rainfall Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 It depends on her reasons, doesn't it? If she trusts her SO, there shouldn't be a problem (unless she has moral/ethical issues with it). You can't make blanket statements re: men and strip clubs. Some guys actually don't enjoy that kind of stuff. Hell, I wouldn't mind visiting one sometime. I'm sure I'd get a kick out of it. Why shouldn't someone feel insecure if her man wants to go out and pay someone money to turn him on sexually? To some women that is the same as cheating so why should she not feel insecure about it? Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Why shouldn't someone feel insecure if her man wants to go out and pay someone money to turn him on sexually? To some women that is the same as cheating so why should she not feel insecure about it? Believe it or not, not all guys are turned on by strippers. The idea of a random woman (who has been God knows where) rubbing up on them doesn't appeal to them. Still, some go with their friends (esp. if it's a bachelor party) to celebrate their friend's last day of bachelorhood. A woman who feels insecure because her SO has gone to a strip club for a BACHELOR PARTY needs to re-evaluate realtionship (Laurie, this isn't directed at you, I mean it generally). I don't see what the big deal is. Sure, if he's a jerk who drools at the sight of women and has given you reason to think he might be unfaithful, it's understandable. However, if he's in a stable, committed relationship, it's not such a big deal. Plus, most guys I know don't really give a hoot about strip clubs. They'd rather go to the bar and drink beer and watch a game. Link to post Share on other sites
rainfall Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 A woman who feels insecure because her SO has gone to a strip club for a BACHELOR PARTY needs to re-evaluate realtionship (Laurie, this isn't directed at you, I mean it generally). I don't see what the big deal is. Sure, if he's a jerk who drools at the sight of women and has given you reason to think he might be unfaithful, it's understandable. However, if he's in a stable, committed relationship, it's not such a big deal. Plus, most guys I know don't really give a hoot about strip clubs. They'd rather go to the bar and drink beer and watch a game. I don't care why my SO goes to a strip club. (Laurie this isn't directed at you or your guy.) If a guy loves a chick enough to spend the rest of his life with her he shouldn't need or want to have some naked chick all over him. He should find that idea disgusting. I don't care why my SO goes to a strip club. It is a deal breaker either way for me. Just because his friend is getting married he should not get a free pass to cheat on me. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I don't care why my SO goes to a strip club. (Laurie this isn't directed at you or your guy.) If a guy loves a chick enough to spend the rest of his life with her he shouldn't need or want to have some naked chick all over him. He should find that idea disgusting. I don't care why my SO goes to a strip club. It is a deal breaker either way for me. Just because his friend is getting married he should not get a free pass to cheat on me. I kindly suggest you re-read what I wrote. If my bf went to a strip club, I wouldn't care. Why? B/c I trust him and I know he doesn't find the idea so appealing. I'm more interested in visiting a strip club than he is. However, he recently went on a bachelor party (to another city) with his friends and visiting a strip club was on their itinerary (if they were up to it). They didn't end up going. The wives and gfs were privy to all the pics they took and it was a bunch of men drinking, clubbing, etc. None of us were alarmed or upset at the prospect of them possibly going to a SC. We frankly didn't care. I respect that this is YOUR opinion and what YOU want for YOUR relationship. But please, don't try to shove what you believe down my throat. Link to post Share on other sites
rainfall Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I kindly suggest you re-read what I wrote. If my bf went to a strip club, I wouldn't care. Why? B/c I trust him and I know he doesn't find the idea so appealing. I'm more interested in visiting a strip club than he is. However, he recently went on a bachelor party (to another city) with his friends and visiting a strip club was on their itinerary (if they were up to it). They didn't end up going. The wives and gfs were privy to all the pics they took and it was a bunch of men drinking, clubbing, etc. None of us were alarmed or upset at the prospect of them possibly going to a SC. We frankly didn't care. I respect that this is YOUR opinion and what YOU want for YOUR relationship. But please, don't try to shove what you believe down my throat. Thats fine if YOU don't care. However please don't try to defend the guys who want to go or make me change my opinon of them. If you are ok with your guy going to look at other women and possibly have them touch him thats great. However don't tell me I am insecure because even if its a bachelor party I would find it wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Thats fine if YOU don't care. However please don't try to defend the guys who want to go or make me change my opinon of them. If you are ok with your guy going to look at other women and possibly have them touch him thats great. However don't tell me I am insecure because even if its a bachelor party I would find it wrong. rainfall, your condescending tone says it all. Rather than debate fairly and without attacking me, you resort to jabs and insinuations. What does that tell you? To each her own, my dear. Link to post Share on other sites
rainfall Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 rainfall, your condescending tone says it all. Rather than debate fairly and without attacking me, you resort to jabs and insinuations. What does that tell you? To each her own, my dear. You want to talk down to me and tell me I am insecure because I find strip clubs disgusting even if its for a bachelor party. How exactly did I attack you? If he goes to a strip club he is going to be looking at naked chicks and there is a chance one of them will touch him. So how is that attacking you? Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 You want to talk down to me and tell me I am insecure because I find strip clubs disgusting even if its for a bachelor party. How exactly did I attack you? If he goes to a strip club he is going to be looking at naked chicks and there is a chance one of them will touch him. So how is that attacking you? Again, read what you wrote. I never said you were being insecure. If you take a moral stance against strip clubs, that's cool. Do you feel the same way about porn? Link to post Share on other sites
rainfall Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Again, read what you wrote. I never said you were being insecure. If you take a moral stance against strip clubs, that's cool. Do you feel the same way about porn? I just don't see why you need to bring other people into a relationship. I don't want or need anyone but my SO so I would want the same from him. I think porn is a sign something is missing in the relationship. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I just don't see why you need to bring other people into a relationship. I don't want or need anyone but my SO so I would want the same from him. I think porn is a sign something is missing in the relationship. OK, fair enough. So long as you and your SO are comfortable and share mutual trust, it really doesn't matter what others think, right? Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Shortie Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 A woman who feels insecure because her SO has gone to a strip club for a BACHELOR PARTY needs to re-evaluate realtionship (Laurie, this isn't directed at you, I mean it generally). I do accept that some women don't mind their SO going to strip clubs. I however don't really think the OP is one that doesn't completely mind. I would also like to return your advice and say that you and others should accept the fact that issues with strip clubs in a relationship isn't necessarily about trust but has more to do with what one might consider outside the boundries of respect. It's a very personal thing. If it was such a black and white issue it wouldn't get the response it does to begin with. I actually tyink most men regonize that it's not the nicest way to behave. How many men do you really think go to appease their friends? Majority? Half? Less then half? Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I do accept that some women don't mind their SO going to strip clubs. I however don't really think the OP is one that doesn't completely mind. I would also like to return your advice and say that you and others should accept the fact that issues with strip clubs in a relationship isn't necessarily about trust but has more to do with what one might consider outside the boundries of respect. It's a very personal thing. If it was such a black and white issue it wouldn't get the response it does to begin with. I actually tyink most men regonize that it's not the nicest way to behave. How many men do you really think go to appease their friends? Majority? Half? Less then half? I agree. It's what each couple decides is appropriate and acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Shortie Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Except, I think in most cases, the woman ends up "putting up with it" but it's not really an agreement on what is best for the relationship. And then she gets feed lines about " he will really be thinking about you." What man that wants to got to a strip club that is in the middle of pretty, young naked women is going to be thinking about how lucky and how much he misses his SO? Ocean-Blue, how many men do you really think go to appease their friends? Majority? Half? Less then half? Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Except, I think in most cases, the woman ends up "putting up with it" but it's not really an agreement on what is best for the relationship. And then she gets feed lines about " he will really be thinking about you." What man that wants to got to a strip club that is in the middle of pretty, young naked women is going to be thinking about how lucky and how much he misses his SO? Ocean-Blue, how many men do you really think go to appease their friends? Majority? Half? Less then half? Jersey, I can't speak for all men. The only two men I really have gotten to know, however, I can speak for. Both my ex and bf don't find strip clubs appealing. My ex was a devout Catholic and found strip clubs to be demeaning. He also thought the objectifying of women was a sin (as per the Church). My bf thinks doesn't like it so much either b/c he doesn't like the idea of a stripper all over him b/c he doesn't know where she's been (he's a bit of a clean freak). To be honest, most of the guys in my life aren't big fans of strip clubs. Myself and my female friends are more interested in this kind of stuff (though I have yet to visit one). I'll be honest and admit that if I were seeing a man that was eager to visit a SC, I'd be annoyed. I mean, if he was going b/c it was a friend's bachelor party, that's OK...but if he was actively pursuing this "activity", I'd be miffed. However, I wouldn't necessarily see it as a negative reflection of our R. Link to post Share on other sites
rainfall Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 OK, fair enough. So long as you and your SO are comfortable and share mutual trust, it really doesn't matter what others think, right? It does matter because I really don't like people telling me I am an insecure controlling person. Why do you feel a bachelor party is ok? (just wondering) I can't understand the whole "free pass" thing alot of guys are given when it comes to a bachelor party. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 It does matter because I really don't like people telling me I am an insecure controlling person. Why do you feel a bachelor party is ok? (just wondering) I can't understand the whole "free pass" thing alot of guys are given when it comes to a bachelor party. I never said that this makes one insecure. I said, " [a] woman who feels insecure because her SO has gone to a strip club for a BACHELOR PARTY needs to re-evaluate realtionship". I hope it's clear now. A bachelor party is OK b/c it's a party and he's being a good friend by attending. It doesn't mean he is dying to grope women, he's going to have a good time with his friends. See, I don't and haven't had to deal with these issues re: men being pigs or perverts, so my view may be a bit skewed. I honestly don't think it's so bad b/c I know precisely where my SO stands on the issue. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Wrt strip clubs, from a man's POV, amongst my circle of mostly blue collar males, I'd say 50-50, with some enjoying it and some going because it's a gig for their buddy. Personally, I've never been to a strip club; heck I don't much care for bars either. My wife, OTOH, has been to see male dancers, mostly in Vegas, and one of her girlfriends worked for a number of years with that 'thunder from downunder' Aussie male dance review. Would I have a problem with that? Nope, never have. Whatever floats her boat. She always treated that part of our M with dignity and respect. Besides, I have to admit those guys are pretty hawt! Link to post Share on other sites
rainfall Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I never said that this makes one insecure. I said, " [a] woman who feels insecure because her SO has gone to a strip club for a BACHELOR PARTY needs to re-evaluate realtionship". I hope it's clear now. A bachelor party is OK b/c it's a party and he's being a good friend by attending. It doesn't mean he is dying to grope women, he's going to have a good time with his friends. See, I don't and haven't had to deal with these issues re: men being pigs or perverts, so my view may be a bit skewed. I honestly don't think it's so bad b/c I know precisely where my SO stands on the issue. You might not of said I was insecure but many others have. If a guy goes to a strip club for a bachelor party it might not mean he is dying to grope women but he is still going to watch naked women dance for him. I guess as long as each person is ok with whatever happens its ok though. Link to post Share on other sites
porter218 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I guess having been a stripper and seeing those men come in with their freind to "indulge" their friends for a bachelor party I have a different point of veiw. As they admit that it wasn't their idea to come in the first place...they begin to get overly freindly as the night wears on. They flirt and outright disrespect their W or GF who is at home worrying about what they are doing. Even with that wedding band plain as day on their hand they still flirt like they are single. And many many times by the end of the night they have attempted to get one of the strippers to accompany them back to their hotel...yuck:sick:. Even though I only worked for 2 weeks before I got disgusted and left I saw it happen over and over again. And my ex who still strips says she has to deal with these bachelor party sleaze balls and at least one in every party tries to get more then anyone would consider acceptable in a relationship. Many of the strippers dread doing the bachelor parties because they are more disrespectful and gross then regular customers. It is because their friends are urging them to do more with the girls then they normally would and their is a lot of peer pressure to get the strippers to have sex with them. Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom 35 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I think the strip club thing is more of a young man's deal. I personally don't know any guys my age who go to strip clubs for a bachelor party. The last guy friend of mine who got married took a trip to Napa and did the "Sideways" tour. Bachelor parties at strip clubs seemed to be more common when I was in my 20's. Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Shortie Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I dated an older guy who was 39 at the time. He liked strip clubs. Him and his dad even went to one behind his mom's back. Honestly, I lost a little respect for him after he told me this. The two men in her own family go behind her back because the strippers trumped over her. Nice. Link to post Share on other sites
Walk Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 You said your relationship was good LB. He won't ruin that for a dirty ho. That bf of yours would have to sterlize his penis with bleech just to feel clean again. And then you'd know what he did because all his little pubic hairs would be ghost white. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 You said your relationship was good LB. He won't ruin that for a dirty ho. That bf of yours would have to sterlize his penis with bleech just to feel clean again. And then you'd know what he did because all his little pubic hairs would be ghost white. That's an interesting image! Yeah, I really don't have much to worry about. He sent me text messages saying he lost 200 bucks gambling, so I don't think he's done much "strip clubbing." I'm glad he's having fun, and its given me time to myself to do what I want to do. Believe me, he would NEVER go after some chick in a strip club. I don't even think he could handle putting money anywhere near her! Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 I think the strip club thing is more of a young man's deal. I personally don't know any guys my age who go to strip clubs for a bachelor party. The last guy friend of mine who got married took a trip to Napa and did the "Sideways" tour. Bachelor parties at strip clubs seemed to be more common when I was in my 20's. Yes, they are all 26. They act much younger than that also, they are VERY immature. Don't get me wrong, I think his friends are nice but they do act younger than they really are. Hence the whole trip to Vegas. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 He sent me a text message saying he lost $130 in gambling. It sucks, I haven't gotten a chance to talk to him much. He hasn't called me, but he has sent me some. I really miss him! Thank goodness he comes home tommorrow! Link to post Share on other sites
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