Heaven and Hell are very much real

[marinemom5740]

As I was reading some of the messages on Heaven and Hell let me be the frist to say that heaven and hell are very much real. people need to know that by rejecting jesus christ and his word send you to hell. I have been saved for over 12yrs and am much happier now today than I was when I was in the world doing my thing. yes I was one of those who said go to chruch? not me. that is why the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

 

this is why christian tv is going all over the world to save the lost. jesus is real and satan is real. I have seen jesus and i have seen satan. I know I will get some commentments about hell and the devil. but, it dosen't matter to me it is my job as an abassdor of christ to spread his word and lead others to him. I love jesus more than ever and I know I will be with him in heaven.

 

you find most people say well Im a good person live a good life and help others well that is all well and good but the fact remains if you do not accept jesus christ as your personal lord and savior you will go to hell.

God gave us chooices in life we can live or we can die. what will it be for you? heaven or hell the choice is yours. I pray you will make the right choice and try jesus. because if your God does not work try mine!!!

jesus said the only way to the father is through me>

[Trojan John]

you find most people say well Im a good person live a good life and help others well that is all well and good but the fact remains if you do not accept jesus christ as your personal lord and savior you will go to hell.

God gave us chooices in life we can live or we can die. what will it be for you? heaven or hell the choice is yours. I pray you will make the right choice and try jesus. because if your God does not work try mine!!!

 

And it's statements like this which make most good, rational people reject all religion outright.

[jimmy08]

I have good news. Everybody is going to heaven! Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world & He succeeded in His mission.

 

Universal salvation is the gospel. Christ died to take away the sin of the world so that raised from the dead He would give all eternal life.

 

Everybody is saved.

[The Collector]

Where did you see Satan? Are you sure you don't mean Santa?

[Dark-N-Romantic]

And it's statements like this which make most good, rational people reject all religion outright.

 

Of course it does Trojan, much like so many rules and restrictions our parents, jobs, schools, laws, or life itself put us under. Its not God's fault many human beings are too stubborn to accept the fact they have to follow a set of rules and regulations in order to get into Heaven. Its not His fault people choose to go to Hell when all they have to do are two simple things in life:

 

1. To love God with all our hearts, all our minds, and all our spirits.

2. To love each other as He has loved us.

 

These two things are the most hardest things for humans to do because that means we would have to put our own desires and nature aside. We would have to put aside our pride, anger, greed, gluttony, lust, slothfulness, and envy that rules many of our actions. So, we would have to out of our love for God love or family, friends, and enemies. We would seek to do what is right for each other and not some limited group. We would not fornicate or put our faith and love in our cars, houses, t.v.s, pets, etc. The young would listen to their elders and hold to time tested and proven ways and the elders would be guides unto the young passing along their wisdom. We would not pollute our land, sea, and air or have hunted animals and people to extinction.

 

We are doing so well in our God hating world that we have millions of homeless, crime, corruption right in our countries' backyards, yet how many countries stick their noses in other countries' businesses only to add to the issues of hate that lives in this world? How many countries now look to the west as the guide of the world and yet, we can focus on one group as the primary view of perfection (perfect example, look at Japanese anime, most western t.v. shows, and magazines). We practice favoritism on such a level that we have men, women, and children trying to fit an image in order for them to feel right. We have people willing to kill each other over different ideologies, political followings, and religious outlooks. Men and women have so much hate towards each other that we continue foolish ideas of what makes a man a man and a woman a woman and then we pass them along to our children and then we add to the confusing so much conflicting data and we don't understand why so many of them are screwed up and grow to do screwed up things as adults. This is the glory of our world.

 

So, yeah, maybe those who are too afraid to lose what the think is so "good" in this world are right. They should avoid God at all costs. Live their lives with their heads in the sands believing they can escape truth. But for those who want more and who want the REAL world God intended, then believe, walk the path, you will have it and we will know true life with abundance and without the fears of and death that covers this world.

 

 

DNR

[quankanne]

this is why christian tv is going all over the world to save the lost

 

none but God himself can "save" – all we can do is witness the Good News of God's love for us.

 

you find most people say well Im a good person live a good life and help others well that is all well and good but the fact remains if you do not accept jesus christ as your personal lord and savior you will go to hell.

 

if you believe that Christ died, and thus conquored death so that we may live, are we talking only about the people that came *after* his lifetime who get to claim the gift? Wouldn't salvation then be conditional, and only for the people who said the magic words? Or is a universal gift offered to all, past, present and future?

 

the late Pope John Paul II addresses this, and assure us that the people who are open to God's grace as it works through them – even though unchurched – still get to claim his redemption:

 

Christ won universal salvation with the gift of his own life. No other mediator has been established by God as Savior. The unique value of the sacrifice of the cross must always be acknowledged in the destiny of every man. … For those, however, who have not received the Gospel proclamation, as I wrote in the Encyclical Redemptoris Missio, salvation is accessible in mysterious ways, inasmuch as divine grace is granted to them by virtue of Christ's redeeming sacrifice, without external membership in the Church, but nonetheless always in relation to her (cf. RM 10). It is a mysterious relationship. It is mysterious for those who receive the grace, because they do not know the Church and sometimes even outwardly reject her. ... In order to take effect, saving grace requires acceptance, cooperation, a yes to the divine gift. This acceptance is, at least implicitly, oriented to Christ and the Church. ... Religions can exercise a positive influence on the destiny of those who belong to them and follow their guidance in a sincere spirit. ... The Church does not exist nor does she work for herself, but is at the service of a humanity called to divine sonship in Christ (cf. RM 19). She thus exercises an implicit mediation also with regard to those who do not know the Gospel.” (All Salvation Comes through Christ; General Audience — May 31, 1995)

 

source: http://www.romancatholicism.org/jpii-quotes.htm

 

therefore, there are people who are say "yes" to God even though they are not aware of him or Christ, and who merit salvation as promised by him.

[a4a]

I have seen jesus and i have seen satan.

 

Yep I saw George Bush on the news this morning too.

 

and I saw jesus and julio mowing the front lawn of some big corporation.

[The Collector]

the late Pope John Paul II addresses this, and assure us that the people who are open to God's grace as it works through them – even though unchurched – still get to claim his redemption:

 

So, like so many religious leaders, the Pope was saying 'what Jesus/God/The Bible meant to say was...'

[quankanne]

or possibly sharing the idea that God's love is much greater than our understanding of it, therefore all is possible. At least, this is what I get from his writings.

 

and I saw jesus and julio mowing the front lawn of some big corporation.

 

:lmao: you've reminded me of one of my college roommates. She said that in one of her college classes, the seating chart was arranged alphabetically, and her, being "Barrera" was ahead of a guy whose last name was "Chapa."

 

The gringo prof started calling role the first day of class: Rosie? Rosie Barerra?

 

Jaysus? Jaysus Chapa?

 

[Enema]

let me be the frist to say that heaven and hell are very much real. people need to know that by rejecting jesus christ and his word send you to hell.

 

Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

Or in laymans terms: Put up or Shut up.

[Geishawhelk]

Heaven - and Hell - are both right here on earth.

And they're both impermanent. Though some seem more permanent than others....

 

A half hour waiting for a really terrific meal, is the same length half-hour spent waiting for the Dentist's drill.

The trepidation or anticipation is what makes one seem like an eternity, and the other one not long enough....

 

But some people are going through Hell right now. Starvation, disease, cruelty, hardship, war, famine and destitution.

Don't anybody tell me that if these people, going through all their suffering and torment, die without having accepted Christ as their saviour, they're going to 'hell.'

They're already there! What do you think they imagine could possibly be worse than this?

[theBrokenMuse]

you find most people say well Im a good person live a good life and help others well that is all well and good but the fact remains if you do not accept jesus christ as your personal lord and savior you will go to hell.

God gave us chooices in life we can live or we can die.

 

First of all, believing in the existence of something is not a choice. If you think it is, try and force yourself to believe in Ra or Griffins. There simply isn't enough empirical evidence for me to be convinced that a God exists. I could pretend, of course, but somehow I doubt that would impress a deity in the slightest.

 

Second of all, it's repugnant when some Christians constantly threaten non-believers with hell. If the Biblical God cares more about his ego being stroked then he does about kindness and goodness of his creations, then I would not consider him worthy of worship even if he did exist... not that I would believe a non-sadistic being would create a place of eternal torture to begin with.

[marinemom5740]

Where did you see Satan? Are you sure you don't mean Santa?

 

o collector you make me laugh but, it is all good you see most people exepct the devil to come in a red out fit with horns and a pitch fork but not so. he looks like a reg man in a black soute.

[marinemom5740]

First of all, believing in the existence of something is not a choice. If you think it is, try and force yourself to believe in Ra or Griffins. There simply isn't enough empirical evidence for me to be convinced that a God exists. I could pretend, of course, but somehow I doubt that would impress a deity in the slightest.

 

Second of all, it's repugnant when some Christians constantly threaten non-believers with hell. If the Biblical God cares more about his ego being stroked then he does about kindness and goodness of his creations, then I would not consider him worthy of worship even if he did exist... not that I would believe a non-sadistic being would create a place of eternal torture to begin with.

 

why do you think we celebrate christmas? or Easter for that matter? im not here to beat up on non beleavers remember I use to be a non beleaver for a very long time. I was brought up in a catholic chruch and yes I did leave the chruch at age 17. now at 45 Im very happy. Jesus loves you so much that he died for you and went to hell for you. who do you know that would do that for you? if I were to ask you have you ever told a lie what would that make you? a liar right? of have you ever stolen anything what would that make you? a theif right? or have you ever cheated on your spouse what would that make you?? a cheater right?? well by your own admission you are a liar theif and a cheat jesus took all that on him so you can have life and be free of sin. so Im not beating anyone up on anything just simply saying that with out jesus in your life you won't make it.

 

remeber one day you too will stand before jesus and the book on your life will be opened and you will have to account for your life here on earth and everything you have done so will I. why don't you go to chruch one sunday and see if God has a word for you it just might change your life.

blessings

[marinemom5740]

why do you think we celebrate christmas? or Easter for that matter? im not here to beat up on non beleavers remember I use to be a non beleaver for a very long time. I was brought up in a catholic chruch and yes I did leave the chruch at age 17. now at 45 Im very happy. Jesus loves you so much that he died for you and went to hell for you. who do you know that would do that for you? if I were to ask you have you ever told a lie what would that make you? a liar right? of have you ever stolen anything what would that make you? a theif right? or have you ever cheated on your spouse what would that make you?? a cheater right?? well by your own admission you are a liar theif and a cheat jesus took all that on him so you can have life and be free of sin. so Im not beating anyone up on anything just simply saying that with out jesus in your life you won't make it.

 

remeber one day you too will stand before jesus and the book on your life will be opened and you will have to account for your life here on earth and everything you have done so will I. why don't you go to chruch one sunday and see if God has a word for you it just might change your life.

blessings

o one more thing if you can or get the chance watch the way of the master on christian tv you might find it interesting

[theBrokenMuse]

why do you think we celebrate christmas? or Easter for that matter?

 

Because the church chose to integrate pagan festivals such as Natalis Invicti into the Christian religion in order to make it easier to transition pagans into the fold?

 

im not here to beat up on non beleavers remember I use to be a non beleaver for a very long time. I was brought up in a catholic chruch and yes I did leave the chruch at age 17. now at 45 Im very happy.

 

Interestingly enough, I've always considered myself a rational person when it comes to most things but I left my religious faith untouched by critical thought for nearly thirty years. When I did finally examine my faith, I became a non-believer rather quickly because I could not support a belief of that magnitude without a solid foundation.

 

As for happiness, well, being a believer did make me happy. I cherished the idea of seeing lost loved ones again one day. However, just because something makes us happy doesn't make it true.

 

Jesus loves you so much that he died for you and went to hell for you. who do you know that would do that for you?

 

The Bible states that he was killed and went to hell for three whole days before coming back to life and ascending to heaven as God. It doesn't seem like a huge sacrifice considering he knew he was going to come back to life and return to heaven in a short time.

 

If hell were to exist, I would willingly go there, not only for my own family but even strangers. I could not live with myself knowing that people were in eternal anguish for petty offenses against the same deity that I was actively worshiping.

 

if I were to ask you have you ever told a lie what would that make you? a liar right? of have you ever stolen anything what would that make you? a theif right? or have you ever cheated on your spouse what would that make you?? a cheater right?? well by your own admission you are a liar theif and a cheat

 

Ray Comfort is hardly a bastion of logic. The man has tried to argue against evolution using a banana. I think if you compiled a list of all the things you've done just once or even just things you enjoyed as a child and complied them, they wouldn't accurately describe who you are now. I mean, I enjoyed ballet for for three weeks when I was six, does that make me a ballerina?

 

why don't you go to chruch one sunday and see if God has a word for you it just might change your life.

blessings

 

Going to a church isn't going to change the dubious origins or validity of what's being taught.

[lovelorcet]

why do you think we celebrate christmas? or Easter for that matter?

 

 

 

Just a little FYI for the ignorant... Easter comes from the celebration of the ancient German god Eostre. Christmas is a Celtic celebration... The modern church just pimped out these old festivals with there new made up figure.

 

Happens all the time in history.

[Enema]

I was brought up in a catholic chruch and yes I did leave the chruch at age 17. now at 45 Im very happy.

 

I'm glad you're happy, but this has little to do with truth.

 

Ever heard this famous quote?

 

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. — George Bernard Shaw

[ed-205]

Just a little FYI for the ignorant... Easter comes from the celebration of the ancient German god Eostre. Christmas is a Celtic celebration... The modern church just pimped out these old festivals with there new made up figure.

 

Happens all the time in history.

 

That's pretty much what happened with Christmas. No one really knows the date that Christ was born, in fact most Scholars actually place it somewhere around June or July. The celebration of Christmas is definitely an afterthought in the Christian religion, more closely related to the Ancient Roman holiday of Saturnailia (sp?).

Easter, on the other hand, was well recorded within history, and is actually determined on a lunar based calendar. This event simply coincided with the pagan holidays, which isn't too unusual considering the number of different religions, each with dozens of different holidays. A few of them are bound to overlap.