Good News! Everybody is going to be saved!

[jimmy08]

I've got good news for this world. God loves everyone unconditionally & everybody is going to heaven. Jesus Christ died to take away the sin of the world so that raised from the dead He would give eternal life to all people.

 

Eternal life, forgiveness of sins, redemption, reconciliation with God is something that all humanity has already received at the cross & resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

Simply put: Everyone is saved but they just don't know it yet! Neither faith nor works are required on man's part. For it is by the grace of God that you are saved through the faith of Jesus Christ and not of our own faith nor our works. Therefore no man has any room to boast before God. (ephesians 2:8,9)

 

Salvation by grace alone through the faith of Christ alone without faith or works on man's part.

 

Read Romans chapter 5. It tells you everything you need to know about universal salvation.

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

 

 

Through Adam's sin, universal death came but through Christ's obedience, universal salvation came. Just as the ramifications of Adam's sin were effective enough to be applied to all people without permission, the ramifications of Christ's obedience were MUCH MORE effective to be applied to all people without permission!

Christ's work is more powerful than Adam's work. Therefore everyone is born again, righteous, holy, justified, glorified, sanctified, redeemed, perfect, forgiven in the eyes of Father God.

 

2nd Corinthians 5:19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

 

Certainly believing the gospel brings joy and peace of mind to the individual here & now. You have this eternal life but you can't enjoy it in the here and now until you believe this good news that it is already yours! Believing enables you to enjoy the reality of what you already have.

 

So to all atheists and agnostics reading this you are definately going to heaven. In fact you are seated in the heavenlies with Christ now. All humanity is one with God and with one another.

 

Satanists, serial killers, psychopaths, sociopaths, adoph hitler, osama bin laden, joseph stallin are all going to heaven. The issue is not about how good or how bad we behaved in this life. It's all about what Christ accomplished in His finished work. God loves bad boys. There is no hell.

 

We were saved from sin & death not eternal hell. I am a universalist grace believer. Universalism is not a common belief in christianity. It's a very small sect.

 

Whether you like anal sex, oral sex, vaginal sex, upside down sex, etc. you are going to heaven. Whether you are straight or gay you are going.

[Green]

I didn't read your entire thread but it wasn't news to me, thanks for the post

[Jilly Bean]

But, Jimmy? Im a witch (pagan), so I dont need saving, and we dont believe in heaven or hell. So, you can just scratch me off the list. Oh wait, I imagine your God has already excluded me, right?

[jimmy08]

But, Jimmy? Im a witch (pagan), so I dont need saving, and we dont believe in heaven or hell. So, you can just scratch me off the list. Oh wait, I imagine your God has already excluded me, right?

 

You are right. You don't need saving. Christ already saved you 2000 years ago in His death, burial & resurrection. So it does not make any difference what you believe in or what your religion is. God still loves you. He has acknowledged you and you will be in heaven with the rest of us.

 

It's going to be a wonderful party. You are a saint. You are a new creation in Christ.

[D-Lish]

But, Jimmy? Im a witch (pagan), so I dont need saving, and we dont believe in heaven or hell. So, you can just scratch me off the list. Oh wait, I imagine your God has already excluded me, right?

 

And me too please. It's like when the telemarketers call- I need to say "hey, I'm an atheist- please take me off your list".

[jimmy08]

Actually atheists and pagans and agnostics are on a much healthier path for their lives than legalist evangelical christians. It's much better to not believe in God than it is to believe in an angry God. So atheists are on the right track for departing from the religious organization of christianity.

[Jilly Bean]

You are right. You don't need saving. Christ already saved you 2000 years ago in His death, burial & resurrection. So it does not make any difference what you believe in or what your religion is. God still loves you. He has acknowledged you and you will be in heaven with the rest of us.

 

It's going to be a wonderful party. You are a saint. You are a new creation in Christ.

 

Well, thats not how it works for us, Jimmy.

 

Im sure as a Christian, you are taught respect and tolerance for others religions?

 

That means you understand pagans do NOT believe in your Christ, your God, or needing to saved.

 

Thanks again, but we're all set, and we were actually set LONG before Christianity was formed.

 

So, Il be going to my own party, and I am NOT a creation of Christ.

 

Again, respect other faiths, Jimmy. Thats the Christian thing to do, right?

 

But I am glad you have found peace...

[Green]

your actualy posting his thread about how you don't like god its almost like you want this guy to convince of something you know is true

[Jilly Bean]

your actualy posting his thread about how you don't like god its almost like you want this guy to convince of something you know is true

 

 

Huh?

 

Pay attention, K.

 

I respect his choice and that he feels he is saved.

 

We dont pray to the same God.

[jimmy08]

We're also taught to go into all the word and preach the gospel. The word gospel means good news. I'm sure if you discovered some good news you should want to share it with everyone. Regardless if it's politically correct thing to do or not. I benefit in no way to keep any good news to myself.

[Jilly Bean]

We're also taught to go into all the word and preach the gospel. The word gospel means good news. I'm sure if you discovered some good news you should want to share it with everyone. Regardless if it's politically correct thing to do or not. I benefit in no way to keep any good news to myself.

 

 

You keep rocking on with it, Jimmy!

 

You're on the religious forum, so post away!

 

But, Jimmy? Why is your God angry? Mine aren't, so this is foreign to me.

[jimmy08]

You keep rocking on with it, Jimmy!

 

You're on the religious forum, so post away!

 

But, Jimmy? Why is your God angry? Mine aren't, so this is foreign to me.

 

My God is not angry. Where in my thread does it indicate that God is angry? I'm sharing good news that God is NOT angry with anybody! It's called the gospel of grace & the gospel of peace. God is at peace with all mankind.

[Jilly Bean]

My God is not angry. Where in my thread does it indicate that God is angry? I'm sharing good news that God is NOT angry with anybody! It's called the gospel of grace & the gospel of peace. God is at peace with all mankind.

 

 

You wrote it in post #6.

 

Did I misunderstand?

[jimmy08]

You wrote it in post #6.

 

Did I misunderstand?

 

I said that it is better to not believe in God than to believe in an angry God. What I meant was that it is destructive to the mind for anyone to believe that God is angry at anyone.

 

Most sects of christianity believe that God is angry. Christian universalism is a very small sect that I'm a part of. Christian universalists like myself do not believe that God is angry. We believe God has declared all humanity as righteous and He has redeemed everyone. He's not counting anyone's sins against them.

[Green]

god got angry at moses never let him get to israel

[jimmy08]

Most sects of christianity are telling the world that there is a hell. I'm here to tell the world that there is NO hell and that heaven is waiting for everybody. That's good news. If there is any bad news in the good news then it's not good news.

[Jilly Bean]

I said that it is better to not believe in God than to believe in an angry God. What I meant was that it is destructive to the mind for anyone to believe that God is angry at anyone.

 

Most sects of christianity believe that God is angry. Christian universalism is a very small sect that I'm a part of. Christian universalists like myself do not believe that God is angry. We believe God has declared all humanity as righteous and He has redeemed everyone. He's not counting anyone's sins against them.

 

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

 

We don't believe in "angry" energies. Our faith is based on nature, and we don't have much negativity.

 

I like your take in believing that all is good. Its a much healthier mindset.

[D-Lish]

your actualy posting his thread about how you don't like god its almost like you want this guy to convince of something you know is true

 

Not that I don't like god.... I have just never believed. But it's no skin off my back if others do.

 

It would be like you posting on a thread about the easter bunny.

It doesn't mean you hope the easter bunny exists (unless you are 5 yrs old)... <----- look everyone, it's the easter bunny. I can see it right there, so it must be real!!!! :bunny:

[Green]

Not that I don't like god.... I have just never believed. But it's no skin off my back if others do.

 

It would be like you posting on a thread about the easter bunny.

It doesn't mean you hope the easter bunny exists (unless you are 5 yrs old)... <----- look everyone, it's the easter bunny. I can see it right there, so it must be real!!!! :bunny:

 

your own analogy shows the errors of your own ways. Are you saying you would try to convince 5 year olds something they believe in is a lie? You go around not understanding things from how your car or computer work yet you use them and they are there well god is the same way. Your depressed and you've lost your connection with god

[D-Lish]

your own analogy shows the errors of your own ways. Are you saying you would try to convince 5 year olds something they believe in is a lie? You go around not understanding things from how your car or computer work yet you use them and they are there well god is the same way. Your depressed and you've lost your connection with god

 

Trying to convince a 5 year old that the easter bunny doesn't exist isn't my mission in life... they will figure it out when they GROW UP right???

 

And don't be fooled my friend... I DO know how my car and computer works. I make a point of researching everything. if a subject comes up that I am not familair with- I buy a book on it or take a class.

 

I haven't lost any connection. I never sought a connection to anything that isn't tangible. The god you believe in - well, to me, it's like the easter bunny. I was force fed its existance as a kid- and as soon as I got SMART enough to start asking questions about the world around me, I laughed it off as a fairy tale.

 

Your god is your little thing- it's not everyone's thing.

It certainly isn't my thing- and never will be.

[theBrokenMuse]

Out of curiosity, because I've never had the chance to ask a member of the Universalist Church this just yet... What do you folks make of the scriptures in the NT that clearly state that some people won't inherit the kingdom of God?

[jimmy08]

Out of curiosity, because I've never had the chance to ask a member of the Universalist Church this just yet... What do you folks make of the scriptures in the NT that clearly state that some people won't inherit the kingdom of God?

 

Well there are different schools of thought in the universalist camp. One group of universalists believe that unbelievers and/or people who did not live good lives will have to go to hell or the lake of fire temporary for a purging process. To have all sin purged out of them.

 

But as for me I am one of those universalists who believes that it will NOT be necessary for anyone to make a pit stop to hell for purging since I believe the blood of Christ alone was sufficient enough to purge the human race from all unrighteousness. So I believe we're all good to go to heaven immediately upon our physical death.

 

As for those scriptures about certain people not inheriting the kingdom of God? I'm sure you are referring to 1st Corinthians 6:9-10, Revelation 21:8, etc. that say fornicators, liars, theives, murderers, homosexuals, unbelievers, adulterers, etc. shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

I love those passages. I love those lists. Why? because the reason there will be no fornicators, homosexuals, liars, theives, murderers, etc. in heaven is because they are all cleansed of all unrighteousness and have a new identity when they enter the kingdom of God! This cleansing of all unrighteousness and crucifying of our old identity took place in the death of Christ! (Romans 6:3-8).

 

Why do we have to assume that certain people are excluded from God's kingdom based on those passages? What if those passages are good news that everyone gets into the kingdom of God and that nobody is a fornicator, thief, liar, murderer any longer?

 

If these passages are dealing with certain people being excluded because of their behavior then none of us will make it. We would all be disqualified! We're all in the kingdom of God now and nobody is unclean nor unrighteous. We are all righteous in the eyes of God!

 

Don't you know that there are no unrighteous people in the kingdom of God because everyone is righteous? Don't be deceived. Your old identity was crucified with Christ! That's one way to translate 1st Corinthians 6:9-10. In verse 11 it says "such WERE some of you but you were washed, you were sanctified by the Spirit of our Lord."

 

Verse 11 didn't say "you used to do those things but since you stopped doing them Jesus sanctified you." As far as God is concerned our true identity is a new creation in Christ. That is the identity of the human race. God does not see homosexuals or theives or murderers or unbelievers or fornicators, etc. He does not see sinners!

 

There's an entire world out there that is saved but they don't know it yet. They need to know their true identity in Christ! We don't live in a wicked world. We live in a righteous world where most people don't know they are righteous before God!

[theBrokenMuse]

Well there are different schools of thought in the universalist camp. One group of universalists believe that unbelievers and/or people who did not live good lives will have to go to hell or the lake of fire temporary for a purging process. To have all sin purged out of them.

 

But as for me I am one of those universalists who believes that it will NOT be necessary for anyone to make a pit stop to hell for purging since I believe the blood of Christ alone was sufficient enough to purge the human race from all unrighteousness. So I believe we're all good to go to heaven immediately upon our physical death.

 

As for those scriptures about certain people not inheriting the kingdom of God? I'm sure you are referring to 1st Corinthians 6:9-10, Revelation 21:8, etc. that say fornicators, liars, theives, murderers, homosexuals, unbelievers, adulterers, etc. shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

I love those passages. I love those lists. Why? because the reason there will be no fornicators, homosexuals, liars, theives, murderers, etc. in heaven is because they are all cleansed of all unrighteousness and have a new identity when they enter the kingdom of God! This cleansing of all unrighteousness and crucifying of our old identity took place in the death of Christ! (Romans 6:3-8).

 

Why do we have to assume that certain people are excluded from God's kingdom based on those passages? What if those passages are good news that everyone gets into the kingdom of God and that nobody is a fornicator, thief, liar, murderer any longer?

 

If these passages are dealing with certain people being excluded because of their behavior then none of us will make it. We would all be disqualified! We're all in the kingdom of God now and nobody is unclean nor unrighteous. We are all righteous in the eyes of God!

 

Don't you know that there are no unrighteous people in the kingdom of God because everyone is righteous? Don't be deceived. Your old identity was crucified with Christ! That's one way to translate 1st Corinthians 6:9-10. In verse 11 it says "such WERE some of you but you were washed, you were sanctified by the Spirit of our Lord."

 

Verse 11 didn't say "you used to do those things but since you stopped doing them Jesus sanctified you." As far as God is concerned our true identity is a new creation in Christ. That is the identity of the human race. God does not see homosexuals or theives or murderers or unbelievers or fornicators, etc. He does not see sinners!

 

There's an entire world out there that is saved but they don't know it yet. They need to know their true identity in Christ! We don't live in a wicked world. We live in a righteous world where most people don't know they are righteous before God!

 

That's what I find interesting about the Bible. It's so convoluted that people can interpret it to mean whatever they wish it to. Believers like yourself and a Phelpsist(sp?) can both find parts of the Bible that can be used to reinforce your viewpoints. It's amazing how many denominations and interpretations people have been able to come up with from the Bible.

 

A lot of Christians that I have talked to haven't read much of the writings that were removed from the Bible during the canonization process. Apparently, some of them were taken out for purely political reasons. The apocalypse of Peter (not to be confused with the gnostic version) was one of those writings. It's little more than a detailed description of hell and an overview of the punishments therein but it's actually pretty interesting reading material.

[jimmy08]

Well universalism was taught by the church for the first 400 years after Christ's ascension into heaven. The government tried to make it illegal to preach & teach it. Later on the church fell into apostasy and constintane considered it heresy. Universalists were burned by the stake by constantine's followers.

[Art_Critic]

Whether you like anal sex, oral sex, vaginal sex, upside down sex, etc. you are going to heaven.

 

Jimmy...

 

If we are having anal sex , vaginal sex or upside down sex then I would think we are already in heaven

 

Hell is not getting any ...

 

Thanks for your post Jimmy.. It is nice to know that I've already been saved..

Takes a load off my mind..

 

Take Care...

 

Art