if hell is real then how can anyone be happy in heaven?

[barefoot880]

My question for those christians who believe in hell regardless of which version of hell you subscribe to is this: If not everyone is going to be saved how can you really be happy in heaven?

 

More importantly if you don't believe everyone is going to be saved then how can you go on with your life in the here and now and enjoy it?

 

How can you enjoy going to a football game or vacation or going to a movie or going out to a party if you really believe not everyone is going to be saved?

 

How can you be happy in heaven especially if you found out that some of your loved ones or friends didn't make it? Some christians out there believe that even good and kind people have the possibility of not making it to heaven.

 

So for you christian parents out there who believe that it's possible for good and sweet people to not make it into heaven how could you ever be happy spending eternity without your sons and daughters?

 

Especially if your sons and daughters were kind, decent, law abiding citizens, got straight As in high school and college and have successful careers,they never disobeyed you, they were never troublemakers in your home but they just decided that christianity is not for them?

 

Basically it is possible that your son or daughter is everything that a parent wished for in a son or daughter except that they willfully rejected Jesus Christ and said they wanted nothing to do with Him. They still live moral lives and make a difference in society.

 

How can you as a parent be happy spending eternity without your sons or daughters? Now I know some of you believe that because you raised your kids according to biblical principles that you have nothing to worry about.

 

But you are the same type of christian parents who believe that God gives everyone a free will right? So your children have free will to reject God at anytime regardless of how well you may have raised them in the church. There's no guarantee that they will convert to Christ just because you are being a good example as a parent.

 

I know this because my mom is a born again christian. She's more devoted to her faith than anyone I come in contact with on a daily basis. But guess what? I still want nothing to do with Christ. I still hate God and I have no intentions of ever converting to Christ.

 

I've heard the gospel message over 100 hundred times and I still want nothing to do with it. That does not mean that I'm a bad person. I have no criminal record. I do my best to make a difference in the society I live in.

 

I may hate my mom for what she has converted to but I still respect her. I will still take care of her when she gets old age because that is my duty not because I love her.

 

My dad is not a christian either but he always helps people out when they need it. He has served 30 years in the marine corps. That ought to count for something.

 

For you christians who have joined the military I'm really surprised that you would say that my dad's service in the military counts for nothing in eternity just because he wants nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

 

By the way there's many men and women who serve in the military and are protecting your rights to preach your "turn or burn" gospel publicly. Many non-christian military men have died for your right to publicly declare that even military men who give up their lives in war are burning in hell if they did not accept Jesus as their Lord & Savior.

 

Now I know that christianity is a large religion with many different sects and not every sect believes that good people who did not convert to their beliefs go to hell. So the questions I have do not apply to those christians. They apply to the christians who believe that heaven is exclusively for those who believe the right things about Jesus or who convert to Christ in this life.

 

The reality is that most people in this world are not going to convert to Christ during their earthly life whether they hear the gospel or not. Most people are not likely going to convert to your denomination especially if your denomination teaches that it's possible for good people to go to hell if they don't convert to your doctrine.

 

Also how does a belief in an eternal hell motivate anyone to be the best they can be and make a difference in society? How does a belief that most will NOT be saved inspire anybody to make a difference in this world? What is the use if most will not be saved?

 

I see many problems with this kind of christianity. It's not a victorious religion. According to this religion God loses most of humanity to an eternal fire in the end. How do you go on with life? How do you enjoy life? Do you just not care who is going to hell as long as your own bacon is saved?

 

Is heaven going to be filled with people who care about nothing except saving their own bacon? So heaven is filled with selfish people? Wouldn't that be worse than hell? How can you go on with your life accepting that there's nothing you can do to prevent most of the world from going to hell?

 

I don't see how any human being with an ounce of compassion in their heart can just ignore these things if they really believe them to be true. If it's true that eternal hell awaits most of humanity and there's nothing that can be done to change that then I say count me in.

 

I don't want to spend eternity in heaven with people who are only concerned about saving their own bacon. I know what I'm talking about. I've run into christians who say "well I don't think about hell that much. I know it's real but since I'm not going there I don't give it much thought." How can these christians be so selfish?

 

If most will not be saved then I don't want to go to heaven. If any of my family or friends or current girlfriend or ex girlfriends are burning in hell then I'm going to.

 

In fact I can't think of a greater punishment than for God to allow me to experience meaningful relationships with people in this life only to NOT guarantee me that there is any hope of reuniting with these people in heaven.

 

If most people that we have meaningful relationships with in this life are not likely to spend eternity in the same place with us then what is the point of getting involved in relationships?

[djhall]

That is a very interesting perspective. Despite spending the first 18 years of my life in a very religious family and church, I too find similar questions too difficult to ignore.

 

You tread quite close to one of my major issues when you talk about loved ones who may have lived ther entire lives as best they can according to "Christian principles". They didn't lie, they didn't steal, they never had sex outside of marriage or even wanted to in their heart, they treated everyone around them with kindness, compassion, and generosity. They did unto others as they would have done unto them. But, merely because they looked at the world around them, the bible, and the people who claimed to represent god, and decided for whatever reason they didn't believe it was true, they are not allowed into heaven and may even spend eternity suffering in hell. At the same time, someone who spent their entire life lying, stealing, commiting adultery, beating family members, raping women, and generally being an evil person becomes terminally ill, seeks comfort in religion, gets baptized or saved or whatever the religion requires, and spends eternity in heaven.

 

Now, I have trouble accepting that any amount of evil a person could commit in a human lifetime would justify eternal torture, infinite suffering, a punishment without end, where even a thousand, billion, trillion years of pain and suffering is nothing at all compared to what is still to come. But I am expected to accept that this unimaginable suffering is to be inflicted upon a good person who falsely believed that god wasn't real, and an equally unimaginable reward is to be granted to the evil person who at the very end decided to believe? I am then supposed to accept that god is good, god is a just god, and god is a god of love?

[D-Lish]

Barefoot,

 

I am interested to know why this would trouble you so?

 

I ask that because if you don't believe in god, his son, or the holy spirit... then heaven, nor hell, exist for you.

 

I grew up being forced to go to church and Sunday school (yuck)... and from the moment I was old enough to question doctrine.... I found the notion of a bearded man in the sky, floating on clouds, to be ridiculous.

I, of course was considered a huge trouble maker, because I asked questions in Sunday school....hmmm, not allowed to question anything. I see.

 

From my late childhood, to early teens and into my twenties- I hated organized religion. All I saw in my mothers congregation was hypocrisy, lies, deceit, etc.

 

Here is where I stand now. I am a happy atheist. There is no heaven or hell for me... so I am not concerned about what does not exist in my life.

 

It exists for others- that's fine. If you don't believe it, others cannot impose it on you. No god that you don't believe in is going to send you or anyone else who is good (or bad for that matter) to eternal suffering.

 

I've been reading a great book called "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Very well written, and for me, it summed up everything I had been wanting to settle in terms of my struggle with my mother and her religious views.

[Green]

Only I can rule in Heaven and Hell

[GPFan]

If most people that we have meaningful relationships with in this life are not likely to spend eternity in the same place with us then what is the point of getting involved in relationships?

Are you wondering what this says about those that hold these beliefs?

 

My guess is that it means the person in question believes they will form relationships with those around them in the afterlife. They may miss their former family and friends but are truly convinced there is only one pleasant afterlife for all.

[RecordProducer]

I don't think religious people nowadays believe in hell and heaven. I am sure those who did believe in the past also believed that their loved ones would go to heaven. Don't try to find logic in bullsh*t.

 

People who adhere to organized religion find excuses for all illogical things. E.g. heaven/hell is really a state of mind. And being fried in a big pot is a state of mind.

 

To answer your question, the heaven/hell concept was invented as a strategy to keep people in fear. You are missing the point when you ask "How can you be happy...?" The concept was not invented so you can be happy on earth, but so that people would accept misery on earth (in order to serve the rulers), and it turn they were promised happiness after death. Scam!

 

I wouldn't be concerned about separating from my loved ones. I am pretty sure I would see them all in hell!

[ed-205]

From the Biblical perspective, ALL people are born into sin because Adam and Eve turned their backs on God when they went against his will and ate from the tree of knowledge. This is the "original sin" for which even the kindest and most innocuous non-believer on the face of the planet is destined for hell if they do not seek salvation. This is also the reason that God sent his son to bear the burden of sin for everyone who believes in him, and follows his teachings.

 

Christians, in general, are most definitely NOT happy believing that a friend or loved one is destined for eternal punishment, and try so hard to introduce them to the Christian faith. I find it curious that you seem to think otherwise.

 

It really isn't as complicated as some people make it out to be, and obviously some people carry it to extremes. IMHO, many churches have corrupted the word of God for their own agenda, and I haven't set foot in one for many years. Strangely, this improved my relationship with God rather than weakened it. To me, God is very real. Faith within Jesus Christ is very real. I believe in them beyond any shadow of doubt or uncertainty, and I depend on them to sustain me.

 

For my part, I believe in the here and now. Live well, and follow the golden rule. I believe that the only effective way to promote Christian values is to serve by example, and not browbeat non-believers into submission by making them feel ashamed or guilty for being who they are, or quoting scripture and verse they can't possibly understand without wanting to understand it for themselves.

As for whether they go to heaven or hell, that's between them and God once they've been given the choice to believe or not. I can't decide for them.

[Geishawhelk]

..... I still hate God and I have no intentions of ever converting to Christ.

 

Whenever you have hatred for something, you embrace it and hold it as closely to you as if you loved it. By 'hating' it, you keep it in your mind, your heart and your life.

 

 

I may hate my mom for what she has converted to but I still respect her. I will still take care of her when she gets old age because that is my duty not because I love her.

This is very sad.

You need to love her because primarily she is your mother, and she gave birth to you.

By judging her in this way, you behave in exactly the same way as you perceive some Christians do with you..... You are no different to them.

D-Lish has made some good points, and I think you would do well to evaluate your own attitude.

Because you know what?

If Hell and Heaven exist, you are risking creating one of them for yourself, right here, right now.

Hatred and Resentment, Anger and Animosity give us a taste of Hell. And keep us there.

[quankanne]

you’ve raised a lot of good questions here, and though you hate God, this shows you’re on an important spiritual journey where all will be revealed in time. Meanwhile, I’d like to take a stab at some of your questions, barefoot.

 

If not everyone is going to be saved how can you really be happy in heaven? More importantly if you don't believe everyone is going to be saved then how can you go on with your life in the here and now and enjoy it? as cold and crass as this sounds, my concern is first and foremost about my soul and my personal relationship with God. It’s not that I don’t care about others, but before I can share the Good News, I need to be firmly in place, I need to be that example so that when others see me, they see actually see God working through me.

 

as for being “happy” in Heaven ... well, Heaven and Hell aren’t social clubs the way we like to think they are. Basically, they are being in the presence of a loving God who we are in adoration of for all eternity (Heaven) or in a spiritual state where we are kept apart from him and his love for all eternity.

 

you ask how does a belief in eternal hell motivate to be the best they can and make a difference? For me, easy. It motivates me to live out my faith as a believer. It’s being kind to others, knowing somewhere in the back of my head that this kindness will be shared with someone else later down the line. It’s being the person who stands firmly for something that when all is raging around me, I am anchored. If these things represent Heaven to me, then the lack of them represent Hell. Because I see my acts of love and kindness as a response to that flame of God’s love in me. Sounds hokey, I know, but it’s a very real thing to me.

 

as for the belief “that most will not be saved” make a difference in the world ... well, let’s put it this way: Believers should live our lives hoping that all embrace the gift of salvation offered by the resurrected Christ. Not point fingers and say, “Well, since you didn’t hold your mouth *just so* when you were doing that good act, you don’t make the cut.” Really, only a person and his Maker have the inside knowledge of who makes the final cut!

 

I see many problems with this kind of christianity. It's not a victorious religion. I see it differently. Christianity celebrates the victory Christ won over sin ... i.e., we can embrace the resurrection and take part in that win. Though, to be honest, I believe that Jesus died for everyone, believers and non-believers and the folks who preceeded Jesus, alike. That his gift is for everyone, all they need do is accept that God loved us so much that he offered himself up as a sacrifice so that we don’t have to rot in Hell. Again, this is a personal choice, and really isn’t tied into another person’s choice.

 

I am then supposed to accept that god is good, god is a just god, and god is a god of love? Oh yeah, baby! Because who else is gonna wait patiently and keep giving you chances to improve your relationships with Him? Even the most kind, generous person in your life will get fed up with you if you keep repeating your mistakes. God doesn’t ... he only asks that you love him back the way He loves you.

[barefoot880]

Barefoot,

 

I am interested to know why this would trouble you so?

 

I ask that because if you don't believe in god, his son, or the holy spirit... then heaven, nor hell, exist for you.

 

I grew up being forced to go to church and Sunday school (yuck)... and from the moment I was old enough to question doctrine.... I found the notion of a bearded man in the sky, floating on clouds, to be ridiculous.

I, of course was considered a huge trouble maker, because I asked questions in Sunday school....hmmm, not allowed to question anything. I see.

 

From my late childhood, to early teens and into my twenties- I hated organized religion. All I saw in my mothers congregation was hypocrisy, lies, deceit, etc.

 

Here is where I stand now. I am a happy atheist. There is no heaven or hell for me... so I am not concerned about what does not exist in my life.

 

It exists for others- that's fine. If you don't believe it, others cannot impose it on you. No god that you don't believe in is going to send you or anyone else who is good (or bad for that matter) to eternal suffering.

 

I've been reading a great book called "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Very well written, and for me, it summed up everything I had been wanting to settle in terms of my struggle with my mother and her religious views.

 

 

See it's this caviliar attitude that you have that is the reason religion has been allowed to gain the power, influence and a free ride in our society.

 

I do not believe it's healthy to just leave people alone to believe what they want. The christians are not going to leave us alone so why should we leave them alone when they are publicly declaring this insane nonsense?

 

What a person believes can be harmful to themselves and to others as well as society as a whole. A belief in hell does not benefit society as a whole.

 

Regardless of a person's beliefs about the afterlife one thing is certain: We all have a responsibility to do our part to better society & make a positive impact. If our beliefs are not benefiting everyone then it's time to renounce those beliefs!

 

I care nothing for the christian God. I see how society would be a better place if christians were not promoting their faith in politics. No man is an island. We're all connected like it or not.

 

Just as evangelical christians feel like they have a responsibility to convert the world to their religion I have a responsibility and a right to publicly challenge what they are preaching to this world.

 

I do not expect that they will all welcome the challenge because some of them are so far gone and brainwashed in their religion that they are beyond repair. But there are some christians who are questioning their beliefs and they will be welcome to get confirmation when they read the questions I posted.

 

I never said I was atheist. I am agnostic. Which means I do not know anything about the afterlife. You have a lot of nerve calling yourself an atheist and being a thorn in my flesh by trying to discourage me from challenging the beliefs of others.

 

Freedom of religion is not just for religious folks. It's also for people who want to challenge the beliefs of others. For 2000 years christianity has kept the world away from peace for far too long! I would hate to see christianity get in political power 100 years from now.

 

If christians successfully pass laws where the 10 commandments are running the country then I would hate to see people get fines or jail time for taking God's name in vain in public. Why? because taking God's name in vain is freedom of speech. Christians have a right to praise God in public and I have a right to curse God in public.

 

Speaking of freedom of speech many christians have not thought of this but the men and women who served in the armed forces have died for your right to publicly speak at someone's funereal and say "your loved one is currently burning in hell."

 

That's right. If an evangelical minister was doing a funereal for one of those non-christian military men who died in war to protect our freedoms that minister might say "well this guy is burning in hell because he didn't accept Christ even though he served his country honorably."

 

Christians can deny all they want to that this kind of stuff happens at funereals. It does happen. I have been to at least 2 funereals where a pentecostal preacher made referrence to the deceased person's spiritual condition and he said "this man is probably burning in hell as we speak." At least 8 people one at a time walked out of that funereal.

 

But that's ok. Those non-christian military men and women have died for their rights to say such heartless and cruel things at someone's funereal. Unfortunately there is no law on the books that requires any preacher to be sensitive at a funereal.

 

I have to wonder just how many of these hellfire preachers really appreciate the freedom these soliders gave them to preach such things at a funereal! It says a lot about their religion if they don't appreciate it.

 

So yes I have a responsibility and everyone else has a responsibility to challenge the beliefs that could very well bring harm to society.

[barefoot880]

Whenever you have hatred for something, you embrace it and hold it as closely to you as if you loved it. By 'hating' it, you keep it in your mind, your heart and your life.

 

 

This is very sad.

You need to love her because primarily she is your mother, and she gave birth to you.

By judging her in this way, you behave in exactly the same way as you perceive some Christians do with you..... You are no different to them.

D-Lish has made some good points, and I think you would do well to evaluate your own attitude.

Because you know what?

If Hell and Heaven exist, you are risking creating one of them for yourself, right here, right now.

Hatred and Resentment, Anger and Animosity give us a taste of Hell. And keep us there.

 

Wrong. I don't have to love her but I do have to respect her because she is my mom. Just like I don't have to like my boss at work but I have to respect him because he has the power to fire me.

 

I don't have to like or love anyone who has authority over me.

[barefoot880]

you’ve raised a lot of good questions here, and though you hate God, this shows you’re on an important spiritual journey where all will be revealed in time. Meanwhile, I’d like to take a stab at some of your questions, barefoot.

 

If not everyone is going to be saved how can you really be happy in heaven? More importantly if you don't believe everyone is going to be saved then how can you go on with your life in the here and now and enjoy it? as cold and crass as this sounds, my concern is first and foremost about my soul and my personal relationship with God. It’s not that I don’t care about others, but before I can share the Good News, I need to be firmly in place, I need to be that example so that when others see me, they see actually see God working through me.

 

as for being “happy” in Heaven ... well, Heaven and Hell aren’t social clubs the way we like to think they are. Basically, they are being in the presence of a loving God who we are in adoration of for all eternity (Heaven) or in a spiritual state where we are kept apart from him and his love for all eternity.

 

you ask how does a belief in eternal hell motivate to be the best they can and make a difference? For me, easy. It motivates me to live out my faith as a believer. It’s being kind to others, knowing somewhere in the back of my head that this kindness will be shared with someone else later down the line. It’s being the person who stands firmly for something that when all is raging around me, I am anchored. If these things represent Heaven to me, then the lack of them represent Hell. Because I see my acts of love and kindness as a response to that flame of God’s love in me. Sounds hokey, I know, but it’s a very real thing to me.

 

as for the belief “that most will not be saved” make a difference in the world ... well, let’s put it this way: Believers should live our lives hoping that all embrace the gift of salvation offered by the resurrected Christ. Not point fingers and say, “Well, since you didn’t hold your mouth *just so* when you were doing that good act, you don’t make the cut.” Really, only a person and his Maker have the inside knowledge of who makes the final cut!

 

I see many problems with this kind of christianity. It's not a victorious religion. I see it differently. Christianity celebrates the victory Christ won over sin ... i.e., we can embrace the resurrection and take part in that win. Though, to be honest, I believe that Jesus died for everyone, believers and non-believers and the folks who preceeded Jesus, alike. That his gift is for everyone, all they need do is accept that God loved us so much that he offered himself up as a sacrifice so that we don’t have to rot in Hell. Again, this is a personal choice, and really isn’t tied into another person’s choice.

 

I am then supposed to accept that god is good, god is a just god, and god is a god of love? Oh yeah, baby! Because who else is gonna wait patiently and keep giving you chances to improve your relationships with Him? Even the most kind, generous person in your life will get fed up with you if you keep repeating your mistakes. God doesn’t ... he only asks that you love him back the way He loves you.

 

 

This whole line about "not wanting to preach to others because I want to be firmly in my place first" is just an excuse for wanting to be politically correct. You are sugarcoating your message to keep the world from seeing it as it really is.

 

I wish more christians would boldly come out in the public and say that they believe non-christian military soliders are going to burn in hell if they don't believe in Jesus. Why? so that the world will see this religion for the psychotic nature of what it is!

 

I think you are just making excuses when the reality is that you are ashamed of what you believe and you just don't want to embarass yourself.

 

I'm even considering sending an offering to these hellfire and brimestone preacher ministries but not because I support what they do but it's because I just want to help get their message out so that the world can see the evidence that this is what christianity boils down to. Then finally maybe christianity will go out of business!

 

Many christians have been politically correct with their message because it's how they protect their religion. It's all for selfish gain.

[westernxer]

Heaven and Hell... I love them both but am stuck on Earth.

[Moose]

Choice.

 

You've heard, you've choosen.

 

Personally, I don't know of ONE Christian who would be happy about it, and no.....people in Heaven aren't happy about it either, but we do have Peace about it.

 

Why would we have Peace about it? Because YOU chose.

 

Now, I will confess that sometimes I literally weep over people I know who've choosen not to put their faith in Christ....and it's hard to accept....very hard.

 

There, (simply) isn't anything I can do about it.

[RecordProducer]

How can you as a parent be happy spending eternity without your sons or daughters? Now I know some of you believe that because you raised your kids according to biblical principles that you have nothing to worry about.

If your mother rejects you because you don't share her beliefs, then she is not a good mother. By "reject" I mean refuses to communicate with you, give you love and affection. However, if she simply wants you to be like her, but otherwise acts motherly, you're wrong for hating her. I could never hate my mother, even if she became a mass murderer.

 

Many mothers make mistakes and their children punish them for those mistakes. Leave the religion on the side and think about your relationship with your mother. Religion can't stand in the way. I think more people should go to conseling with their parents and children, instead of wasting their time on counseling with their spouses who don't love them anyway.

 

people in Heaven aren't happy about it either

You mean dead people in Heaven? When was the last time to spoke to some of them?

[barefoot880]

Seriously though I would win in every debate with christians if I sent enough money into these hellfire & damnation ministries so their message gets out to the world loud and clear that yes even good people who served in the armed forces can go to hell.

 

I may be a bit abrasive in my approach but my views are the lesser of 2 evils compared to the hellfire and damnation preaching. The world will be ready to accept my message after enough preachers boldly come out loud and clear with their hellfire messages.

 

The result is enough people will be turned off by christianity and it will die a natural death. By sending in money to these ministries I'm just helping christianity run its course!

 

There is a possibility that I am the future antichrist according to christian's beliefs about prophecy! The world will be more likely to accept my message as soon as the right worldwide catastrophe hits!

 

I've already stepped up to the challenge of boycotting heaven. I will take many souls to hell with me hahahahaha!

 

My message is simple. Do your part to make society a better place for everybody. Whatever you do make sure it's for the benefit of society.

 

Society's needs are # 1. I would think that a loving God would seek no less than to do what is best for His creation as a whole. How does sending people to hell for not believing the correct things about Jesus benefit society as a whole?

 

How does sending someone to hell because they are gay or because they smoke or drink or date the girls who do benefit society as a whole?

 

Why would God care about what someone's sexual preference is when there is a whole universe out there with many galaxies and planets that probably have larger problems for Him to take care of that we don't know about? Afterall there is a reason He created these other galaxies.

 

If I were God my message to my earthly creation would be simple:

 

"Take care of yourselves and each other and take care of this planet. I've supplied enough resources for everyone to share among one another. That's all I ask. This earth is your home. I don't care what your sexual preference is. I don't care if you smoke or drink or do drugs. If you all want to kill each other that's on you.

 

The freedom I've given you comes with responsibility to yourselves and to society. I can't be bothered with what my people do in the privacy of their own bedroom. I don't care what position you like to have sex in either. It does not mean a thing to me whether you like sex from behind or to the side or upside down or missionary position, or standing up or sitting down!

 

I've got a big universe of larger problems to attend to and deal with. I'm not going to get angry with you and destroy this earth. I've given it to you as a gift. If the earth is destroyed it's by your own doing not mine. You've polluted it and didn't take care of it."

 

That is my message if I were God. I would make it known to all human beings worldwide too. Everyone would receive this personal message from me. Organized religion has always attracted the kind of people who think it's their job to regulate someone else's private life.

[barefoot880]

Also if hell is real then how come God does not give all of His creatures a bird's eye view of it during their lifetime so they can know beyond reasonable doubt that this place exists?

 

Why doesn't He take everyone on a field trip through hell? This way we all have the evidence and can decide what course of action to take from there.

 

Don't you think a loving God who created hell would at least do that? Why would He keep us guessing and wondering about it in this life only to let us in for a shock after we die? It seems like God likes to play guessing games with His children.

 

Sometimes high school students are taken on a field trip to a state prison so that if anyone is thinking about getting involved in criminal activity they can know beyond reasonable doubt what the consequences will be and what it will be like to spend time in prison.

[Federica]

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