Feminism and weakening religion are the cause of increasing divorce rates

[Shygirl15]

Caroline, to be honest I share most of your beliefs and values except the 'bj per day' part.

[Scottdmw]

I am surprised by the level of defensiveness shown by the women on this site. I mean, the OP came in with her suggestion on how marriage could work well. This is a woman offering a suggestion, not someone shouting on the street corner forcing you to listen, yet everyone attacked her in a rather personal way. Eventually there was a more substantive discussion, but the knee-jerk reaction to "try tradional values" was "NO WAY, there is something wrong with you if you do that and I'm going to slander you while I'm at it"!

 

Ladies, this is someone offering an idea, not telling you what you need to do.

[Tomcat33]

I am surprised by the level of defensiveness shown by the women on this site. I mean, the OP came in with her suggestion on how marriage could work well. This is a woman offering a suggestion, not someone shouting on the street corner forcing you to listen, yet everyone attacked her in a rather personal way. Eventually there was a more substantive discussion, but the knee-jerk reaction to "try tradional values" was "NO WAY, there is something wrong with you if you do that and I'm going to slander you while I'm at it"!

 

Ladies, this is someone offering an idea, not telling you what you need to do.

 

 

Excuse me but all she offered in the opening post was give your man a b/j every night and know your role as a woman.

 

Last I checked my "role" is not of a sucking machine.

 

Despite the recent turmoil in my life (I was tempted to cheat on many occasions), I am proud to say that I have never been unfaithful to my husband. I know what my role is and how to keep my man happy. We've been married for many years now and I can't remember the last time my husband went to sleep without a blowjob. That's what he loves and it is my role and duty to satisfy him.

I know a lot of people would disagree with me but let me tell you that my man has his own duties too and I can appreciate the effort that he puts in to keep our family happy. I think that all of the women who are seeking for equality at all costs are killing their couple. And I think that too much liberalism has led to the disrespect of religion. That is another reason why there are so many divorces.

 

I think it's about time that the Western world realizes that some important changes are necessary. Women, know your role. And make sure religion is at the core of your lives. That is how you can achieve eternal happiness

 

Furthermore I don't any religion that states you should suck dick every night in order to be a good W.

 

It's laughable really.

 

give me REAL values and attributes you have contributed to a successful marriage and I am all ears. If I wanted to suck dick for a living I would make a living out of it, god knows i could make substantial money at it.

[Shygirl15]

Excuse me but all she offered in the opening post was give your man a b/j every night and know your role as a woman.

 

Last I checked my "role" is not of a sucking machine.

 

She explained her role in her marriage TC. She didn't force other women to do the same.

[Kamille]

I am surprised by the level of defensiveness shown by the women on this site. I mean, the OP came in with her suggestion on how marriage could work well. This is a woman offering a suggestion, not someone shouting on the street corner forcing you to listen, yet everyone attacked her in a rather personal way. Eventually there was a more substantive discussion, but the knee-jerk reaction to "try tradional values" was "NO WAY, there is something wrong with you if you do that and I'm going to slander you while I'm at it"!

 

Ladies, this is someone offering an idea, not telling you what you need to do.

 

I agree with you that the level of defensiveness went up, way up, but the OP's post was designed in a lot of ways to provoke this reaction. Why else would someone put Feminism and religion in the thread title if you don't want to provoke exactly the reaction that happened here?

 

As to the suggestions, I can't help to feel I'm being preached out when the OP and other posters assume that I'm delusional if I perceive myself as happy just because my life in now way fits traditional gender roles. Yes, in many ways, I am part of "the problem" according to advocates of traditional roles because my priorities don't involve finding a relationship at all costs and dedicating my life to making a man happy.

[Tomcat33]

She explained her role in her marriage TC. She didn't force other women to do the same.

 

And I explained my views SG and I am not forcing her to do otherwise.

What's it to you?

[Kamille]

She explained her role in her marriage TC. She didn't force other women to do the same.

 

I never question the right to live her life how she sees fit. What I refuse to put up with is someone telling me how I should lead my life and presuming to know what makes me happy.

 

She did generalize and preach her recipe to happiness to all women:

 

 

I think it's about time that the Western world realizes that some important changes are necessary. Women, know your role. And make sure religion is at the core of your lives. That is how you can achieve eternal happiness.

 

Caroline

[Shygirl15]

I never question the right to live her life how she sees fit. What I refuse to put up with is someone telling me how I should lead my life and presuming to know what makes me happy.

 

She was not telling you what to do Kamille, she was expressing her thoughts, and what she thinks is right. You guys disagree, totally fine. Let's simply agree to disagree and not lash out so much and make her look like this idiotic, dumb, wife sitting at home all day waiting to service her man.

[Tomcat33]

I never question the right to live her life how she sees fit. What I refuse to put up with is someone telling me how I should lead my life and presuming to know what makes me happy.

 

She did generalize and preach her recipe to happiness to all women:

 

Originally Posted by saiveca

I think it's about time that the Western world realizes that some important changes are necessary. Women, know your role. And make sure religion is at the core of your lives. That is how you can achieve eternal happiness.

 

Caroline

 

 

Exactly!!

 

And "make sure religion is at the core of your lives!?!?"

You mean like it's the core of the lives of Isreal and Palestine?

No thanks.

[Tomcat33]

 

Let's make her look like this idiotic, dumb, wife sitting at home all day waiting to service her man.

 

 

I think she did that all alone and with no help from anyone else. If you think she looks like all those things you mentioned those are your feelings.

[LionLover]

Religion? Say what, what say what???

 

I have two words:

David Koresh

 

Just saying....

 

Ok rant over.

:D:D:D:p:p

[Kamille]

 

She was not telling you what to do Kamille, she was expressing her thoughts, and what she thinks is right. You guys disagree, totally fine. Let's simply agree to disagree and not lash out so much and make her look like this idiotic, dumb, wife sitting at home all day waiting to service her man.

 

Shygirl, you are welcome to read al my posts on this thread and tell me where I lacked respect for Caroline.

 

She, however, showed a lack of respect for who I am by implying in her original post that as a woman, I didn't "know my role" in society. My beliefs differ from Caroline's and my choices and actions reflect that. I feel I contribute a lot to making the world a good place. I feel I have a good grasp of my role in society, even as it differs from hers. You won't find me on an internet forum telling Caroline that the way to "eternal happiness" is to become more like me.

[Tomcat33]

Religion? Say what, what say what???

 

I have two words:

David Koresh

 

Just saying....

 

Ok rant over.

:D:D:D:p:p

 

 

Jim Jones, Tom Cruise, Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell.....and I can go on and on, what was at the basis of those psychos?

 

 

Funny how a lot of the extreme and irrational views of society are founded by religion.

 

On the other hand a TRULY SPIRITUAL man like Mahatma Gandhi, not a religious overzealous nut, would have said the following brilliant words:

 

I cannot teach you violence, as I do not myself believe in it. I can only teach you not to bow your heads before any one even at the cost of your life.

 

or my favourite quote of all time:

 

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

 

Sprituality teaches you dignity, impotence breeds fundamentalism.

[vonerik012]

If you replace the word "submit" with "follow" or the term "be lead", I'm with you all the way!

!

 

Exactly. Find a man whom you respect, and allow him to lead.

 

So the woman gives HER HUSBAND a bj every night. Wow, what a horrible lady..

[LionLover]

Jim Jones, Tom Cruise, Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell.....and I can go on and on, what was at the basis of those psychos?

 

 

Funny how a lot of the extreme and irrational views of society are founded by religion.

 

On the other hand a TRULY SPIRITUAL man like Mahatma Gandhi, not a religious overzealous nut, would have said the following brilliant words:

 

I cannot teach you violence, as I do not myself believe in it. I can only teach you not to bow your heads before any one even at the cost of your life.

 

or my favourite quote of all time:

 

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

 

Sprituality teaches you dignity, impotence breeds fundamentalism.

 

Oh don't get me started on Tom Cruise.

 

Eh, to each thier own.

 

I personally like listening to U2 - their songs/lyrics are pretty inspiring.

 

And then of course, there's always the Vonmaster & his dumps

[vonerik012]

I am not religious, but do you ladies feel better putting religious fundamentalists down?

 

I guarantee the vast majority of Fundamentalist Muslim women would not want to trade places with most of you.

[LionLover]

I guarantee the vast majority of Fundamentalist Muslim women would not want to trade places with most of you.

 

That's good, I would not want to trade places with them either.

[vonerik012]

Here is an excerpt from an excellent article for you to read. it further illustrates why they are happy being a religious fundamentalist..

 

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/index1.html

 

Other cultures know this. I am not advocating a return to the days of hiding female sexuality, but I am noting that the power and charge of sex are maintained when there is some sacredness to it, when it is not on tap all the time. In many more traditional cultures, it is not prudery that leads them to discourage men from looking at pornography. It is, rather, because these cultures understand male sexuality and what it takes to keep men and women turned on to one another over time—to help men, in particular, to, as the Old Testament puts it, “rejoice with the wife of thy youth; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times.” These cultures urge men not to look at porn because they know that a powerful erotic bond between parents is a key element of a strong family.

 

 

 

And feminists have misunderstood many of these prohibitions.

 

 

 

I will never forget a visit I made to Ilana, an old friend who had become an Orthodox Jew in Jerusalem. When I saw her again, she had abandoned her jeans and T-shirts for long skirts and a head scarf. I could not get over it. Ilana has waist-length, wild and curly golden-blonde hair. “Can’t I even see your hair?” I asked, trying to find my old friend in there. “No,” she demurred quietly. “Only my husband,” she said with a calm sexual confidence, “ever gets to see my hair.”

 

 

 

When she showed me her little house in a settlement on a hill, and I saw the bedroom, draped in Middle Eastern embroideries, that she shares only with her husband—the kids are not allowed—the sexual intensity in the air was archaic, overwhelming. It was private. It was a feeling of erotic intensity deeper than any I have ever picked up between secular couples in the liberated West. And I thought: Our husbands see naked women all day—in Times Square if not on the Net. Her husband never even sees another woman’s hair.

 

 

 

She must feel, I thought, so hot.

 

 

 

Compare that steaminess with a conversation I had at Northwestern, after I had talked about the effect of porn on relationships. “Why have sex right away?” a boy with tousled hair and Bambi eyes was explaining. “Things are always a little tense and uncomfortable when you just start seeing someone,” he said. “I prefer to have sex right away just to get it over with. You know it’s going to happen anyway, and it gets rid of the tension.”

 

“Isn’t the tension kind of fun?” I asked. “Doesn’t that also get rid of the mystery?”

 

“Mystery?” He looked at me blankly. And then, without hesitating, he replied: “I don’t know what you’re talking about. Sex has no mystery.”

[LionLover]

let her breasts satisfy thee at all times

 

Teehee

 

(Ok ok Vonmeister, let me go read the article.)

[Tomcat33]

Teehee

 

(Ok ok Vonmeister, let me go read the article.)

 

 

That's all he does is site crap that he finds on the net and presents it as his own argument. He does not have one persoanl stance on any topic.

[vonerik012]

Here we go... Again, Tomcat has not one thing to say except to try and tear others down.

 

Stay on topic. read the rules.

[loveinlife]

Im reading a book recently and it does say both parties need to provide something that each other mate loves to deepen the relationship. So maybe that is your gift to him and his gift to you. Interesting thread. Still reading the book. thanks for the example and perspective. =)

[Kamille]

That's all he does is site crap that he finds on the net and presents it as his own argument. He does not have one persoanl stance on any topic.

 

Well it looks like he'll soon be moving to the Middle East anyways.

 

It's common knowledge after all that Middle Eastern women are ultimately happy with their lot.

 

I lived in the middle East and while I don't want to oversimplyify, I did find it disturbing that women crossed the street to avoid walking in front a café for fear of being called slutty. Or that a more progressive friend who wore a t-shirt one day was threatened by a group of 12 year old boys who told her they would cut her arms off if they ever saw her in Western dress again.

 

Oh! and let's not get into the whole polygamy debate.

 

Sure. All is well with gender relations in the Middle East. If anything, Von has now clearly shown is true colors.

[vonerik012]

LOL, my true colors? Those women experience sex, and being wanted more than you can ever imagine.

 

Last time I checked the USA was rape capital of the world. great gender relations.. Over a 50% divorce rate, women looked at as a means to just get off more and more...Wonderful!

 

If it isn't for you, then fine. Your life is not for them either. Trust me.

[Tomcat33]

Well it looks like he'll soon be moving to the Middle East anyways.

 

It's common knowledge after all that Middle Eastern women are ultimately happy with their lot.

 

I lived in the middle East and while I don't want to oversimplyify, I did find it disturbing that women crossed the street to avoid walking in front a café for fear of being called slutty. Or that a more progressive friend who wore a t-shirt one day was threatened by a group of 12 year old boys who told her they would cut her arms off if they ever saw her in Western dress again.

 

Oh! and let's not get into the whole polygamy debate.

 

Sure. All is well with gender relations in the Middle East. If anything, Von has now clearly shown is true colors.

 

 

Look not only that, but there are plenty Muslim women that went on to make documentaries and written books about opression and what women really feel and want. Talk to any Iranian woman and see how she really feels. Sure as a general concept I would also agree that for example communism has its charm I have been to communist countries and seen the charm in what little these people settle for yet how externally happy they are as a society. There are many different romantic aspects of a lot of those fundamentalist societies. But like anything in life all things in extreme become tainted and become outlived by it's participants, we by nature tend to want more and we also are intrinsically destructive so there is no way any of these templates work solely as a model for perfection nor can you say one group is much happier than another.

 

Another thing that seems to be completey overlooked is the men's roles in these fundamentalist religious cultures where the women are completely devoted to their men, well guess what, the men are not having sex or kissing women before marriage, what do you say we propose that to western man? If he wants total devotion from women because that is what makes a better world, can he castrate himself until marriage, ONLY sleep with one woman his entire life and be faithful to her the whole time? DOUBT IT! Western men haven't a clue what it is like to devote himself to one woman in mind soul and body, HAVEN'T A CLUE. But Muslim men do not even get to touch a woman before the marry not even a kiss. I have literally met 46 yr old muslim virgin men who have never even known what it is like to kiss a woman.

 

What I have also seen in such communities is for example the Sikhs and Punjabee women getting completey shafted, a lifetime of servitude for their men while they run around and feck everything that moves and it is supposed to be accepted because me do that and men are "more sexual"

 

In some of these culters the women get shafted while the men get it all.:rolleyes::rolleyes: There aren't enough rolly eyes to mirror my sentiment.

 

Take a HIKE will ya?