Ouija Boards and Demon Posession

[gingerelle]

...There was a little toolshed, where he made us suffer...

 

Is that something from the song played backwards? I've heard talk about this song for years, but have never actually listened to it that way. I was always curious though.

 

My two cents on the issue:

 

I come from a very religious background, went to church everytime the doors were open my entire childhood, until I was old enough to decide for myself. Now, although I do belive in God, Jesus, heaven and hell, I do not regularly attend church anymore. And my some of my beliefs have changed from those my parents instilled in me-which is why I no longer attend church on Sundays, and many remain, but I am by no means a religous fanatic. I do not try to force any of my ideas or beliefs on anyone and I do not criticize anyone for having their own ideas and beliefs.

 

However, my brothers and I have all had some "weird" things happen that we cannot explain with logically reasoning. My oldest brother one night alone in his room was reading - and you'll have to forgive me here, for I do not know the proper term for this - "a satanic bible", out of curiosity and after he went to bed later that night, he saw a "bright white light" bounce off his bedroom window and then disappear. He took this as a message from God telling him to stay away from the book he had been reading - and he did! (oh, and before you all start make explainations for it like headlights or a flashlight - his bedroom was three stories up and we lived in a "forest" no streets around)

 

My other brother had a semi-heavy metal band in high school and they would record music on his "boom-box" on a cassette tape - (oh, the days before CD's - ha ha) in his bedroom on the third floor and one day my mother and I came home and heard this music playing and I heard this myself, it sounded like they were backmasking a song - it sounded like very deep voices speaking in some language we didn't understand - my mom being the religous fanatic she is- freaked out and wanted to know what they were listening to, my brother explained that this was the song they had just recorded and that when they played it back that was how it came out. All songs on the cassette before that and after that were normal - but that one song came out like that and nothing ever recorded like that again. Now this one, I'm sure may have a logical explaination, but if you would have heard it, it would have scared anyone.

 

And myself, one night when I was around 12 or so, I had just moved into my older brother's bedroom when he moved out - the famous ball of light bedroom! I had just went to bed, my other brother and his friend were in our basement with the door closed watching TV, my parents were in bed w/ their door closed - and I heard footsteps in our kitchen and being the nosy little sister that I was went downstairs to see who was up- but when I went downstairs, there was no one, everyone was still where they had been with doors closed. I went back to bed, then heard the same noise again, and again I went downstairs - and no one was there. Went back to bed and heard it again - and by the third time I decided I wasn't going to go check it out anymore! I ended up sleeping with the bedroom light on that night.

 

There were other little instances of strange things going on, all of which seemed to happen upstairs on the top floor of our house, I stayed in that bedroom for the rest of the time I lived at my parents and I never felt "safe" in that room, something always seemed unsettling about it, even to this day when I go home to visit and sleep in that room, I feel uneasy sleeping there.

 

My point to all of this is there are things that happen to some people that do not have a simple explaination like the washer in the faucet was loose or whatever. I for one completely believe that their are spirits amoung us, some good and some evil and ocassionaly they can interact with the living. And I do believe that their are demons among us, that work on Satan's behalf. I personally have never "played" with the Ouija or Tarot and never would. I also do not believe in astrology or psychics, I, again MY PERSONAL OPINION, believe they are all work of demons and I do not wish to invite them into my life. Even if they are not the work of some evil being at all, my life is none the less fulfilled without experimenting with these things.

[dyermaker]

Yeah, when I heard the track, I didn't believe it. So I took my own store-bought copy of Led Zeppelin IV (The untitled one), copied Stairway to my computer, and used a program to play it back.

 

Sure enough, there's the following lyrics:

 

Here's to my sweet Satan

The one who's little path

Would make me sad

Whose power is satan

He will give you 666

There was a little tool shed

where he made us suffer

Sad Satan

 

(Forwards it's the "Bustle in your hedgerow" part--IMHO it makes tons more sense backwards than forwards lol)

 

Many people say it was planted (no pun intended ) by Satan as payback for the four selling their souls for success. My guess was it was planted by the church to justify the burnings of perfectly good Zeppelin LPs

[gingerelle]

That's so Freaky!! I mean, how would an artist go about putting a backward message in a song that made some sort of sense forward??? It's all weird to me cause I'm not that creative.

 

Or is it really demons who put it there???? Oh the madness!!!

 

I don't know much about Zeppelin being "satanic" or not, but I am a big KISS fan and I will argue for them anyday. Like Gene Simmons said on the question whether or not KISS stood for Knights In Satan's Service, "I couldn't be that creative if I tried" or something to that effect.

 

Ok, I'm getting of the subject.

[dyermaker]

Zeppelin denies putting the message in the song. Plant said something to the effect of, "Why would we waste so much time, doing something so stupid?"

 

There are a few Satanic things about Zeppelin. All four were into some sort of mysticism, as an interest, to say the least. Their songs often have druidic (?), mystical undertones. Some were also inspired by JRR Tolkien. Jimmy Page was fascinated with the Occult, and even bought (and lived) in the mansion of Aleister Crowley, sometimes referred to as the "Wickedest man in the world." Robert Plant had a son who died tragically, and some added insult to injury by making up Satanic rumors about his death.

 

It's all crap in my mind. While the words that I mentioned above DO sound a lot like it, when I play it for someone else a few times, they usually don't hear it, but when I tell them the words that I (and millions of others) have heard, they get big gasping looks on their face--"Oh! You're right! Spooky!" The power of suggestion.

[silversoulfly]

This so-called "back-masking" subject really is fascinating. I'll have to listen to stairway played backwards. Maybe it's all just chance and, like Dyermaker said, 'the power of suggestion'. I've listened to other songs backwards and didn't hear any "subliminal message" until a friend told me what he heard in it about Satan; after that, I could sort of hear it. I recorded a few of my own songs and played them in reverse just for the hell of it, but it just sounded like I was singing in a different language for every verse. Maybe if I spoke every language, I'd hear something about the devil being my buddy, but I have my doubts.

 

I'm not dismissing it as being impossible that some demonic force was at work in some of the alleged "backmasking", because I've written lyrics and poems in what felt like a trance. It was like some entity was putting words into my head and I just wrote them down as they came to me (like automatic writing). I didn't know what I wrote until I was done, and it just happened to rhyme and all that good stuff. Maybe it was automatic writing... it used to happen all the time. To be honest, some of those lyrics are rather unsettling, but not exactly what I would consider satanic.

 

As for the occult, Ouija boards, tarot cards, etc... I highly recomend for everyone to avoid it all. I'm being SERIOUS here! (I have better ways to pass my time than to make up bull**** stories to post on here). As some of you may have learned from some of my previous posts, I had serious drug problems, but I have been clean for quite some time now. Well, I read some books on the paranormal, and a few gave warnings against performing any kind of seance or even meditating while intoxicated because it leaves the mind vulnerable to negative spirits and possession. Of course, since I was never sober in those days, I ignored those warnings. That was probably mistake. I meditated daily (which isn't a bad thing in itself), doing visualization exercises to develop sharper intuition, and I think that actually worked, because I started to have premonitions that always came true. That's not what frightened me however; It was the strange things that happened after playing with a Ouija board that scared me. Ouija boards never worked when I used them (that I can recall anyway), but I started hearing demonic voices soon after a series of attempted seances. They rarely spoke to me in the beginning, but over time (a period of about four years) the voices would come more frequently, until it was a daily occurrance.

 

I was also reading tarot cards on a daily basis, but those are open to so many interpretations that I don't know if I was really getting accurate readings or not. I have a friend who practices Wicca as a religion, and she swears that ouija and tarot work for her every time, and I have no reason to doubt her, but she also believes that there are no evil entities. I would have to disagree with her there. Many people I used to associate with dabbled in the occult, and some actually fell into Satanism. One of my old hangouts is an apparent hotbed for various entities,

and the man who owns that house recently confessed that he hears voices. In fact, I've heard first hand that pretty much everyone that has been there has heard and/or seen things that scared the hell out of them. So many that I can't dismiss them all as liars, or say they were simply hallucinating- not when some of them were sober during some of their experiences with the unknown, and not when the stories remain consistant over years.

 

As for my earlier post on here about ghosts and such.... I will admit that I was a little stoned on the morning that I saw the Indian spirit (LOL... maybe he was my Spirit Guide) walk through the bar I worked at, but I saw the first ghost (that I recall, anyway) several years before I even drank my first beer. Her presence alone woke me up. I felt someone--or something, rather--watching me, looked in a corner, and there she was... sitting in a chair staring back at me. It was like those Lady In White tales you've most likely heard, because she was wearing a white gown that was all but glowing in the dark. As generic as it sounds, I swear it happened to me.

 

And as for the demonic voices that spoke to me.... Well, thank god those were silenced when I finally got clean... which is a miracle story in itself that I might share some other time. So, you might say that the voices were merely hallucinations induced by drugs, and since I have no evidence to denounce that theory, I won't argue with anyone who assumes that is the case. But, from my personal experiences, I don't believe that is the case. At any rate, I don't have to battle those homicidal devils anymore and that's all that really matters to me. Plus, It gives me a damn good reason to stay sober.

 

Maybe this has nothing to do with the paranormal--then again, maybe it does-- but another thing I'll share with all you strangers is this: Perhaps my first childhood memory is of a re-occurring nightmare that I had most every night for about the first 12 yrs of life. This is how the nightmare would go: I was aware of nothing except complete darkness. I couldn't see a thing. Because I had no idea where I was, what was around me, or if I was on the ledge of a cliff, I would remain completely still. Dreaming that every night would be bad enough, but it wouldn't take long before I would feel a sort of presence close by. At that point, I would hear this derisive, demonic laughter. Laughter isn't quite the right word for it, because it was a noise like no human could make, and I could feel it permeate my body with a vibration, filling me with stark terror and dread. That was it. That was the whole nightmare.

Sometimes when I was awake, I could hear that laughter in my head, and feel the same sensation and emotions that I can't adequately describe. I don't know when I stopped having that nightmare.... I wouldn't even have put that in this post if it weren't for a friend telling me that he had the same re-occurring nightmare when he was growing up. I met him when I was twelve, and he just told me about it last year ( he also saw things that you would not believe, while he was into the occult). Now, this could be a freaky coincidence... I'm not sure what to make of it. It's strange, to say the very least.

 

Okay, well, I just realized how very damn long my post has gotten, so I'll leave you with this:

I highly advise everyone to "just say no", and to heed my warnings of the occult. After all, I'm hardly the only person who had negative experiences as a result of seances and such. If you refuse to heed one of my warnings, at least do yourself a favor and heed the other. Take it from me: Drugs and Spirits don't mix well. As for meditation; that can be beneficial...so long as you know what you're doing.

[SoleMate]

My advice about Ouija boards, tarot cards, horoscopes, numerology and all the rest: it's for, shall we say, the less mentally gifted among us. Either it's phoney, in which case it's stupid, or it's real, in which case it's quite likely evil.

 

If you feel you can truly use it for a laugh only, it may be OK for you, yet you might be in a group of people that includes persons more susceptible and gullible than you are. Why lead weak people astray, or fill foolish mind with more garbage than TV, video games, and marketing campaigns have already shoved in there?

 

Give it a rest, go clean out your closet.

[silversoulfly]

Why don't you tell us what you really think?

cheeze and rice

Just out of curiousity, was that directed at me? Because I think I just did clean my closet.

[Papillon]

I ripped and reversed the relevant part of the song, its available for download here. Use sound recorder to play it and to reverse it to hear the "real" song.

 

Ok, now I've heard it, and you can make out the "lyrics" that Dyermaker quoted, but in my mind its a little shaky, especially the 'tool-shed' bit...

 

I can only laugh at those religious fools who pored over the song with expensive equipment and analysed every microsecond to ferret out evil. Thing is, its easy to hear the words when you have them written in front of you, but to actually write them down from listening to the reversed recording...that's a bit shaky if you ask me....

 

IMO it's all bullsh|t anyway, I would NEVER have heard it played in reversed if I didn't have the lyrics, how in hell would I hear it when played normally?

[gingerelle]

Hey thanks for supplying a link to the back-masking of Stairway to Heaven, I was wanting to hear it , and I'm not much of a computer genius to try and do it myself.

 

And I have to agree with you, it is a hard to "hear" the words that are supposed to be there. I listened to it without looking at Dyer's post a couple of times first and I didn't understand anything much - except I did hear "satan" a couple of times. Then when I read the words while listening to it - then, yeah I could hear them. And your'e right the "tool shed" part isn't clear at all, but the rest was - as long as I was reading along with it.

 

Supposedly, though, you won't hear it when the song is played normally, it is your sub-conscience that is picking it up - that's why they call it a subliminal message. Now, I am not saying it is or it isn't a message from Satan, but it does make you go hmmmmmm!?1? Well, it does me anyway.

[Papillon]

I think it's a coincidence, but I have to admit that I think it's absolutely brilliantly done if it isn't, even if it's sad and pathetic ...

[moimeme]

It's not until you've had something like that happen to you that you'll believe it. Sure, there are flakes in the world, but the sheer numbers of people who believe they have had occult/spiritual/demonic experiences would mitigate against them all being nut jobs.

 

I think it's hilarious that humans still think they know everything about the universe, even though almost daily new discoveries are made which put old science to ridicule. Flying was supposed to be impossible; certainly man could never fly off the earth to the moon, right? There will always be people who believe in possibilities and seek to explain them and others who scoff at everything because they think that humanity has already reached the epitome of knowledge.

 

SoleMate, since when do we tell people to shut up because others might listen to what they have to say?

[Chrissy]

love is never useless their is a use for love it gives us what we need, almost completeness. We want what we are told to want...if we were born in the jungle we wouldnt need veet hair removal cream are daily moisturiser, we would simply ( not in the broder terms) exist. If it is not chemical and indeed spiritual then there is no limits to what we can do with our minds...that is if thats what propaganda tells us to...e.g war(check up on this) people were bought into this as are people in this age, we have still not learned beond the basics of instincual copying.

 

Christina S

[SilverAngel]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This is a pretty complex issue. Let me try and break it down:

 

1. I dont beilve in the oiji (I cant spell lol) board. Mostly I think it is someones subcounis moving the peice, possible by mental means but is still the person non the less.

 

2. What do you think a christain is gonna tell you "Yes go ahead and play in what we think is Satans playground!" ? I doubt it. Being Wiccan (NOT a satanic religon) I know the way most "hardcore" christains feel on the subject...I have been confronted by quiite a few of them on my involvement with the "occult" (they basicaly define anything magickal as "Occult") So I wouldnt expect a friendly reply for that one.

 

3. Demons do exist. Therefore so does Demonic Possesion. This is my beilef anyway. I dont think the boards are a gateway for them though, unless you somehow spell out a ritual to call one which I highly doubt is just going to randomly happen.

 

4. Dabbling is dangerous. There are serious repurcusions to be had from people who didnt know what they were doing and "Daubbled" in the arts. You should only mess with it if you know what you are doing.

 

Anyway those are my thoughts, other may feel diffrently.

 

Angel

[Blood Rapture]

Alright here's just something that happened to me once with a Ouija board. I was in my room with my sister and we were just asking it random questions. Then before we left I asked, “is there anything else you want to tell us?” and it said YES CHOOSE after persistently asking what it meant it spelled out LOSS AND LVE (we assumed the last word was love) My sister asked if I was the one that had to choose and it said NO. I asked if my sister was the one who had to choose and it said YES. It was very weird and no matter what we asked it wouldn’t give out much more info it just kept going in-between YES and NO. I don’t really know what it means, if anything, it was just an interesting experience.