Moose Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 My Faith, or the Gospel I adhere to, has warned us Christians that it would come to this point, (and BEYOND) and I have mixed emotions about it. On one point, it strengthens my Faith knowing that Scriptures don't lie, and that they do accurately predict the future. On the other hand, I find it very hard to watch unfold, to see other souls, lost and found taking part in this downfall either voluntarily, or even without knowledge of it. I went to CNN this morning to read today's news and came across this: http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/10/09/tf.friends.with.benefits/index.html Giving women, (married or not, doesn't really specify) tips on how to have a, "proper" FWB relationship... So....what say other believers? Are you like me and have mixed emotions about it, or are you on one side of the fence or the other? Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I think this whole trend of in-yer-face sexuality is puke-worthy. I'm not going to play innocent by saying those things don't take place, but a bit of discretion is a good thing. yes, we're fascinated by stories and movies and advertising with sexuality, but there is a certain point where it starts turning against itself and becomes annoying. I can think of a specific poster here who I find mildly amusing with tales of exploits, but mostly, it's gotten to a point where I avoid reading that person's posts because it's a bit nauseating to read about sex sex sex in every darn post they write. Frankly, it's a bit sad, because I know said poster has more to offer, just like these starlets and authors do, but refuse to look past the titillation factor to gain needed attention. and yes, I do believe it's the Devil at work, taking something as beautiful and natural as sex and turning it into a circus act. Link to post Share on other sites
Eve Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 So....what say other believers? Are you like me and have mixed emotions about it, or are you on one side of the fence or the other? I completely accept that people will do whatever they want to do and do not believe that they should be forced to conform to beliefs they dont want. All we can do is to be an active part of provisions which enable people to leave certain lifestyle choices. I think God has already placed people in such positions and its about knowing your strengths and weaknesses in order to be of any true resounding value as a friend, Spouse, Mother etc Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Each person should have the freedom to define their own sexuality. As long as they're not strictly engaging with multiples for validation due to a need to fuel a low self-esteem or attempting to address emotional issues through sex, I don't have an issue with it. Having said that, promiscuity isn't something I would engage in. To flip that around a bit, I also believe in "trying before you buy" aka premarital sex. Drive differences have killed many a marriage. As for overt sexuality, I see it as a big, red flag! Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 On the other hand, I find it very hard to watch unfold, to see other souls, lost and found taking part in this downfall either voluntarily, or even without knowledge of it. I will be the first to ask. What Bible verse predicts that CNN would talk about sexual immorality? Okay, the real question... What verses predict accurately that the future (assuming that we are the future being predicted) state that sexual promiscuity would be rising and rising? I have mixed feelings, too. Are these the times being predicted or is the future actually going to be much worse? Or are we not even close to the end times? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Luke: Chapter 17 26 "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 "It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 "It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. Link to post Share on other sites
tanbark813 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 When Jesus comes back he's going to get all the bitches. Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 30 "It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. So do you take this to mean that the Son of Man will be revealed at the last days, or was the Son of Man revealed when He was upon earth? I understand where you are coming from, but I wonder if we are too close to the current events of today to be objective as to how they fit into God's plans. Ever since I was a child old enough to understand, I have heard that "we are in the End Times." While this can be true because 45 years is not that long, everybody made those statements based on the events as the papers showed them at that day. Who can forget the year 2000? I would never say that we are not, but it is hard for me to say that we are either. My mother always said that it was like a frog in a pot. Boil the water slowly and he will not jump out. So it goes with people. Things get worse gradually, so that we do not realize that they are. The next thing you know it is over...and too late. So which is it? truthfully, I do not feel that we are living in the last days, and that is probably because up until now we haven't. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 So do you take this to mean that the Son of Man will be revealed at the last days, or was the Son of Man revealed when He was upon earth?Both, however I'm referring to the former... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 So which is it? truthfully, I do not feel that we are living in the last days, and that is probably because up until now we haven't.And that's why, (i believe anyway) this rings True:The next thing you know it is over...and too late.There are arguements on both sides on whether or not we're close.....I haven't even started with Daniel or Revelations, but there's some pretty scary, "predictions" that some have taught to be this or that in our times.... I'm fascinated by it, yet saddened by it....and confused, (well, a little)..... Link to post Share on other sites
marlena Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 The Romans were known for their promiscuity long before Jesus came along. So were the the hedonist Greeks for that matter. Orgies were very common. Promiscuity has always been around, before and after Jesus and most likely will be around for years to come. Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Lately I have not been fascinated by it, but a few years ago (yes, about 1998 or 1999), I read every book I could get. And I have a shelf full of them from every perspective...amillennialism, postmillennialism, and premillennialism. I also have some that predicted the end...which means we are no longer in the world. The years 1970 something (Hal Lindsey), 1988, 1994, and of course 2000 are some of them. But I also have one that states that THIS year is the end. And yet another one that explains exactly how the year 1908 "would" be the end, and a Napoleon would be the antichrist. Now there is a book that says the year 2011 is the end, and this is the same man that said 1994 was to be the end. And of course, we have the secular "prophets" who think 2012 will be the end. Years ago, my friend and I had some discussion about what the end times would be like and when they would come. Would we be alive? We assumed that we would. Sadly, this friend met his end some months after that at the age of 21 in a car-bike accident. It has always been a thought to me that the end for each of us comes...even if the End of Times is not during our lifetimes. I think it comes down to this...any day can be the end for each of us. I agree...there are many thoughts as to when the end will come. You see it one way, and I am guessing that we differ a little in that area, but we both know that it WILL come. So, when we see those people around us who do not think or realize that THEIR end is coming, we should be as worried and scared for them as we would if we saw our child stepping to close to a cliff. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 The Romans were known for their promiscuity long before Jesus came along. So were the the hedonist Greeks for that matter. Orgies were very common. Promiscuity has always been around, before and after Jesus and most likely will be around for years to come. Didn't both civilizations fall after decadence set in? Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 end times: I just don't get the fascination with them. If you're Christian, aren't you supposed to be putting your eggs in the basket that says "after life" and not be so fixated on God smoting the people with unpure hearts? This life isn't the important one ... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 end times: I just don't get the fascination with them. If you're Christian, aren't you supposed to be putting your eggs in the basket that says "after life" and not be so fixated on God smoting the people with unpure hearts? This life isn't the important one ...Witnessing God's Truth coming to life doesn't fascinate you? Or excite you? Or depress you in some instances, (losing an unsaved friend via sudden death)...? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Didn't both civilizations fall after decadence set in?Exactly.... Link to post Share on other sites
marlena Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Didn't both civilizations fall after decadence set in? Rome did. But the decadence was mostly in politics. The greed for power at whatever cost. Corrupt senators and emperors. Sound familiar? Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Moose, I'm agnostic now, so I neither believe or disbelieve. What does concern me is that people short sell themselves when they oversexualize. Every person has multiple aspects and is the sum of all their parts, superfical or internal. When the sole focus is on sexuality, what are you compensating for? A question each person needs to ask themselves. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Rome did. But the decadence was mostly in politics. The greed for power at whatever cost. Corrupt senators and emperors. Sound familiar? Oh oh, we're in deep kimchi! Link to post Share on other sites
marlena Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Oh oh, we're in deep kimchi! What is a kimchi? A Chinese word for deep sh**? Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 What is a kimchi? A Chinese word for deep sh**? It's a Korean side dish that's hotter than hell! I think that makes it on-topic! Link to post Share on other sites
marlena Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 It's a Korean side dish that's hotter than hell! I think that makes it on-topic! Precious!!! Thanks for the laugh!!:laugh: Link to post Share on other sites
amaysngrace Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I thought Jesus liked the promiscuous chicks. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 he liked to hang out with the not-so-pretty people ... Witnessing God's Truth coming to life doesn't fascinate you? Or excite you? I'm all for evangelization – if there's one thing we should focus on sharing is the realization of God's love for us all – that he is a forgiving, loving God. I don't think we should be so wrapped up in trying to guesstimate when life as we know it ends, because then we're trying to tie God down to OUR calendar, and not follow his. That's what this whole end-time fascination is to me, a way of putting our focus where it doesn't need to really be because it takes away from our true work as evangelists: love-mongering for Jesus! Link to post Share on other sites
MN randomguy Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I guess I'm a little too analytical. But I hate talk about the end times. I find it fruitless and frustrating. It's the same every time you predict apocalypse. You're either proven wrong or dead. But, back to promiscuity. Yes, it either is on the rise or I'm getting more grumpy in my old age. There seems to be an inability everywhere to admit that there are consequences to both paths. If you want to go against society and not be promiscuous you cannot expect to be accepted. If you decide to be promiscuous or be in a relationship with someone who has decided to be promiscuous don't expect monogamy all of the sudden. Link to post Share on other sites
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