Sks Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I could kill someone in allot of ways, but strapping them down to a chair and euthanizeing isn't one of them, maybe killing them via firing line. It really depends on what they have done. Link to post Share on other sites
burning 4 revenge Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 My apologies for the thread highjack but this is one of my biggest beefs with Christianity. Why is it acceptable to quote from the Old Testament when it's convenient and then when it's not, invalidate it, considering the New Testament as the sole point of Biblical validation? As for the topic itself, living in a semi-socialistic, liberal country hasn't affected my pro-Capital Punishment views. Even my parents are appalled at my views. Capital punishment is truly immoral. To put someone in a room for twenty years and make them fight a futile battle to spare their life for the duration of that time is reprehensible no matter who the victim is Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Capital punishment is truly immoral. To put someone in a room for twenty years and make them fight a futile battle to spare their life for the duration of that time is reprehensible no matter who the victim is The existing legal system keeps them on Death Row. Why if there's no shadow of a doubt that they are serial killers? Cut short the duration of Death Row and your immoral reason is gone. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 They've actually found that capital punishment is no deterrent It is pretty successful at deterring those who are sentenced. Beyond that, not really. You could introduce death by lowering into a vat of boiling chip oil, but most people who commit crimes don't do so with the belief they will be caught. With heat of the moment type crimes, or those committed under the influence of substances, they're pretty much guaranteed to not be thinking about anything much, let alone the consequences of their actions. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
The Collector Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 If you execute all the serial killers, who's going to help out Clarice Starling when she gets stuck? You haven't thought it through. Link to post Share on other sites
george35 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 None....... why would there be? Where is the crime or victim? But you could kill yourself heroically..... like jump on a grenade to save your buddies..... and that is ok. You would get a parade in your honor. But that is not the topic.... and money still rules the justice system. Have enough and you will be set free. Did ya' completely miss my point? Link to post Share on other sites
george35 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Well those of you who are bible fans, the bible justifies the murder of and adulteress and her lover, so apparently bible does condone murder to some degree. I'm all for the death penalty, but not in all cases. Cheers! The Bible does not condone “Murder”, it condones “killing”. The literal translation to the Commandment is; “You shall not murder”. I will leave that loophole up to your interpretation. Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Did ya' completely miss my point? I guess I am used to the sulphur and brimstone types. Link to post Share on other sites
Quinch Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 You could introduce death by lowering into a vat of boiling chip oil For some reason I'm suddenly feeling hungry Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Yes, but that would be murder. And before God gets you, the justice system might. Are you going to depend on it to let you off the hook? because 'Justice' doesn't work like that. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 God wouldn't forgive you for deliberately breaking one of his commandments, and then seeking forgiveness later, however sincere you are. It doesn't work like that. God expects you to obey his commandments in the first place. Murder is a Cardinal Sin. It's fuelled by Hatred, one of the Seven Deadly Sins. If you succumb to the temptation of committing one of the Seven deadly Sins, consequences are grave.....To commit a sin of this magnitude, intending to seek forgiveness later, is flawed logic. You should exercise more control and not commit it in the first place.... It's not a get-out clause.... So my priest told me. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowplay Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 The existing legal system keeps them on Death Row. Why if there's no shadow of a doubt that they are serial killers? Cut short the duration of Death Row and your immoral reason is gone. It's wrong on principal for society to kill. It doesn't matter if somebody "deserves" to die. Society should not be the executioner. If it's true that the threat of capital punishment doesn't deter criminals and innocent people have been put to death because of flaws in our system, then what point does the death penalty serve other than to satisfy our baser instincts? I've noticed that people who support CP seem to reason backwards. They find loose rationalizations for their beliefs, but the beliefs come first when it should be the other way around. I think it's more about individual personality and/or culture than rational thought. I have no doubt the people who most ardently support CP now are the same who would have lined up for public hangings in the past as afternoon entertainment. The killings now happen in more sanitized environments, behind closed doors, but the same revenge mentality remains the same. There's a reason that more progressive, educated societies generally do not support the death penalty. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 There's a reason that more progressive, educated societies generally do not support the death penalty.Be careful there, you might give people the impression that Christians are progressive and educated..... Link to post Share on other sites
BUENG1 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 With New Jersey in debt, since what I feel as time started, why should tax payers continue to fund unlimited health care, food, housing, support costs, etc... for someone serving a life sentence w/o parole, or those with multiple life sentences. Also I feel 20% (from your numbers) out of 360 or so in the grand scheme of things is ok. Going forward that 20% may go down. The 20% you've referenced is based on historical data. It's more expensive to put someone to death then it is to hold them in jail for their entire lives. Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 It's more expensive to put someone to death then it is to hold them in jail for their entire lives. Could you please back up your statement.. Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I studied christianity a little bit when i was younger. I am not a spiritual person any longer, but still quite a fan of many of the famous Jesus quotes. Among my favs is this, which for me is quite clear on the topic, "let he is is w/o sin cast the first stone" You do know that a "moral" person won't cast the stone however a death row inmate may. If some one wants to be a sheep, then put them in with the death row inmates. Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 It's more expensive to put someone to death then it is to hold them in jail for their entire lives. $3 bullet cost to execute a person; executioner costs are free. Just the first year costs of an inmate: $50k to start just for a 1st year guard add 25% to to base salary for benefits, pension, insurance + inmate health care + inmate food + inmate utilities + inmate education + inmate housing I can even do a 20 year estimate. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 How do you compare that with the cost to your conscience of executing innocent people? Can you put a dollar value on that? Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
The Collector Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 http://deathpenalty.procon.org/viewanswers.asp?questionID=1000 Info of comparative costs here, including both pro and con opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Innocent from the past, those numbers were based on historical numbers and the one from New Jersey was based on numbers since the 1700's! How many more innocent lives just to free one to let them do it again? Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Innocent from the past, those numbers were based on historical numbers and the one from New Jersey was based on numbers since the 1700's! How many more innocent lives just to free one to let them do it again? I saw a guy on the news last night that was arrested 32 times. Finally wanted for recent rape. How the hell is someone arrested 32 times and not considered a threat to society? Unless you are some sort of career peaceful protest professional getting arrested everytime you hold up a sign - I cannot see how this guy was out on the streets after 32 arrests. Our justice system is screwed up on all fronts. Or we could be like china and you could go to prison for questioning your rights as a citizen. How the hell does Singapore do it? Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 How the hell does Singapore do it? They chew gum. Or we could be like china and you could go to prison for questioning your rights as a citizen. Chinese response: Register to protest and we'll take care of the volunteers. Thank you for your concern citizen. Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 How the hell is someone arrested 32 times and not considered a threat to society? Unless you are some sort of career peaceful protest professional getting arrested everytime you hold up a sign - I cannot see how this guy was out on the streets after 32 arrests. Our justice system is screwed up on all fronts. No kidding our justice system is screwed up. 32 arrests! Not knowing the full story of the person's 32 arrests, I would lean toward the person being kept in confinement at the first few arrests. I think there should be something like a RICO law for repeat offenders. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 It's wrong on principal for society to kill. It doesn't matter if somebody "deserves" to die. Society should not be the executioner. If it's true that the threat of capital punishment doesn't deter criminals and innocent people have been put to death because of flaws in our system, then what point does the death penalty serve other than to satisfy our baser instincts? I've noticed that people who support CP seem to reason backwards. They find loose rationalizations for their beliefs, but the beliefs come first when it should be the other way around. I think it's more about individual personality and/or culture than rational thought. I have no doubt the people who most ardently support CP now are the same who would have lined up for public hangings in the past as afternoon entertainment. The killings now happen in more sanitized environments, behind closed doors, but the same revenge mentality remains the same. There's a reason that more progressive, educated societies generally do not support the death penalty. Without usage of fluff and stuff and thou shalts, explain to me why Capital Punishment is wrong? A serial killer has nothing to contribute to society, taking far more than he could ever give. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowplay Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Without usage of fluff and stuff and thou shalts, explain to me why Capital Punishment is wrong? A serial killer has nothing to contribute to society, taking far more than he could ever give. The death penalty is wrong because it serves no purpose (as life-long imprisonment would have the same effect) and it sets a bad example. It sends the message that killing is OK if one judges that the person deserves to die. On the other hand, I believe that killing is justified in some circumstances like a war that needs to be fought (WWII for example). In those cases, it is actually saving lives. The death penalty does not save lives. Btw, I'm not religious. Link to post Share on other sites
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