Would it matter if Jesus was gay?

[Lovelybird]

Actually God written what is right what is wrong in every human's heart. Deep down everyone knows what is right and wrong. But when carnal mind get best of them, that blind them spiritually.

 

Only carnal mind cannot understand spiritual things. but when spirit of God lives in you, God will give you understandings about spiritual things (and only when this person is hunger enough and humble enough to receive). Otherwise only carnal mind cannot understand

[Trialbyfire]

Actually God written what is right what is wrong in every human's heart. Deep down everyone knows what is right and wrong. But when carnal mind get best of them, that blind them spiritually.

 

Only carnal mind cannot understand spiritual things. but when spirit of God lives in you, God will give you understandings about spiritual things (and only when this person is hunger enough and humble enough to receive). Otherwise only carnal mind cannot understand

What about the aboriginals in Papua New Guinea?

[burning 4 revenge]

I can live with rustic charm, dolled up with papal guilding.

maybe quaint would have been closer to what i meant

[Storyrider]

What about the aboriginals in Papua New Guinea?

Someone just told me an interesting quote from a novel featuring a fictionalized conversation with God. Paraphrased it was something like...

 

"Not all roads lead to me, most just lead nowhere. But I will go anywhere to find you."

 

I thought that was interesting.

[Trialbyfire]

maybe quaint would have been closer to what i meant

Can you plse explain your perspective to people who believe that the Church is the mouthpiece to God?

 

Aboriginals can't be baptised, therefore, can't go to Heaven, since no matter how good a person they've been in their lives, they're still contaminated by original sin and any other "thou shalt nots", they've violated. How in the world can this be, if God has written everything into people's hearts but the Church is the mouthpiece of God?

 

As for Jesus being Gay, the entire fabric of Christianity would be torn asunder if he was.

[Lovelybird]

Someone just told me an interesting quote from a novel featuring a fictionalized conversation with God. Paraphrased it was something like...

 

"Not all roads lead to me, most just lead nowhere. But I will go anywhere to find you."

 

I thought that was interesting.

That is beautiful, Story

[Trialbyfire]

Someone just told me an interesting quote from a novel featuring a fictionalized conversation with God. Paraphrased it was something like...

 

"Not all roads lead to me, most just lead nowhere. But I will go anywhere to find you."

 

I thought that was interesting.

I'm not an atheist, thus find this appealing. Just agnostic and a definite unbeliever of organized religion.

[Storyrider]

That is beautiful, Story

 

I'm not an atheist, thus find this appealing. Just agnostic and a definite unbeliever of organized religion.

 

Yes, I found it appealing too. The friend who quoted it is also struggling with some things about organized religion, esp. Catholicism.

[burning 4 revenge]

As for Jesus being Gay, the entire fabric of Christianity would be torn asunder if he was.

well it would be if he did gay things, yes i think youre right. theres no way to be literally faithful to gospels and politically correct at the same time

[sb129]

B4R, why do you have Darlin Coco as your avatar? Didn't she change her username?

 

Now I am really confused.

[Trialbyfire]

Yes, I found it appealing too. The friend who quoted it is also struggling with some things about organized religion, esp. Catholicism.

Snap!

 

well it would be if he did gay things, yes i think youre right. theres no way to be literally faithful to gospels and politically correct at the same time

The message of Christ is so not the message of many sects of Christianity. It's heretical, the differences.

[sb129]

Changing the avatar is not answering the question B4R!

[burning 4 revenge]

Changing the avatar is not answering the question B4R!

to steal an avatar you just right click on it and save the picture then go to the cp and put it in as your own

[sb129]

Ok point taken. But where is DC then?

[burning 4 revenge]

Ok point taken. But where is DC then?

shes been hanging out on other threads avoiding you

[sb129]

Ok I am just going to go and cry myself to sleep now.

[alphamale]

So would it really matter whether or not Jesus was gay? Why or why not?

of course it would, thats like asking would it matter if jesus was a moslem

[D-Lish]

Hmmm.... Okay- the new Testament is all Jesus. Matt, Mark, Luke, John... and of course Paul. Paul is pretty much the one that paraphrased a whole lot of things and then wrapped his notion of "Christ" and his teachings around the communities he was in contact with. He was like a messenger/conduit most likely decades after Jesus died.

 

Paul took the philosophy of J-man and sold it in his own words. (salesman- and very good!) Christianity should be accredited to Paul... as he was the dude that wrote things down and spread the love. Jesus never wrote anything we have record of. Paul spread the word of his philosopher king Jesus. He did so by collecting the works of matty, Marky- Mark, Lukester and Johhny. Then he began to interpret and preach his own words.

 

Paul to Jesus is like Plato to Socrates.... Right? Socrates never recorded anything... so we rely on Plato and trust his accounts are truth. Ever heard of the "telephone game?"

 

Okay, want to get into the Old Testament??? IT IS FILLED WITH homosexual references. Lots of sodomy... lots of sexual references.

Lots of sex in general. And yes... if you have a challenge... I can spew forth tons of stuff that you never heard in Sunday School.

 

Research what CANON is. It is basically what men in "position" throughout the ages have decided what can or cannot be included in the Bible.

All the "new versions/editions" that you read? People in charge have looked things over and decided what can and cannot be included in YOUR Bible.

 

I'm just saying- The Bible isn't History, it's a series of stories strung together that sometimes co-incide with history and sometimes do not.

Who wrote crap down first? Sumarian law on tablets I think? I struggle to remember.

 

Was Jesus Gay? Who could ever, ever know.

That's a very unstable documented period.

Would I care personally? Hell nah.

 

You've heard from your resident Atheist.

 

Whatever- people always ignore my posts on the religious studies threads.

I am probably staying up late engaging in homosexual sex for nothing... thanks guys.

[Lovelybird]

Hmmm.... Okay- the new Testament is all Jesus. Matt, Mark, Luke, John... and of course Paul. Paul is pretty much the one that paraphrased a whole lot of things and then wrapped his notion of "Christ" and his teachings around the communities he was in contact with. He was like a messenger/conduit most likely decades after Jesus died.

 

Paul took the philosophy of J-man and sold it in his own words. (salesman- and very good!) Christianity should be accredited to Paul... as he was the dude that wrote things down and spread the love. Jesus never wrote anything we have record of. Paul spread the word of his philosopher king Jesus. He did so by collecting the works of matty, Marky- Mark, Lukester and Johhny. Then he began to interpret and preach his own words.

 

Paul to Jesus is like Plato to Socrates.... Right? Socrates never recorded anything... so we rely on Plato and trust his accounts are truth. Ever heard of the "telephone game?"

 

Okay, want to get into the Old Testament??? IT IS FILLED WITH homosexual references. Lots of sodomy... lots of sexual references.

Lots of sex in general. And yes... if you have a challenge... I can spew forth tons of stuff that you never heard in Sunday School.

 

Research what CANON is. It is basically what men in "position" throughout the ages have decided what can or cannot be included in the Bible.

All the "new versions/editions" that you read? People in charge have looked things over and decided what can and cannot be included in YOUR Bible.

 

I'm just saying- The Bible isn't History, it's a series of stories strung together that sometimes co-incide with history and sometimes do not.

Who wrote crap down first? Sumarian law on tablets I think? I struggle to remember.

 

Was Jesus Gay? Who could ever, ever know.

That's a very unstable documented period.

Would I care personally? Hell nah.

 

You've heard from your resident Atheist.

 

Whatever- people always ignore my posts on the religious studies threads.

I am probably staying up late engaging in homosexual sex for nothing... thanks guys.

Every stories in Bible has spiritual guidance value

 

Maybe Jesus knew God would send Holy Spirit to believers. Think about that his followers still clearly remembered every words Jesus said after so many years, why is that? Holy Spirit made them remember

 

I believe Socrates had met Holy Spirit. As he said he felt guided by invisible being in him. And Socrates thought invisible world is more real than the tangible world. How interesting is that

[D-Lish]

Every stories in Bible has spiritual guidance value

 

Maybe Jesus knew God would send Holy Spirit to believers. Think about that his followers still clearly remembered every words Jesus said after so many years, why is that? Holy Spirit made them remember

 

I believe Socrates had met Holy Spirit. As he said he felt guided by invisible being in him. And Socrates thought invisible world is more real than the tangible world. How interesting is that

 

YOU'RE INTERESTING Miss Lovley B... You find optimism in everything.

 

I used to get angry and upset at your posts...but I softened to your kindness. Doesn't mean I believe in God- but perhaps you can concede that people can believe in particular things and still be kind.

 

Can you?

 

And a real question- would you love a "Gay Jesus"?

[Lovelybird]

YOU'RE INTERESTING Miss Lovley B... You find optimism in everything.

 

I used to get angry and upset at your posts...but I softened to your kindness. Doesn't mean I believe in God- but perhaps you can concede that people can believe in particular things and still be kind.

 

Can you?

 

And a real question- would you love a "Gay Jesus"?

Thanks, D-lish, you have a compassionate heart, I can feel that in your posts

 

I can see kindness in all kinds of people, and I still study and ponder about it

 

I love Jesus, I won't treat gay much differently, but I guess I would surrender to what God wants and teaches, in practice side, it has been proved that God's way is always much better than mine, even I don't understand at the moment. I wanted things happen and work in MY way, but this real world doesn't function that way. Only by surrendering to God, I can find peace and harmony with the world. In this sense, everything happens for a good reason: continue to grow close to God, become more mature

 

A pastor even said this: I am excited even when I had tough time, because I know God is going to make me grow. For this man there isn't much 'tough time' seems

[burning 4 revenge]

Can you plse explain your perspective to people who believe that the Church is the mouthpiece to God?

I was re-reading this thread and I remembered I skipped this because I didnt know how to answer it

 

I still dont really. If I told believers that I felt a literal interpretation of Christianity was childish and vulgar I would feel like an elitist jerk and so I cant say that, but at the same time its how I feel about it if Im honest.

 

One of the things I love about Catholicism is its intuitive understanding of the relationship between beauty and sorrow /between beauty and pain. The Catholic church has never shyed away from being sensual and celebrating the senses which are the essence of life and that is why artistic beauty has such importance in Catholic tradition. It is quite a thing to walk into a gothic style cathedral and see the gorgeous architecture, the stained glass windows ,the sculptures, the paintings, the candles and the altar and all of those things.

 

But when you look at the images represented you mostly see images of suffering and death. The Protestants wont allow the crucifix, because they only want to think of the ressurected Jesus, but in the Catholic church the dying and suffering Jesus is essential, because its his suffering that connects him to us, its suffering that makes us alive and real and what makes us better is endure that suffering with dignity and to become more empathetic to our fellow human beings through that suffering

 

If this was all about getting some reward then it would lose its richness and religion would become devoid of any depth. But its hard for me to find the right words so I guess Ill stop there

[Diamonds&Rust]

its hard for me to find the right words

i think the words you did find are quite beautiful.

[burning 4 revenge]

i think the words you did find are quite beautiful.

oh thanks

 

ive noticed you write intelligent and thought provoking posts, so your compliment is much apreciated

[Lizzie60]

Would it matter? Naaahhhh... I think he might have been gay.. since he never married.. hung out with 12 apostles all the time..

 

Was Marie-Madeleine a prostitute? maybe... I read somewhere that she was.. but Jesus let her wash his feet with her hair..

 

Does all of this matter? Nope.. this type of religion is down the drain as far as I'm concerned.. they stuffed us up with so many ridiculous stories when we were young..