God Is Not A Teddy Bear.

[wuggle]

It astonishes me that in this day and age people not only still believe in god but still have the arrogance to suppose they could know who or what god is. If there was a creator of everything and everyone, who was omnipetant and omniprescent, It strikes me as incredibly arrogant to suppose that you could know his (or her!) mind, let alone tell other people how they should picture the great almighty. If I was going to believe in a supreme being I think I like the image of a giant teddy bear - seems just as probable as a paternal figure with white robes and a long grey beard, or a fat bloke contemplating his naval, or an elephant (etc etc).

 

Have you thought of reading what Darwin wrote ?

[a4a]

It astonishes me that in this day and age people not only still believe in god but still have the arrogance to suppose they could know who or what god is. If there was a creator of everything and everyone, who was omnipetant and omniprescent, It strikes me as incredibly arrogant to suppose that you could know his (or her!) mind, let alone tell other people how they should picture the great almighty. If I was going to believe in a supreme being I think I like the image of a giant teddy bear - seems just as probable as a paternal figure with white robes and a long grey beard, or a fat bloke contemplating his naval, or an elephant (etc etc).

 

Have you thought of reading what Darwin wrote ?

 

Not a Teddy Bear a spaghetti monster!!! Get it right!

[disgracian]

If it goes against your grain, avoid the thread.

Normally I do, but it seems like there's a new "Repent sinners lest ye likewise perish!" thread every week or two. I think the card is being overplayed. And it's not a case of me being down on any particular religion, I just don't think rant-threads like this facilitate any useful discussion. The OP isn't asking for advice or opinions or asking questions, it's just "I'm here to tell you that you're going to burn for eternity because our god is not just about love, but kicking ass as well, so watch it!"

 

I don't think it's appropriate for a discussion forum.

 

Cheers,

D.

[JGT]

Not a Teddy Bear a spaghetti monster!!! Get it right!

 

I see you have been touched by his noodly appendage as well!

[JGT]

BA, do you think there is anything on this planet that could not have evolved by chance? (i.e. had to be created by god)

[Green]

Seriously the people who start these threads are probably already in hell

[theBrokenMuse]

BA, do you think there is anything on this planet that could not have evolved by chance? (i.e. had to be created by god)

Evolution isn't about chance. Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

[IrishCarBomb]

I recant everything I wrote earlier. God is in fact a teddy bear. The Metatron came to me last night and told me that God is actually a Santa Bear... I gotta admit I didn't see that one comin'.

[zxcirce]

"that" god, my father's god, is a petulant child crying cause he wants more attention. he has separation anxiety and is incapable of seeing things from anyone else's pov.

[JGT]

Evolution isn't about chance. Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

 

Dammit, man, I was going to disprove god to BA and you had to go and get all scientific. lol j/k. I was going to do a variation on the Babel Fish from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. For those who haven't read it, here is the bit I'm talking about.

 

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. Q.E.D."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

[Brimstone_Angel]

Dammit, man, I was going to disprove god to BA and you had to go and get all scientific. lol j/k. I was going to do a variation on the Babel Fish from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. For those who haven't read it, here is the bit I'm talking about.

 

JGT, no person or spirit in the world can ever disprove God to me. I have lived too long, witness too many miracles, and seen spiritual things disprove science. So no, if you want to disprove God to some, try those people who are willing to question the existence of God.

[anne1707]

JGT, no person or spirit in the world can ever disprove God to me. I have lived too long, witness too many miracles, and seen spiritual things disprove science. So no, if you want to disprove God to some, try those people who are willing to question the existence of God.

 

 

Glad to see you are so open minded to discussion and the views of others. I guess blind faith must be very comforting - giving you a real sense of superiority.

[Brimstone_Angel]

BA, do you think there is anything on this planet that could not have evolved by chance? (i.e. had to be created by god)

 

There are a LOT of things on this planet that have evolved. From how we treat our bodies and the environment, I know there are a lot of weird things that have evolved into what they are now due to our ways. Strange fishes and plant species that have never been known before. New diseases and toxins born from other things. Yes, I fully believe there is some evolution involved in all plant, animal, and mineral species. God does not halt the progress of life and its outcomes for the most part. So, while I don't believe in the evolutionary theory as far as creation is concern, I do believe things do evolve form their natural state in order to cope with the change of the things around it.

[Brimstone_Angel]

Glad to see you are so open minded to discussion and the views of others. I guess blind faith must be very comforting - giving you a real sense of superiority.

 

Not blind faith, but tried faith. God does not want us to go about our faith blindly (at least not the faith I believe in). He wants us to have our curiosity. He wants us to have our questions. He wants us to try (meaning test) His word. Being blind only leads to damnation. And that is what this thread is about, not turning a blind eye to Gods FULL nature.

 

Why do you think I have a sense of superiority? Do you read any of my other threads or comments in other people's threads? I reveal a lot about myself, the good, bad, beautiful, and ugly side of me. Not because I am superior, but because I have come from some where. I am as flawed as everyone else that walks this Earth. I have to fight my flesh everyday.

 

Anne, I am not superior, but confident in what I have experienced and the enlightenment I have gained. I speak boldly on these things because I know for myself and so in accordance with the Word I give testimony to those things for those who wish to hear and wish to change. This is why I don't question the existence of God. This is why no one can disprove God to me.

[wuggle]

I'm confused, you believe in evolution but not as far as creation is concerned ? do you believe that god created everything then decided to let it evolve ? raises several questions, why make something imperfect in the first place ?, why does he want it to evolve ? (maybe because it was rubbish at first ?) if it wasn't right in the first place why make it ? who made god ?, did god evolve ? what did he evolve from ? maybe god used to be a real bear and evolved into a teddy bear (much more cuddly).

 

ps I thought the whole point in faith was a BLIND acceptance of something for which there is no evidence

 

pps why would god want us to question him and have faith at the same time - seems a bit messed up to me

 

ppps this is a discussion forum, not a preaching one. I have read you book(s) now read some of mine, try Dawkins , he is much easier to read than Darwin (who to be fair was a Victorian !)

[anne1707]

Not blind faith, but tried faith. God does not want us to go about our faith blindly (at least not the faith I believe in). He wants us to have our curiosity. He wants us to have our questions.

 

 

This is why I don't question the existence of God. This is why no one can disprove God to me.

 

 

Question yet not question.... sounds like a contradiction to me.

 

 

 

 

Why do you think I have a sense of superiority? Do you read any of my other threads or comments in other people's threads?

 

 

Yes I have read your posts elsewhere and it is only in this thread that I feel this sense of superiority. That you know something that the rest of us just don't get.

 

 

 

 

Anne, I am not superior, but confident in what I have experienced and the enlightenment I have gained.

 

 

But this is only your personal intepretation of events you have experienced. I am quite sure others would have very different views of the same situation. Does that make them wrong? Are they not enlightened?

[Brimstone_Angel]

Question yet not question.... sounds like a contradiction to me.

 

Let me try another approach. We know the Earth exists. We are firm on that belief. Now things concerning the Earth humankind has questioned, experimented with, and found answers to which has brought us to who we are today. And still with all our enlightenment and masteries, we still are curious. We still question. We still strive.

 

This is how my belief in God is like. I know He exists. However, despite all I know and all that I have experienced. I know there are still things about God and my path I need to know. I am still curious about. That I still need to grow into.

 

Yes I have read your posts elsewhere and it is only in this thread that I feel this sense of superiority. That you know something that the rest of us just don't get.

 

Think of me like a teacher. Of course I know something many people don't get. Just like I may get more about computers than you do. Why? Because I study them. I get more about the Bible, spirituality, and God because I study Him. I walk the path. I know without a doubt that there are plenty of things you get about this world that I don't get. I don't see you any more superior to me than I am superior to you. Your path in this world is your own and you share it according to that path. As I do with mine. We are still humans you and I and neither one of us in the grand scheme of the universe is any better than the other. For all I know, I may go to Hell and you make it to the promise of God.

 

But this is only your personal intepretation of events you have experienced. I am quite sure others would have very different views of the same situation. Does that make them wrong? Are they not enlightened?

 

You are right about it being my interpretation of things I have experienced. And your right about someone having different views. This is why we try the word and deeds by the Word. For we have different paths that God leads us down. It is in accordance with our spiritual growth, blessings, and talents. So, they may not be wrong, for it is their path. And it does not make them any less enlightened than I am. Some may go a way that is totally alien to me and still be more enlightened than I. Why? Because that is their path. They have experienced God in a way I was not meant at this time or even ever. But that is the blessing of God. We can be individuals and walking the same path but in a different way and still achieve the same goal.

 

Does these things make since? I hope so, because you know owe me breakfast missy!

[Geishawhelk]

Let me try another approach. We know the Earth exists. We are firm on that belief. Now things concerning the Earth humankind has questioned, experimented with, and found answers to which has brought us to who we are today. And still with all our enlightenment and masteries, we still are curious. We still question. We still strive.

 

 

Enlightenment means you are no longer curious. Enlightenment is the realisation of all things compounded and ephemeral.

Enlightenment means you no longer question, and no longer strive.

Enlightenment is the cessation of suffering.

[anne1707]

 

Think of me like a teacher. Of course I know something many people don't get. Just like I may get more about computers than you do.

 

 

Now if that isn't a sense of superiority, I don't know what is. But I also know that I could be mistaken..... do you?

[Brimstone_Angel]

Now if that isn't a sense of superiority, I don't know what is. But I also know that I could be mistaken..... do you?

 

Before I say another word...

 

Define superior. And answer these questions...

 

Do your parents, teachers, or older siblings (if you have them) behave superior to you?

 

Do they tell you they are superior because you don't know or get something?

 

Do you think they are?

 

Do you portray yourself as being superior because you know something or get something that someone else doesn't?

 

What makes you superior because of that knowledge or that thing you get?

[anne1707]

OK where do I start?

 

Superior in the context I am talking about is when someone seems to think that they are better than others

 

Parents, teachers, etc..... - I am in my forties so no teachers (but at least I know I am always learning and will never know it all)

 

If somebody told me they were superior because they knew something I did not then that would be their problem, not mine. I would not think they were superior, I would just think they had some knowledge or understanding that was different to mine.

 

I do not think I am superior to anybody. No better, no worse, just human. Simple as that.

 

 

You implied your feelings of your superiority when you said "Think of me as a teacher." What makes you qualified to teach me?

[disgracian]

Nearly everybody has something to to teach others. I also hate to say this but you did rather blatantly quote BA out of context, omitting his/her counterpoint and distorting their meaning.

Think of me like a teacher. Of course I know something many people don't get. Just like I may get more about computers than you do. Why? Because I study them. I get more about the Bible, spirituality, and God because I study Him. I walk the path. I know without a doubt that there are plenty of things you get about this world that I don't get. I don't see you any more superior to me than I am superior to you.

Cheers,

D.

[chris250]

God is love.

[Geishawhelk]

Yes, I'm sure she is.