Would it matter if Jesus was gay?

[chris250]

I saw a you tube video recently about this issue. The question asked at the conclusion of the video was would it really matter if Jesus was gay?

 

Now there is no evidence to prove one way or the other that Jesus was or was not gay. But that's beside the point. There is a passage in one of the gospels where Jesus said that peter was a disciple that He "especially loved."

 

That can be interpreted many ways. What if Jesus did have a romantic relationship with peter? Would it undermine the theme of His teachings? Isn't the summary of His teachings is to "do unto others as you would have others do unto you?"

 

Actually I never find anything in the 4 gospels where Jesus spoke out against homosexuality. You would think it would be in there at least once or twice if it was such an important issue.

 

So I personally keep an open mind to the possibility that my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ could have been gay during his earthly life. If the central theme of His message was about love then it shouldn't really matter what His sexual orientation may or may not have been.

 

It shouldn't matter whether or not any of His disciples are gay either. If you are walking in love then you are one of His disciples regardless of your sexual preference, religious beliefs, culture, race, gender, etc.

 

There's so many things about Jesus' life that we do not know and will continue to remain a mystery. Afterall He accomplished more things in His life that no libraries on the face of this earth would have enough room to record everything He did.

 

So would it really matter whether or not Jesus was gay? Why or why not?

[Diamonds&Rust]

Actually I never find anything in the 4 gospels where Jesus spoke out against homosexuality. You would think it would be in there at least once or twice if it was such an important issue.

And you would think, considering how many times Christ drove home the point that we shouldn't give a crap about money and should take care of the poor first, that would have made some sort of a dent on the Christian right.

 

Jesus didn't have the intellectual freedom to "speak out" against homosexuality because the concept is a wholly modern one. The idea that someone could actually be predisposed to pursue the same human relations that straight people do, but with someone of their own gender, is still not fully accepted, and was largely developed only in the last forty years or so. Sure, the people who don't accept it are hateful idiots, but they exist in large numbers.

 

There is a kind of god-fearing, straight male who is threatened by homosexuality and uses their religion to justify that. They don't care what's mentioned in the gospels. They'll take an epistle and wrench it out of context if they have to. They are quick to express outrage, for example, at the creation of social programs to care for our poor, despite Jesus' constant imploring that we need to put ourselves last in favor of taking care of the poor.

 

That said, if you believe Jesus is God, then he transcended sexuality altogether. He wasn't bisexual so much as pansexual, and didn't need sex for self-actualization because he was called to a higher purpose.

 

If you believe Jesus was a man, then no, I don't think it matters. At least not to me.

[burning 4 revenge]

If Jesus was gay he would have been in denial or closeted, because in the Jewish society he lived in it would have been about as acceptable as it is in Islamic societies today

 

To me it wouldn't matter, it would just be kind of ironic and poignant

[Trialbyfire]

If you refer to the book of Genesis, supposedly his dad leveled a few cities due to his homophobia. What do you suppose home life would have been like for Jesus?

[burning 4 revenge]

If you refer to the book of Genesis, supposedly his dad leveled a few cities due to his homophobia. What do you suppose home life would have been like for Jesus?

good point, but his dad did end up demanding his crucifixion which makes one wonder about their relationship

[Trialbyfire]

good point, but his dad did end up demanding his crucifixion which makes one wonder about their relationship

If you really think about it, maybe Jesus was adopted 'cause his dad had issues. Then when Jesus grew older, he created a new covenant with the human race as a form of rebellion. Then...his dad had him crucified. Makes sense, no?

[chris250]

I believe Jesus was both God and man. When He came to earth in the flesh He had the same needs that all humans have. He needed food, air, water, sleep, clothing, etc. So I'm sure He had sexual needs as well while He was here in the flesh. He was tempted in all ways as we are but He never sinned.

 

No I don't believe being gay is a sin. It just means one has a different sexual preference than others. We're all unique and have different tastes, different dreams, different things we want to do with our lives but that doesn't make it right or wrong. I'm sure Jesus had a favorite food while on earth and it was probably fish.

 

It would be a boring world to live in if we all sang the same tune and walked the same, dressed the same, had the same culture, etc. I think religion especially evangelical christian religion wants a world of uniformity instead of unity. There is a big difference between the two.

[burning 4 revenge]

If you really think about it, maybe Jesus was adopted 'cause his dad had issues. Then when Jesus grew older, he created a new covenant with the human race as a form of rebellion. Then...his dad had him crucified. Makes sense, no?

so you think when Jesus started telling the Jews to eat pigs and abusing his magical powers turning water into wine it pissed off the big guy?

[Trialbyfire]

so you think when Jesus started telling the Jews to eat pigs and abusing his magical powers turning water into wine it pissed off the big guy?

Yes, it was a classic act of teenage rebellion, over his dad's anger management issues.

[burning 4 revenge]

I'm sure Jesus had a favorite food while on earth and it was probably fish

that seems an argument for his being straight

[quankanne]

if you believe Jesus is God, then he transcended sexuality altogether.

 

my thoughts precisely ... and therefore, sexuality really didn't matter because he understood that he had a mission unlike any other that existed. Anne Rice touches on this in her second Christ the Lord novel, where he denies an attraction he feels for a young woman in his family because he understood that if he were to fulfill his ultimate destiny, he would not be able to fairly pursue a life the way other men did ...

 

but his dad did end up demanding his crucifixion

 

not according to the Bible I read. God became incarnate with the birth of Jesus; Jesus offered himself up as a sacrifice for the salvation of mankind. As a human, he could freely pick what path he wanted, and he chose this. God wasn't making demands on anyone ...

[burning 4 revenge]

if you believe Jesus is God, then he transcended sexuality altogether.

 

my thoughts precisely ... and therefore, sexuality really didn't matter because he understood that he had a mission unlike any other that existed. Anne Rice touches on this in her second Christ the Lord novel, where he denies an attraction he feels for a young woman in his family because he understood that if he were to fulfill his ultimate destiny, he would not be able to fairly pursue a life the way other men did ...

 

but his dad did end up demanding his crucifixion

 

not according to the Bible I read. God became incarnate with the birth of Jesus; Jesus offered himself up as a sacrifice for the salvation of mankind. As a human, he could freely pick what path he wanted, and he chose this. God wasn't making demands on anyone ...

yeah but that sacrifice wouldnt be necessary if the omnipotent, omnipresent, omnicient God didnt demand it

 

the only way to make sense of it in any kind of literal way would make God a suicidal sado-masochist, soI dont think it was meant to be taken literally

[Lovelybird]

Actually who indeed put Jesus on cross? we, us, sinnful human. If human don't sin, there would not need an atonement

 

I don't think Jesus thought that much sex as we do, he had more important things to do. His mind was wrapped up with eager of saving souls, agony of human's ignorance that kind of things

 

How can carnal mind understand spirit mind? only our human mind cannot understand what God is thinking, but Spirit of God knows

[Trialbyfire]

How can carnal mind understand spirit mind? only our human mind cannot understand what God is thinking, but Spirit of God knows

If so, how can any organized religion hope to understand what God intended for mortal man? This must mean that all Church dogma is inaccurate.

[Lovelybird]

Spirit of God, Holy Spirit communicate with human about what God wants us to be

[Trialbyfire]

Spirit of God, Holy Spirit communicate with human about what God wants us to be

How can a man with a carnal mind understand the Holy Spirit?

[burning 4 revenge]

If so, how can any organized religion hope to understand what God intended for mortal man? This must mean that all Church dogma is inaccurate.

Well Im getting off topic, but maybe the church doesnt need to understand things that dont even really exist in the way your thinking

[Trialbyfire]

Well Im getting off topic, but maybe the church doesnt need to understand things that dont even really exist in the way your thinking

I had to read that several times and what it appears to mean is that the Church doesn't know what it's talking about or if it does, it can't communicate it to the average person.

[Lovelybird]

When Holy Spirit lives in human, God opened their spiritual vision and spiritual ear to hear; not just carnal vision

[Trialbyfire]

When Holy Spirit lives in human, God opened their spiritual vision and spiritual ear to hear; not just carnal vision

 

How can carnal mind understand spirit mind? only our human mind cannot understand what God is thinking, but Spirit of God knows

 

Those two statements are in direct conflict.

[burning 4 revenge]

I had to read that several times and what it appears to mean is that the Church doesn't know what it's talking about or if it does, it can't communicate it to the average person.

I think the Church is there to remind of us of our obligations first and formostly to our families and after that to our society (ie the sick and the poor)and to add ceremonial signifigance to important milestones in this mortal coil and it has an imperial mandate to do so since it is rooted in millenia of tradition

[Trialbyfire]

I think the Church is there to remind of us of our obligations first and formostly to our families and after that to our society (ie the sick and the poor)and to add ceremonial signifigance to important milestones in this mortal coil and it has an imperial mandate to do so since it is rooted in millenia of tradition

So you believe that the Church is only there for the sake of "community". Beyond that, it's just showboating.

[burning 4 revenge]

So you believe that the Church is only there for the sake of "community". Beyond that, it's just showboating.

I wouldnt call it showboating. Its rustic. Thats the way I like to think of it

[Nemo]

Well Im getting off topic,

That's not really a problem, as this thread can always be resurrected.

[Trialbyfire]

I wouldnt call it showboating. Its rustic. Thats the way I like to think of it

I can live with rustic charm, dolled up with papal guilding.