clv0116 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 You're splitting hairs. Not at all. Being obese is caused by insufficient exercise and too much eating at any point in life. During pregnancy it's healthy to put on some weight but there's no good reason to keep it on. I know plenty of fat asses who have never had kids and plenty of slim women with 2 or more kids. Life is full of choices, and what to have for dinner is one of them. Link to post Share on other sites
sedgwick Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 So the only reason you're no longer attracted to her is that she's gained weight? Fail. Why is it ok for a woman to complain about all of her needs? Would it really hurt women now of days to put a little effort in? Did he say she was complaining? Oh, and it's "nowadays." I know plenty of fat asses who have never had kids Barf. Link to post Share on other sites
OneFootOut Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 People, no sense on anyone getting angry at anyone else on here, sh*t, anger hasn't helped any of us at this point, we all have different ways of dealing with "stress", just remember the first "golden rule" of e-mail; "Do not reply in haste, or, anger, or, emotional unbalance", sorry, but this place works best for us all when we are not fighting, sure we can disagree, but we have to agree to disagree, "can't we all just get along", g.... I'm not angry at anyone else on here, nor did I say I was. I am referring to my own personal situation, in which I have been running through an array of emotions.. most recently ANGRY, and I'm not even sure what I am angry about or why. Link to post Share on other sites
theBrokenMuse Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Not at all. Being obese is caused by insufficient exercise and too much eating at any point in life. During pregnancy it's healthy to put on some weight but there's no good reason to keep it on. I know plenty of fat asses who have never had kids and plenty of slim women with 2 or more kids. Life is full of choices, and what to have for dinner is one of them. As a person who's been fat all my life (and am I actually cool with it by the way so don't worries about having to put on kid gloves or anything) I can tell you that there is a reason that there has never even been one recorded case of twins where one is very thin and the other is very obese. Genetics and metabolism play a much bigger part in obesity than you seem to comprehend. We aren't all just sitting on our fat arses stuffing ourselves with gravy and doughnuts all day. The fact that so many people are clueless about this baffles me. Oh, and please don't call me 'sugar'. I don't know if it was meant in a condescending way or not but it sure comes across that way to me. Link to post Share on other sites
OneFootOut Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 As a person who's been fat all my life (and am I actually cool with it by the way so don't worries about having to put on kid gloves or anything) I can tell you that there is a reason that there has never even been one recorded case of twins where one is very thin and the other is very obese. Genetics and metabolism play a much bigger part in obesity than you seem to comprehend. We aren't all just sitting on our fat arses stuffing ourselves with gravy and doughnuts all day. The fact that so many people are clueless about this baffles me. Oh, and please don't call me 'sugar'. I don't know if it was meant in a condescending way or not but it sure comes across that way to me. Not to go off on a tangent, but I agree and I understand the weight issue is much more complex than that every fat person sits around eating. Pregnancy can do a number on a woman's body. With the back to back pregnancies I went through, I was left weighing an additional 150 pounds AFTER the babies. And no, don't key in on this and say "no wonder my husband is distant", he was long before the weight issues, as I have explained. Though my being depressed and in a funk from everything else probably did play a role in how slow I have been in getting it back off. This is just one more thing for me to have to deal with. Thankfully, after 2 years of eating healthy and walking, it has finally started to come off again. I've been a size 5 petite, and a size 5x in my life, most of my weight issues were a direct result of something triggering my body to gain excessively during (all 4) pregnancies. If you are of the mind set that being overweight is a choice to be lazy and eat bad or not, you really need some education. Link to post Share on other sites
lkjh Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 As a person who's been fat all my life (and am I actually cool with it by the way so don't worries about having to put on kid gloves or anything) I can tell you that there is a reason that there has never even been one recorded case of twins where one is very thin and the other is very obese. Genetics and metabolism play a much bigger part in obesity than you seem to comprehend. We aren't all just sitting on our fat arses stuffing ourselves with gravy and doughnuts all day. The fact that so many people are clueless about this baffles me. Oh, and please don't call me 'sugar'. I don't know if it was meant in a condescending way or not but it sure comes across that way to me. Not to jump in on sides but my little brothers are twins and one was skinny and the other was fat. The fat one lost a lot of weight a year ago. Food and exercise play a huge role. To the person who ask if she was complaining, I was talking about women in general. Link to post Share on other sites
theBrokenMuse Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Not to jump in on sides but my little brothers are twins and one was skinny and the other was fat. The fat one lost a lot of weight a year ago. Food and exercise play a huge role. To the person who ask if she was complaining, I was talking about women in general. It seems as though you are correct. I did a little digging this morning and there are now studies that show that identical twins who eat roughly the same and can actually have vastly different weights (which is actually quite shocking to me). It goes to show you how much I've been paying attention to this subject since '00 eh? I guess that the study at the New England Journal of Medicine is vastly out of date. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Like the cheesy Saturday morning commercials that offered tidbits of trivia to young minds used to say, The more you know! 'insert shooting star here'. Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Genetics and metabolism play a much bigger part in obesity than you seem to comprehend. . Actually there are some studies that suggest metabolism is not a cause of obesity and that those who are overweight have a faster metabolism than those who are a "healthy" weight. I have posted some links referring to this (I have avoided the scientific journal items just so I can post something that is in understandable English ): http://www.weightlossforall.com/metabolism-weight-slower.htm http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/slim/fatthin.shtml http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=990CE2D7163DF93AA35750C0A963958260 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/slow-metabolism/AN00618 http://www.naturalnews.com/022921.html Link to post Share on other sites
theBrokenMuse Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Actually there are some studies that suggest metabolism is not a cause of obesity and that those who are overweight have a faster metabolism than those who are a "healthy" weight. I have posted some links referring to this (I have avoided the scientific journal items just so I can post something that is in understandable English ): http://www.weightlossforall.com/metabolism-weight-slower.htm http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/slim/fatthin.shtml http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=990CE2D7163DF93AA35750C0A963958260 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/slow-metabolism/AN00618 http://www.naturalnews.com/022921.html I never said that fat people have a slower metabolism than thin people. I am saying that most people's metabolism works against them in weight loss and according to even some of your own articles this would be the case. I read your links and I have to tell you, not to sound like a barking mad conspiracy theorist, I tend to be skeptical of taking articles and even studies at face value when it comes to weight loss and I'll tell you why. It's a multi-billion dollar industry here in the states that depends entirely on repeat business and it's amazing when you look to see who funded some of the studies that are out there and how poorly some of these studies were conducted with a poorly constructed control group or that that doesn't allow for outside factors when drawing conclusions, ect. Of course eating healthy and exercise is important. I don't think anyone would be so stupid as to dispute that but there are those of us out there who are both fat and don't have any health issues related to it because we take care of ourselves. I happen to be one of them. I always was - even when I used to have to be scolded to eat because I was too busy running around like a nut outside all day as a kid. Some of us are just that way because we are built that way. Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 All I was trying to say is that metabolism is not always to blame. And I know those articles do state that in rare occasions, overweight people do have a slower metabolism. I too hate the diet industry especially when it offers "miracle cures" such as weight loss tablets. I also did not raise any other health issues in my post - I realise that somebody who is classed as overweight may be healthier than someone who is considered to be within a healthy weight range. I am not having a go at anyone. I have battled with my weight all my life. I could say that compared to my H, he has a fast metabolism (he struggles to put weight on) and I have a slow metabolism. But I know that is not the case. I recognise that my eating habits - eating too fast, portions too big, having to clear my plate, etc all contribute to my weight problems. At the end of the day, I know that for me to lose weight, I have to eat less/better and exercise more. Link to post Share on other sites
sedgwick Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 To the person who ask if she was complaining, I was talking about women in general. Well then that's even more clueless and offensive! Link to post Share on other sites
clv0116 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Some people have a hard time, for instance *I* add pounds easily but if I eat right and exercise it will at least be muscle. In the final analysis though anyone(*) can, with varying degrees of effort, be a healthy weight. (*) Excluding the vanishingly small number who actually have a medical condition. Link to post Share on other sites
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