get a job as she has no marketable skills after a marriage. I have known a few who have become quite successful in other non-traditional ways of making a living after a long departure from the work force.

 

And sure, if you want to work while the man stays home, nothing wrong wqith that. But do not tell me for one second many women like that idea. Most women want security in a man, but also want to work for extra income, and to have the choice of working, not working, working part time etc. These are not choices men have.

 

 

Guess you hate your job. I like mine. If I won the lotto I would still work. Hell I also have a job where I work for free!!! Holy smokes batman.... I am nuts..... Guess people volunteer because they are not interesting enough too.

:lmao:

 

Oh please, I see so many unmarketable women post long term STAH divorces. Best bet for most is working in the school cafeteria. That will not pay enough to live on.

 

Men do have that choice they choose not to do so. But again there are lots of unemployed men. Too lazy to go to work by choice..... single or married.

 

A good many woman are now opting to have children with out a "man".... and still work. Others are now opting for no kids. Are they "bad" too?

 

Sure, the selfish attitude. Neglect raising kids correctly, neglect everything so that you are happy. As long as you like going to work, who cares about your family.

Shouldn't the men have to face that guilt as well? Their kids too.

[a4a]

Feminism was created by corporations and the govt to have millions of more debt ridden tax paying worker bees. Not to improve your life. How many millions of American working women are on some form of anti-depressant??

 

Millions of women are stay at home moms. Millions work part time. If you want 100% safety never get married then. it is not for everyone. It is a risk for men too.

 

:lmao::lmao:

 

Now working causes depression :lmao:

[vonerik012]

I can tell you the women I know that are stay at home moms are FAR more fullfilled by raising their offspring, then bringing home a paycheck.

 

But, not all women have that option, so if you feeling work defines you, and is why you are here on Earth, go for it.

[vonerik012]

Tbf, I have been working since I am 16, but worked for myself for the past 8 years, so I never had a boss.

 

I do know that it is smarter to give to your family, than your career. One day after devoting a life to work you are just coldly handed walking papers, and then it is time to start all over.

 

I do think women should work, but it should be in a way that allows them plenty of time and freedom for themselves and family.

[Trialbyfire]

Tbf, I have been working since I am 16, but worked for myself for the past 8 years, so I never had a boss.

 

I do know that it is smarter to give to your family, than your career. One day after devoting a life to work you are just coldly handed walking papers, and then it is time to start all over.

 

I do think women should work, but it should be in a way that allows them plenty of time and freedom for themselves and family.

Men should also work but it should be in a way that allows them plenty of time and freedom for themselves and family. It's called balance in life, if you have a family. If you don't, you have the leisure to focus on career or whatever other pursuits you have.

 

I don't see any gender differences here. Just stop with the gender blaming or role defining.

[Jersey Shortie]

I think by stressing the importance of women not working, and a man working, you are indirectly devaluing a man's place in his families and wife's life. Isn't a man just as important to a family as a woman? I think it is about balance as well, as other posters have said.

[a4a]

I never watched Desparate Housewives...... isn't it about a bunch of unfulfilled housewives?

[vonerik012]

Sorry, men and women are different.

 

We expect different things. Why do you want to insist men and women are exactly the same? And have the same needs, goals, and desires?

 

You have a job.. Do all the people do 5% of everyone else's job just to feel good? Are the accountants doing some sales? And the attorneys doing some marketing? And the sales people doing some cleaning, and some legal work?

 

I just feel it is sad if 2 people go into a marriage, just partially. Is the woman still working just in case it does not work out? Should the man be stashing money away behind his wives back in case it does not work out?

 

Some of you act as if I am saying the woman should be doing all the work. I am actually willing to do more of the sacrifice in all ways, so that my wife and family can have a better, more enjoyable, care free life. That is who I am as a man, and that would be hard for me to change. I do not like the idea of a woman working to pay bills, while my kids are in day care with strangers.

 

yes, it would be best oif both people worked part time. But how often can that occur? Maybe if I was born in Sweden.

[Trialbyfire]

Why bother with having a father for your child, living with you when he's absentee, working more than being home? What kind of role model does he provide his children, rather than just another man who needs a mommy? The woman might as well be a single mother with two children, than a married mother, with one child and a childish father!