chris250 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 The right wing evangelical movement in the united states of america is pushing for the cross to be displayed on the american flag. I think this is unconstitutional. I am a christian and I would not want to see a cross displayed on our country's flag. But pretty soon it will come through. I will stop saluting the american flag once they put a cross on it. I don't believe in putting my hand on the bible when I appear in a court of law on the witness stand. I don't believe in taking an oath under God. Sure I'll take an oath to tell the truth but I will make it clear that it will NOT be based on "so help you God." I support the ACLU in many things. I want to keep church & state separate. If the antichrist is a literal person then I think emperor constantine fit the bill as he made christianity the state religion. He used christianity for political gain. So christians who are looking for the antichrist I have news for you. He already came in the 4th century. Anyone who joins religion and government together is practicing antichrist works. I say it's time that we take the 10 commandments off of every courtroom wall in America including the Supreme Court. It's a violation of separation of church & state. Take down all the crosses from cemeteries. The law of God is written on our hearts. We don't need laws written on stone to tell us how to behave. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 The law of God is written on our hearts. We don't need laws written on stone to tell us how to behave. actually, we do, to remind us that we have a moral code to uphold, whether one personally believes in God or not. Non-spiritually speaking, it's a good guideline for people to follow to practice being good neighbors to each other, especially those people who feel they are above good moral behavior. as for the cross being sewn on the flag, I think it's a bad idea because the flag represents everyone, not merely one religious factor. And I'm pretty sure Baby J wouldn't have a problem with that either, because he's the one who told his contemporaries to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's ... that the kingdom of God is waaaayyyy different than an earthly kingdom. Link to post Share on other sites
theBrokenMuse Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 This is not a Christian nation, despite what some folks wish to think. It's a secular nation with a Christian majority. I don't see how the ultra religious could ever get away with something that blatant. People can't even sneak creationism into the classroom. If such a thing were to ever occur it would be like defecating on the constitution and would signal to me that I might want to look at real estate someplace far, far away because a theocracy would only be a few steps away (and we've all seen how well those tend to work out for the citizens living in them.) Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Our flag is made up of crosses. Those of St George, St Andrew, St Patrick.... We are a christian country, because our Monarch is the head of the Church of England. We can live with it. Link to post Share on other sites
norajane Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 This is not a Christian nation, despite what some folks wish to think. It's a secular nation with a Christian majority. I don't see how the ultra religious could ever get away with something that blatant. People can't even sneak creationism into the classroom. If such a thing were to ever occur it would be like defecating on the constitution and would signal to me that I might want to look at real estate someplace far, far away because a theocracy would only be a few steps away (and we've all seen how well those tend to work out for the citizens living in them.) Well, they snuck the words "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance when those words were not part of the original, and they're still there today. And ALL our money says "In God we Trust" on it, paper bills and change. That's pretty blatant. However, adding a cross to the flag isn't going to happen. At least, I don't think it would happen. I hope. Link to post Share on other sites
theBrokenMuse Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Well, they snuck the words "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance when those words were not part of the original, and they're still there today. And ALL our money says "In God we Trust" on it, paper bills and change. That's pretty blatant. However, adding a cross to the flag isn't going to happen. At least, I don't think it would happen. I hope. Yes, however, it's been argued that 'God' isn't an inclusive term that is promoting any one particular religion you see. The flag thing would be. Link to post Share on other sites
norajane Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Yes, however, it's been argued that 'God' isn't an inclusive term that is promoting any one particular religion you see. The flag thing would be. Those of us who don't believe in God, and don't believe our government should be promoting God or gods or wicca or anything, don't particularly buy into that argument. And how much more ironic could it be - promoting God on MONEY. Link to post Share on other sites
theBrokenMuse Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Those of us who don't believe in God, and don't believe our government should be promoting God or gods or wicca or anything, don't particularly buy into that argument. And how much more ironic could it be - promoting God on MONEY. I'm an atheist and I don't agree with it, I'm just giving the reason as to why that particular move (the flag thing) would be harder for them to accomplish than the money. If it can remain vague enough they can get away with crap like that because let's face it, the godless really don't have much of a political voice in the US. We are a non-entity as far as politicans are concerned. Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 The right wing evangelical movement in the united states of america is pushing for the cross to be displayed on the american flag. I think this is unconstitutional. I am a christian and I would not want to see a cross displayed on our country's flag. Since no one has asked the obvious question....do you have some link that would show this to be true? As someone who is close to the "right wing evangelical movement," I can say I am not familiar with this. However, I admit there are many strange ideas out there. Where did you read or hear this? Link to post Share on other sites
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