The new sexual revolution: Porn, Swingers, and shifting moralities

[tanbark813]

It comes down to what is best for society as a whole, because as you said, standards, morals and right/wrong are all that of ones personal views.

 

What is best for society as a whole is also a personal opinion and there are many schools of thought on the subject ("greatest good for the greatest number", "end justifies the means", etc...)

 

These type of relationships are damaging to society as they promote the destruction of the family structure.

 

This assumes they promote destruction of the family structure and also assumes that family structure is most important for maintaining the good of society. Again, those are opinions and not universal, natural truths.

[soserious1]

If men keep putting the pressure on, who knows, maybe soon women will be forced to pay men money for having sex with them.

[Agoraphobianebula]

And JS, let me beat you to it, you will come back and say someone does get hurt in porn. You will cite the women who are getting paid millions to act. Women who freely chose this "degrading" profession to make a buck and in turn, carved out a nice ass living for themselves out of it. You will cite the innocent and the abused who got conned into peforming in porn by some sleazy director. The innocent and the abused who, when they found the evil and brutality in porn, didn't do what common sense would dictate- admit a mistake and get the hell out of dodge.

 

You will cite the portrayal of perfectly shaped big boobed women who are used, through porn, to perpetuate the objectification of women. Yet you will conveniently ignore the massive and still growing amature porn industry (absolutely free by the way). Where every day couples like you and I choose to put their sexual activities on film, in all it's love handles, droopy boobed and stretch marked imperfection. You know, the ones where no one ever gets called sluts or whores, where even though the guy may finish in his girlfriend's face, she's sitting there squealing with excitement, not because she is paid or forced to squeal or but because someone she loves just finished on her face, hahaha.

[Dark-N-Romantic]

Our sexuality is as much a part of nature and life as food, the birds, rain, etc. But, the problem with revolutions is that usually it is a violent change and what was good usually gets trampled on and thrown away with the bad. We loose the reason for why things might be better a certain way and the knew only answers the instant gratifications of the populace.

 

In short, it is always good to gain more knowledge, but too many times it has been proven that that knowledge overrides wisdom and understanding and wind up bitting us in the butt in the end. This is why I am open to sexploration, but I still hold that it should be done between a man and his wife.

 

 

DNR

[Jersey Shortie]

Hon, you just upheld my point, Executive director, Janitor, Pornstar, a honest living is still a honest living but you will encourage your children to pick exactly one of those 3 professions now, wouldn't you? I don't exactly see a parent cheering on a child who's dream is to be a High School Janitor, do you? would you?

So the argument that you shouldn't watch porn because you won't encourage your children to be pornstars is a little distorted, don't you think? I won't encourage my kids to become janitors but I still use the services of a Janitor, don't I?

Oh wait, right, I forgot, Porn is evil but being a janitor isn't?

 

I think I already shared my view point on this. I am not under the misnomer that being a janitor makes a person less of a person, or that being a porn star makes a person less of a person. Or that being an Exectutive Director by default of title, makes you important. I don't believe a janitor is being degraded by doing their job. I do believe a porn actress is in most cases. You want to compare professions that have nothing to do with each other then people's perception of what is respectible and what isn't. This has never been my argument. I think I am completely valid in seeing the hypcroiscy in men with wives, daughters and loved ones thinking that it's okay to disrespect women in general, as long as it's not "their" woman being disrespected. I don't see what being a janitor has to do with the dichotomy of a pornstar.

 

"...and not in any of it have you made any insinuation or even hinted that even though you personally don't agree with porn, you respect other people's choices to do as they please in their own relationships."

 

 

I respect people's right to choose. Don't mistake that with respecting people's choices. It makes no matter if the issue is sex, religion, politics or how to raise children. We all respec the right for poeple to choose how they do these things. We all don't always respect the choices other people make.

 

 

"And get it right, accepting other people's behavior is not the same as respecting their choice to conduct live as they see fit. That is not an ideaology, it's basic human decency."

 

Yes, basic human decency is the main issue isn't. I find it ironic that we are all searching for basic human decency and less likly to give it.

 

I absolutely respect your choice not to want anything to do with porn.

 

You might respect my choice not to have anything to do with porn but you don't respect my choice to talk about it. Selective respect perhaps?

 

This is a bold face lie, yes you have. Pull up all your anti-porn posts and re-read them, yes you have so don't even try and backpedal now.

 

THAT is a blod face lie. I have never ONCE said the only reason a woman would enjoy porn is because she is doing so for a man. I have agreed that there are women that do enjoy it. And there are many women that don't. Where exactly is the backpedal? This is where any part of your argument looses it's ground.

 

Besides, I don't exactly see you admitting that yes there are indeed women who enjoy porn as sexual stimulant and nothing more.

 

I am sure there are and never claimed other wise. To think I have is your own faulty research.

 

You argue the detriments of porn, A woman comes back and says, well her experience with it is actually contrary to your views. Common sense says, well, to each his own. But you don't agree with common sense.

 

If "common sense" was "to each his own". I guess we could use that argument for seriel killers.. "Well to each his own".

 

And JS, let me beat you to it, you will come back and say someone does get hurt in porn. You will cite the women who are getting paid millions to act. Women who freely chose this "degrading" profession to make a buck and in turn, carved out a nice ass living for themselves out of it.

 

Porn has a high turn over rate. The amount of women that are making millions of bucks and carving a nice living for themselve are rare and few inbetween. Most women in porn don't end up like Jemma Jamison (not that she is someone you want to end up like anyway). The average woman in porn lasts 6 months-year. Within that time frame she is expected to do more and more graphic movies and sexual acts. This is more often then not the common experience with women in porn. Not the success and riches of Jemma Jamison. Most young women in porn aren't making a nice ass living and living the high life.

 

 

You will cite the portrayal of perfectly shaped big boobed women who are used, through porn, to perpetuate the objectification of women. Yet you will conveniently ignore the massive and still growing amature porn industry (absolutely free by the way). Where every day couples like you and I choose to put their sexual activities on film, in all it's love handles, droopy boobed and stretch marked imperfection. You know, the ones where no one ever gets called sluts or whores, where even though the guy may finish in his girlfriend's face, she's sitting there squealing with excitement, not because she is paid or forced to squeal or but because someone she loves just finished on her face, hahaha.

 

Yeah I can see the love. Maybe we should make amature movies of men being used for money and women can masturbate to that.

[manugeorge]

The use of blanket qualifiers is what's detrimental and therefore weakens your arguments JS. While, in one statement you admit that you don't want to dictate people's feelings or choices and that there are women who genuinely enjoy porn, and also that sexual activities between two people in a relationship is indeed private. In the next statement, you go right to using those blanket qualifiers of Men, women, most men, majority, etc. It's very confusing to decipher what you really mean. One would think if you really believe that not everyone shares your views, you would simply just insert the word "some" at the beginning of your posts. I don't suppose that's advanced writing skills. It seems that you DO desire to apply your views to all and you do think that all women share your views but when someone calls you out on it, you try to save face by quickly retorting that you never said this or that.

 

I don't know, the inconsistency is just all over the place, I get confused:confused:

[Mr. Lucky]

I don't think men are bringing porn into their life or their partner's life is with the pure intention of thinking about their partner or thinking about and respecting women in a way that women deserve to be thought about and respected.

So "women" deserve to be respected? No arguement there but your respect doesn't seem to extend to those that would choose to appear in porn, based on your assumption that they all must be operating in a drug-addled haze. You can't accept that they are exercising their own free will?

 

Mr. Lucky

[morelaugh]

 

I have no daughters, so if that means I'm not qualified to answer this question, don't bother reading my response.

 

Still there? Good.

 

Not only would I not object to my (hypothetical) daughter being in a relationship with a man who uses porn, I'd feel bad if she had such low self esteem that her husband using porn threatened her, or if she had such a poor relationship with her own sexuality that she didn't use it herself. Humans watching other humans having sex on film is like sports lovers watching others playing sports. In a healthy relationship, it causes no problems.

 

To be honest, if I heard this from a man who actually, not hypothetically, has daughters, it would make me to seriously review my opinion.

[sxyNYCcpl]

These type of relationships are damaging to society as they promote the destruction of the family structure.

 

We've covered a LOT of ground on this thread, what "types" of relationships exactly are damaging to society? How exactly do they promote the destruction of family structure?

[mrsT]

Relationships where sex is involved and long term commitment is absent. These kinds of relationships encourage people to be selfish and to use people by condoning it. They lack safeguards against it. These kinds of relationships dehumanize people. They break hearts.

 

If you are saying it's modern to be selfish, I don't think it is anything new. What has changed is it is less acceptable to reproach people for it.

[Jersey Shortie]

The use of blanket qualifiers is what's detrimental and therefore weakens your arguments JS. While, in one statement you admit that you don't want to dictate people's feelings or choices and that there are women who genuinely enjoy porn, and also that sexual activities between two people in a relationship is indeed private. In the next statement, you go right to using those blanket qualifiers of Men, women, most men, majority, etc. It's very confusing to decipher what you really mean. One would think if you really believe that not everyone shares your views, you would simply just insert the word "some" at the beginning of your posts. I don't suppose that's advanced writing skills. It seems that you DO desire to apply your views to all and you do think that all women share your views but when someone calls you out on it, you try to save face by quickly retorting that you never said this or that.

 

 

There is no inconsistency. There is no back tracking. That is merely your interpretation for what I have said. Perhaps you should ask instead of making your own qualifiers.

 

I've stated what I believe. I believe many others feel the same way. I believe many others don't. I think arguing the semantics because I don't use the word "some" is really picking the needle out of the haystack to argue about. How many different issues have I brought up in these threads that are ignored and you want to address the fact that I do or don't use "some". Funny that.

 

I do think that there is truth in stereotypes *sometimes*. I do think we all talk in qualifiers *sometimes* and talk about what our main experience as been. Picking me out, is more about personal attacks then discussing the topic at hand. The confusion you have is because you fail to dispatcher the difference in me agreeing that people deserve to have the right to choose what they want. That doesn't mean I will or do or even have to respect their choices or will have such an attitude to *stand by* them for it just because that is the politically correct thing to do. I stand by people's right to choose what they want. That doesn't mean I stand by their choice or am under the belief that respecting it means not speaking out against it if I think it’s something that isn’t right. It’s funny how many judgments I am not allowed or suppose to have when judgments are riddled all over this topic, even from the people that are telling me that I shouldn’t have judgments.

 

So "women" deserve to be respected? No arguement there but your respect doesn't seem to extend to those that would choose to appear in porn, based on your assumption that they all must be operating in a drug-addled haze. You can't accept that they are exercising their own free will?

 

Mr. Lucky

 

 

Here is the issue here. People, you included now Mr.Lucky, are filling in their own gaps on things I haven't said based on what they think I've said. I know for a fact that I never said that everyone in the porn business is always drug-addled. Although I do agree many of them use drugs or get invovled with drugs at some point. I actually have never discussed the issue of drugs while discussing this issue. Please do not put phrases in my mouth, or under my fingers in this case, that I never said. Please do not fill in the gaps with your own judgments based on what you think I would say.

 

I fully accept that these people accept their own free will of being in the porn business. But please tell me what that has to do with men with wives and daughters and girlfriends making the choice to view porn? I believe the two issues to be seperate ones. Unless you are justifying men's porn use on the fact that people infact do porn. Which I can't understand because the two are seperate issues. And a man's porn use shouldn't be excusable based on the fact that others choose to do porn. Do you agree or disagree with that?

 

As for how far my respect extends, how am I or have I disrespected people in the porn world? Where have I called them names? Where have I said they were less? I find it competely strange that you are condeming me for the supposed disrespect I have given people of the porn world where *most* men readily admit that they have little respect of place little value for women in it. You want to talk about disrespect? Please, lets do so. But lets be honest.

[The Collector]

To be honest, if I heard this from a man who actually, not hypothetically, has daughters, it would make me to seriously review my opinion.

 

Questions we accept, rightly or wrongly, a father might often ask of his daughter's potential paramours -

 

Does he use drugs?

Does he treat you well?

Does he have a good job?

Does he have a criminal record?

Does he/you use birth control?

What's his religion/ethinicity?

What are his political views?

 

A question I find it hard to imagine many fathers asking -

 

Does he watch porn?

[sxyNYCcpl]

Relationships where sex is involved and long term commitment is absent. These kinds of relationships encourage people to be selfish and to use people by condoning it. They lack safeguards against it. These kinds of relationships dehumanize people. They break hearts.

 

What is it about sex for the sake of sex, for pure pleasure absent any kind of commitment, that you find objectionable?

 

Why is a long term romantic relationship necessary to justify sexual activity?

[sxyNYCcpl]

There is no inconsistency.

 

JS, the early commenter in this thread about opening a can of worms was right. You've turned this into yet another thread about how you hate porn, and why nobody should use it.

 

The ever increasing use of porn by men, women, and couples was certainly part of my original point about society's changing attitudes towards sexuality, but you continue to go on and on about the evils of porn within a relationship, which is, at best, peripherally related, and IMO, not even peripherally. There's an active porn thread, could you take this particular argument over there? Hell, I may even join in the fun, being the masochist that I am, but this thread is not about that subject.

[Jersey Shortie]

 

A question I find it hard to imagine many fathers asking -

 

Does he watch porn?

 

Of course father's would never ask this question. Mainly because many fathers watch their own fair share of porn themselves despite having had or having a relationship with the girls mother. There just seems to be a general lack of respect for women all around. How men seperate the two seems cold and partly about control.

 

Do fathers really want their daughters to be having relationship with young men today that have been exposed to the kind of porn that is now out there? Do father's really want their daughters to be having relationship s with men that like seeing other women degraded, called whores, have 5 guys have sex with one girl at once? Maybe they do. Maybe father's don't care because they view these thigns themselves. I just question how men expect women to want to be vunerable with them and respect them when the thigns men really desire are seeing women exploited at the cost of his orgasm.

[grogster]

JS, the early commenter in this thread about opening a can of worms was right. You've turned this into yet another thread about how you hate porn, and why nobody should use it.

 

The ever increasing use of porn by men, women, and couples was certainly part of my original point about society's changing attitudes towards sexuality, but you continue to go on and on about the evils of porn within a relationship, which is, at best, peripherally related, and IMO, not even peripherally. There's an active porn thread, could you take this particular argument over there? Hell, I may even join in the fun, being the masochist that I am, but this thread is not about that subject.

 

I second that recommendation.

[quankanne]

the outcome of which will be a healthier, happier, more open relationship with our own sexuality, but there are some people who are emphatically NOT happy about it.

 

it's not the particular type of relationship that's damaging to society, but this kind of mindset you're embracing. Why should someone who upholds a particular belief be happy when they're in a relationship with someone who has contrary belief? THAT is when someone gets unhappy.

 

and frankly, suggesting that porn, swinging and other morally salacious activities is going to cause a more "open, healthier, happier" society is bullshxt. You don't have to wade in the cesspool to be happy that you're getting wet.

[manugeorge]

What is it about sex for the sake of sex, for pure pleasure absent any kind of commitment, that you find objectionable?

 

Why is a long term romantic relationship necessary to justify sexual activity?

 

You often can't make people think outside the box or question values, morals, codes, etc, that has been passed on to them from generation till generation. It is what we know, it is our reality, it is a societal construct that has been handed down to us since the beginning of time. Asking someone to look outside that box for a moment is essentially trying to torpedo their reality and you best bet they will fight you before allowing that to happen.

 

Sex for the sake of enjoyment, I'm sure, is not going to make the world stop turning and no one is going to spontaneously combust during the act. No, your soul will not be corrupted and your insides will not slowly rot away BUT it is not something acceptable in society which is why people rarely do it and will defend not doing it. Our society was developed and sustained on puritanical values. There is no getting away from that, not any time soon.

 

Take for example, I was raised in a society that condoned, encouraged and even mandated corporal punishment for children. They act up, you whoop them and you whoop them hard too. That is the way everyone in that country raises their child, no one ever questions it, no one ever calls it child abuse, not the parents or the children think of it as a big deal. It's just life to them, their reality. You are born into it, you grow into it and It is what you consider normal. Caning and beating is the equivalent of dishing out "time outs". It's just what people do.

If you go into this country and suggested the possibility of raising a well adjusted child without literally whipping him/her into shape as a youth, they'll just look at you like you have two heads. And they will ofcourse tell you you don't know what you're talking about and you are trying to destroy the society's family structure, etc.

 

It's not different from this argument we're having. We all speak based on what society has ingrained in us as "right" and "wrong". Objective thinking is for crazy people, that's why they call it playing the devil's advocate.

[The Collector]

Of course father's would never ask this question. Mainly because many fathers watch their own fair share of porn themselves despite having had or having a relationship with the girls mother.

 

As do many of the mothers.

[sxyNYCcpl]

and frankly, suggesting that porn, swinging and other morally salacious activities is going to cause a more "open, healthier, happier" society is bullshxt.

 

Ah, but what makes them "morally salacious"?

[manugeorge]

I fully accept that these people accept their own free will of being in the porn business. But please tell me what that has to do with men with wives and daughters and girlfriends making the choice to view porn? I believe the two issues to be seperate ones. Unless you are justifying men's porn use on the fact that people infact do porn. Which I can't understand because the two are seperate issues. And a man's porn use shouldn't be excusable based on the fact that others choose to do porn. Do you agree or disagree with that?

 

As for how far my respect extends, how am I or have I disrespected people in the porn world? Where have I called them names? Where have I said they were less? I find it competely strange that you are condeming me for the supposed disrespect I have given people of the porn world where *most* men readily admit that they have little respect of place little value for women in it. You want to talk about disrespect? Please, lets do so. But lets be honest.

 

See, there is that inconsistency again. You admitted above that you fully accept people's free will to be pornstars. But by the same token, don't people, i.e, porn watchers have the same free will to view porn? Or is free will something we ration to some people but not others? People make porn and people watch porn. Freewill being exercised on both sides. No?

 

And as to not watching porn because you don't respect pornstars, is this mutually exclusive? Anthony Hopkins played a Serial Killer in the Hannibal Lecter movies, people don't respect serial killers nor do they condone serial killing but yet they still watched and loved the movie. I don't know how many people respect or disrespect Anthony Hopkins because he played Hannibal Lecter. Which is why I don't really get the reasoning that men don't respect pornstars, therefore, shouldn't watch porn. What has the character somebody plays on screen has to do with whether or not they are respected or whether or not we should watch the movie and enjoy what they represent onscreen?.

 

Pornstars are actors, not prostitutes or sluts, they are playing a part of sex craved maniacs, moaning, groaning, changing poses, surgically enhancing their bodies to portray an image they have been paid to portray. How is that different from what Tom Hanks in Castaway or Christian Bale in America Pyscho? Sure pornstars are actually having sex for all to see (a route I may not take personally) but is it any different for movies we watch everyday? Especially movies these days where "legitimate" actors strip down to their bare ass and grind on other legitimate actors to simulate a sex scene. The way this is done sometimes makes me blush because you see everything BUT the money shots.

 

And JS, when you type words, I am going to interpret them based on what you typed, based on what I read on screen and the way it comes across not what you meant to say, I'm not in your mind thus I don't know what you really meant to say, I have nothing else to go on but what you typed. The burden is on you to make sure your words accurately convey what you mean to say that way people don't misinterpret you.

 

And you say you've brought up a lot of issues that people have ignored, what about issues people have brought up that you have ignored?

 

Are women with husbands and daughters who watch porn also disrespectful to women? or are they disrespectful to the men in their lives?

 

Do amature porn, housewives porn, pregnant porn, granny porn, fatty porn and all other kinds of porn that don't depict 25 year old big boobed, perfect body women objectify women? Do these other kinds of porn tell women they have to be "perfect" to be attractive? If your answer to these questions is Yes, please explain why/how. And if your answer is No, then is it ok to watch these kinds of porn?

 

All men who watch porn don't respect women in their lives right? I mean it's impossible to respect your woman when you watch porn, right? That whole mutual exclusivity thing.

How about women like me, who feel respected, loved and cared for, yet my boyfriend still watches porn?. What do you make of that? Are these women just delusional? or is it possible afterall for a man-some men to watch porn and still respect women?

 

How about those of us, women, who actually see some sexual activity in porn and want our boyfriend to perform it on us? I mean is it always the other way around? I asked my BF for anal sex because I noticed in porn that it doesn't look like it hurt as much as I think it does. And he kept hesitating asking me if I'm sure I want to go through with it. Please humor me and tell me what you make of that?

[sxyNYCcpl]

You often can't make people think outside the box or question values, morals, codes, etc, that has been passed on to them from generation till generation. It is what we know, it is our reality, it is a societal construct that has been handed down to us since the beginning of time. Asking someone to look outside that box for a moment is essentially trying to torpedo their reality and you best bet they will fight you before allowing that to happen.

 

You are right, of course. But that's why I asked the question, to try to probe deeper into the why's behind our "standards".

 

Porn is bad. Why?

 

Sexual monogamy is the right way, indeed the ONLY way. Again, why?

 

Certain sexual acts are degrading. Really? Why exactly is that?

 

Women are supposed to save themselves for marriage, and even then not act like a "slut" with their husband. Are you sensing a theme here?

 

The fact is, our sexuality has historically been defined by a very, very long list of things we're supposed to NOT do. Don't have premarital sex, don't have oral sex, don't watch other people having sex, don't let other people watching you have sex, don't participate in orgies, don't this, don't that, don't the other.

 

To which I say why not? And "because it's immoral" isn't an answer. Why is it immoral? I think for those who can drill all the way through their preconceptions (which, as you rightfully pointed out, is an extremely difficult thing to do) most will find that there is no underlying reason, indeed that we do what we do because we were told that's what we were supposed to do and for no other reason.

[manugeorge]

You are right, of course. But that's why I asked the question, to try to probe deeper into the why's behind our "standards".

 

Porn is bad. Why?

 

Sexual monogamy is the right way, indeed the ONLY way. Again, why?

 

Certain sexual acts are degrading. Really? Why exactly is that?

 

Women are supposed to save themselves for marriage, and even then not act like a "slut" with their husband. Are you sensing a theme here?

 

The fact is, our sexuality has historically been defined by a very, very long list of things we're supposed to NOT do. Don't have premarital sex, don't have oral sex, don't watch other people having sex, don't let other people watching you have sex, don't participate in orgies, don't this, don't that, don't the other.

 

To which I say why not? And "because it's immoral" isn't an answer. Why is it immoral? I think for those who can drill all the way through their preconceptions (which, as you rightfully pointed out, is an extremely difficult thing to do) most will find that there is no underlying reason, indeed that we do what we do because we were told that's what we were supposed to do and for no other reason.

 

I concur, a lot of things are just what they are because that is the way they've always been and hey, if they've worked well so far, why question them? why even attempt to change them, why wonder? Then again, if no one ever questioned the theory of the flatness of the earth, I guess it's something we'd still believe till this day.

 

I fully admit though that I am one of those people who will fight you on trying to challenge my perceptions. Perhaps it's human nature, I don't know. I don't believe in pre-marital sex or in sexual promiscuity, swinging, orgies, etc, why? well because your body should be something you save for someone very special, your soul mate perhaps. And why should you save your body for a soul mate? That I don't know, you just should!. See.., I don't want someone to come and start rocking my boat all willy nilly:D

[JackJack]

You are right, of course. But that's why I asked the question, to try to probe deeper into the why's behind our "standards".

 

Porn is bad. Why?

 

Sexual monogamy is the right way, indeed the ONLY way. Again, why?

 

Certain sexual acts are degrading. Really? Why exactly is that?

 

Women are supposed to save themselves for marriage, and even then not act like a "slut" with their husband. Are you sensing a theme here?

 

The fact is, our sexuality has historically been defined by a very, very long list of things we're supposed to NOT do. Don't have premarital sex, don't have oral sex, don't watch other people having sex, don't let other people watching you have sex, don't participate in orgies, don't this, don't that, don't the other.

 

To which I say why not? And "because it's immoral" isn't an answer. Why is it immoral? I think for those who can drill all the way through their preconceptions (which, as you rightfully pointed out, is an extremely difficult thing to do) most will find that there is no underlying reason, indeed that we do what we do because we were told that's what we were supposed to do and for no other reason.

 

Honestly, what difference does it really make?

 

People bang their heads against the wall trying to understand WHY some people love porn and WHY others do not. THe same goes for affairs, or swinging or kinky sex or whatever.

 

It serves no purpose to comtinue to WONDER why some do not like the things you like or vice versa. I'm not saying things shouldn't be discussed etc, after all it is a forum, but its the same thing over and over again. This one doesn't get why this one over here doesn't like porn, and this one doesn't get why this one loves to swing etc etc.

 

I'm sure people's reasons can sometimes go alot deeper than what we think for WHY some like or dislike things. Even if it were all out on the table and explined what that might be, someone, somewhere along the way will have an issue with it.

 

People should live their life how they feel best suits them and not worry so much about the WHYS of things.

 

My 2 cents, nothing more nothing less.

[quankanne]

Porn is bad. Why? And because it belittles women and it belittles sex, and sex is truly a glorious act of nature. Not some objectified act solely designed to help someone get their rocks off. In my humble opinion, that is.

 

Sexual monogamy is the right way, indeed the ONLY way. Again, why? it's the right way for me, and God willing, my partner. Everyone else can do whatever floats their boat.

 

Certain sexual acts are degrading. Really? Why exactly is that? because I find them demeaning. Again, this is personal opinion, and others can do whatever pleases them.

 

Women are supposed to save themselves for marriage, and even then not act like a "slut" with their husband. Are you sensing a theme here?

 

but isn't this thing about women mandated by MEN, the same guys who centuries later are now telling us that in order to be considered acceptable, we've got to act like porn stars, emaciate ourselves to the point of ill health and get fake boobs just because THEY find it pleasing? And now some silly boy is wondering now why it's so wrong that we've been repressed sexually? And thinks that porn and alternate sexualities will enhance women?

 

dude, please! :laugh: