lover454 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 a friend of mine says that she is being fondled and having sexual encounters while sleeping or if she is thinking about sex. This all started two weeks ago when she was fantasizing about a guy she is so in love with. Today she did an experiment: She pulled down her pants and laid on her back and felt someone fingering her they way the guy she is in love used to. And she also felt him feeling her breasts the way he used to. What is this? Her friend Sharon said that Sharon and her husband had the same fantasy as one another and could feel each other fondling one another and they weren't even in the same place. Sharon said the reason why my friend is feeling the fondling is because the guy is fantasizing about my friend at the same time my friend is and they are having sexual intercourse via their spirits. Link to post Share on other sites
ed-205 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I think it's entirely possible for people to have a mental/spiritual "link" to each other, and how that manifests itself in one person pretty much depends on that person. Other than that, IME, it is still essentially subconscious thing, like a fantasy or an erotic dream, and how those people may feel when they are face to face in real life is usually disappointingly different. Some people get pretty freaked-out when confronted with it. Then again, it could be all in her head. Link to post Share on other sites
theBrokenMuse Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Sharon said the reason why my friend is feeling the fondling is because the guy is fantasizing about my friend at the same time my friend is and they are having sexual intercourse via their spirits. Not to be a wet blanket but there is 0% evidence for this type of stuff. Let's think about this rationally for a second. Is it more likely that your friend is having some kind of supernatural experience that is so rare that one can barely find any material on the subject or that the brain, being the powerhouse that it is, is able to trick the body into feeling different sensations? Your brain can trick you into hearing voices, seeing visions, feeling things that aren't there (ie. A person afraid of bugs can scare themselves into thinking they feel something crawling up their arm.), and false pregnancies (in which a woman wants to be pregnant so bad that her pregnancy hormones will kick in, she'll stop having a period, and can even lactate!) Occam's razor shows us that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. What she is suggesting is romantic but not very plausible. If there were credible cases of spiritual contact physically manifesting, it would show some evidence of a spiritual existence which would be a HUGE discovery. One of the most important of our lifetime! You better believe the scientific community would have been all over it, rushing to try and find out more. So, the very fact that you have to try and find out about this via Loveshack rather than read this in a scientific journal is your biggest clue. Link to post Share on other sites
ed-205 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 It was Carl Jung that pushed the notion of the "Collective Subconscious" into the realm of New Age Spiritualism, because the *Scientific* community couldn't accept his work seriously. There really isn't anything "supernatural" about subconscious minds communicating on a subconscious level at all. Both the United States and Russia spent millions of dollars running Remote Viewing programs (Psychic Spies). After the Cold War, the programs were abandoned, not because they didn't yield results, but because the information the Military required was more easily gained through more conventional means. For example, a Remote Viewer might be able to give a surprisingly accurate description of a secret missile base, yet be unable to discern it's exact location. Spy satellites are much better at this. Such is the way of the subconscious. The information it gives is not always what it appears to be, as interpreted by our conscious minds. Having said that... Enjoy your dreams and fantasies, and let yourself be inspired by them, but don't run your life around them because more often than not, a dream is just a dream, (unless you're looking for secret missile bases). Link to post Share on other sites
Mahatma Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I believe firmly in the possibility of things like this. There are many things about our mind that we do not know. However I also firmly believe 99% of the people claiming to have these types of experiences are full of it. Link to post Share on other sites
theBrokenMuse Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 It was Carl Jung that pushed the notion of the "Collective Subconscious" into the realm of New Age Spiritualism, because the *Scientific* community couldn't accept his work seriously. There really isn't anything "supernatural" about subconscious minds communicating on a subconscious level at all. You realize that if it wasn't taken seriously, it's because there wasn't enough proof to his hypothesis to make into a viable theory. Scientists don't deny things because they sound silly, they reject them when they have no basis to accept them. You can say it's not supernatural but it sure sounds a lot like a supernatural claim seeing as it's not something that has been shown to be a part of the natural world just like other types of mind powers like telekinesis and ESP. Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 It was Carl Jung that pushed the notion of the "Collective Subconscious" into the realm of New Age Spiritualism, because the *Scientific* community couldn't accept his work seriously. There really isn't anything "supernatural" about subconscious minds communicating on a subconscious level at all. I'm completely open to it - if it's real, it shouldn't be a problem to show evidence of it... Show me the evidence and I'll take a look. Both the United States and Russia spent millions of dollars running Remote Viewing programs (Psychic Spies). After the Cold War, the programs were abandoned, not because they didn't yield results, but because the information the Military required was more easily gained through more conventional means. Because someone spent a lot of money on something, and it was cancelled because it could be accomplished in a different way, does not demonstrate, or even imply, that the programs did yield results. Show me the evidence. Or else "belief that it is real" is really only "faith." Link to post Share on other sites
LucreziaBorgia Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I have wet dreams like that. It usually isn't about any one person - just whomever I happen to be dreaming about at the time. This vivid type of sexual dream is where the idea of succubi and incubi came from. I have to say, the dreams are very vivid and mine nearly always end in orgasm. I have to say I wish I could dream like that every morning. Link to post Share on other sites
ed-205 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Trimmer and Broken Muse, I've already covered my reasons for believing as I do in the "What is Faith" thread. You, of course, are free to believe as you choose. Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Trimmer and Broken Muse, I've already covered my reasons for believing as I do in the "What is Faith" thread. You, of course, are free to believe as you choose. Haven't read that thread, but as long as you recognize it as faith, and don't try to convice me that it's reality without having any solid evidence, then go with my blessing... Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I had a dream about 7 years ago that my g/f at the time (Now ex, fortunately) was cheating on me. The dream images were very vivid and clear, and I saw her and the guy's every cheating move for @ 15 min. Later that week, her guilty consciousness became overwhelming and she confessed her wrongdoings which matched my dream entirely. I later described my dream to her in more details which weren't given during her confession, and she concluded thought I was spying on her . I don't think these events can be 'scientifically proven' because most reported cases are random events that cannot be forced to happen in an experiment. This is also why they're so easily dismissed. Link to post Share on other sites
ed-205 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I had a dream about 7 years ago that my g/f at the time (Now ex, fortunately) was cheating on me. The dream images were very vivid and clear, and I saw her and the guy's every cheating move for @ 15 min. Later that week, her guilty consciousness became overwhelming and she confessed her wrongdoings which matched my dream entirely. I later described my dream to her in more details which weren't given during her confession, and she concluded thought I was spying on her . I don't think these events can be 'scientifically proven' because most reported cases are random events that cannot be forced to happen in an experiment. This is also why they're so easily dismissed. It's like being asked to *prove* you ate lunch yesterday, and to show *evidence* of what you actually ate to someone who refuses to believe you anyway. I have had these *random* experiences happen to me so many times that I accept them as a normal part of my life, but I can't conjure them up at will. I seldom bother mentioning them anymore, unless it involves a persons well-being, and then I don't say anything about *dreams* or anything "supernatural". Otherwise, they seldom reveal anything useful. For example, I had a girlfriend describe to me with, 100% accuracy, my mother's funeral, including people she'd never met, about 3 months before my mother died of a heart attack. Jung's Collective Subconscious is the closest rational explanation I've heard for it. Link to post Share on other sites
chris250 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Well I believe we have telepathic abilities. If God exists and humans were made in God's image and likeness then we have the same abilities that God has. It's just a matter of discovering and tapping into our telepathic abilities. So yes I believe these things are possible. I could be having sex with a girl in the spirit while she is 50 miles away physically. Maybe in the future we will have evolved enough to where we have mastered telepathic communication and we won't need to use our lips. Just as we will eventually evolve to where we can have sex with our partners just by thinking about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 ....Just as we will eventually evolve to where we can have sex with our partners just by thinking about it. This already happens. It's called "having a vivid imagination". Link to post Share on other sites
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