Abraham-Hicks & Law of Attraction

[Explorer]

I would like to bring to your attention, 'Abraham-Hicks' (If it hasn't been already).

 

Abraham is a form of non-physical source energy channeled through Ester Hicks. Similar to how a radio station picks up on a tower signal, Abraham can be picked up through human meditation by vibration thoughts.

 

Abraham's essential teachings since 1986 have been presented as follows:

1. You are a physical extension of that which is non-physical

2. You are here in this body because you chose to be here

3. The basis of your life is freedom; the purpose of your life is joy

4. You are a creator; you create with your every thought

5. Anything you can imagine is yours to be or do or have

6. You are choosing your creations as you are choosing your thoughts

7. The universe adores you; for it knows your broadest intentions

8. Relax into your natural well-being. All is well.

9. You are a creator of thoughtways on your unique path of joy.

10. Actions to be taken and money to be exchanged are by-products of your focus on joy.

11. You may appropriately depart your body without illness or pain

12. You cannot die; you are everlasting life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Hicks

 

Esther-hicks was one of the original narrator and stars of film "The Secret."

 

As someone who's normally cautious and a skeptic, I find myself naturally wanting to believe in everything she presents. Her youtube videos are simply a must see!

 

Is anyone familiar with her?

 

If so, or not, please share your opinions as I'm eager to read them.

[NoIDidn't]

This is getting pretty big now. I have friend that is a published author in the field (isn't everyone, though).

 

Sounds too hocusy-pocusy for me, though. Just like those Christians that believe they can "name it, and claim it". Its the same thing. Attempting to manipulate the universe via positive thoughts. And when it doesn't work, those pushing it will tell you that you didn't believe it enough. Or in Christian circles, that you don't have enough faith.

[RecordProducer]

Urgh.. destruction, power, money, control, sex... every time they disguise in something "meaningful" - for your own good. It's so old and so sickening. All these sects and BS-ers (gurus, coaches, guides, prophets, etc.) exist for only one purpose - and that purpose is NOT to make YOU happy.

 

2. You are here in this body because you chose to be here

Yes, I didn't kill myself today or yesterday or even the day before... this sounds like telling a frustrated law student "Well, YOU chose law school!" So they are telling you that YOU chose to live, so suffer; but let's talk about happier options!

3. The basis of your life is freedom; the purpose of your life is joy

Are they selling some of these "joys", too? It sure sounds like it.

7. The universe adores you; for it knows your broadest intentions

Well, since it adores me, perhaps it could pay for at least half of my bills? Or maybe you had the other way round in mind?

 

11. You may appropriately depart your body without illness or pain

Another "Let me lead you to suicide" sect! You BS gurus depart your bodies - that would be quite appropriate, since you're nothing but blood-sucking parasites on this earth.

12. You cannot die; you are everlasting life.

Yeah, yeah...

[Geishawhelk]

Pisses me off.

Much of the philosophy of these books is taken from much older and wiser philosophies, but they carefully and selectively leave out the more uncomfortable bits like the fact that you have to work on yourself a huge amount and take responsibility for everything you create by your thoughtless and selfish attitudes.

They just heavily edit and give you all the pretty bits for one purpose, and one alone.

To get you to pay their bills for them.

 

It's CR*A*p.

[Trimmer]

Well, you asked to share opinions...

As someone who's normally cautious and a skeptic, I find myself naturally wanting to believe in everything she presents.

As a skeptic, you want to believe in everything presented? Isn't this a direct contradiction? If you were a skeptic, you would be resistant to believing something in the absence of compelling evidence.

 

My opinion is that it's pure hokum.

[Explorer]

Well, you asked to share opinions...

 

As a skeptic, you want to believe in everything presented? Isn't this a direct contradiction? If you were a skeptic, you would be resistant to believing something in the absence of compelling evidence.

 

My opinion is that it's pure hokum.

 

Woops, was a bit tired when I wrote this.

 

Meant to say, "As someone who's normally cautious and a skeptic, I find myself ununusally wanting to believe in everything she presents."

[Geishawhelk]

Well yes of course....Quelle surprise....

 

And she succeeds by doing exactly that.

Tapping into the desire people have to believe it's all true.

 

This is why people like her are so good at making money.

they access the weak and vulnerable, who would do anything - just anything - for things to go their way.

[Explorer]

Pisses me off.

Much of the philosophy of these books is taken from much older and wiser philosophies, but they carefully and selectively leave out the more uncomfortable bits like the fact that you have to work on yourself a huge amount and take responsibility for everything you create by your thoughtless and selfish attitudes.

They just heavily edit and give you all the pretty bits for one purpose, and one alone.

To get you to pay their bills for them.

 

It's CR*A*p.

 

One of the attendees in her conferences posed a question about contradictions and similarities of Jesus vs her material. She responded by saying that - sometime ago there was a test done on language content translation. A letter was written from english then translated to spanish and then translated back from spanish to english. By this time, the letter reached this point, it was unrecognizable from its original content (Comparing the Bible). In addition, her defense was that the message conveyed from Jesus during those times *related* to those times and they'd be very different now.

[Explorer]

Well yes of course....Quelle surprise....

 

And she succeeds by doing exactly that.

Tapping into the desire people have to believe it's all true.

 

This is why people like her are so good at making money.

they access the weak and vulnerable, who would do anything - just anything - for things to go their way.

 

This is incorrect at least for me. It sustains my interest because she backs up the content she conveys. Watch her videos before you jump to conclusions so quickly.

 

Many of her followers already have money (Including myself) but find the message interesting, inspiring with def some truth behind it.

 

She preaches positive thinking. What's so wrong with that?

[Geishawhelk]

I have watched her videos.

I still think they're cr*a*p.

She's spouting pseudo-wisdom steeped in ancient teachings but omitting the gritty stuff.

So, many of her followers have money.

How many do you know who have followed her and don't have money, or all the fine and wonderful things she promises?

 

This is all old stuff.

 

meh, if you're happy, go for it.

But it's illusory, because it's unsustainable.

[Mahatma]

I do believe in some truth to the Law of Attraction, but these people use explanations like "quantum physics" to explain it. The way they use quantum physics is complete crap and just use it since most people do not understand quantum physics (including them).

[Trimmer]

Woops, was a bit tired when I wrote this.

 

Meant to say, "As someone who's normally cautious and a skeptic, I find myself ununusally wanting to believe in everything she presents."

OK, I get it - at least the sentence now makes sense syntactically (if not, in my opinion, philosophically... )

 

...these people use explanations like "quantum physics" to explain it. The way they use quantum physics is complete crap and just use it since most people do not understand quantum physics (including them).

I think this is a great point, and one of the reasons that when someone says that "she backs up the content she conveys..." I become even more skeptical. When they use the principles of "quantum physics" as part of their "evidence" then that just reinforces my skepticism even more. This is one of the standard propoganda techniques, where you associate yourself with a concept that carries high credibility (i.e. scientific research, quantum physics), and thus bask in the reflected glow of that credibility, but on careful consideration, one finds that there isn't actually a direct connection between the "evidence" and the beliefs being claimed. It's wrapping yourself in a flag - Look, look... this sounds just like Quantum Physics... Oooh, Aaaah... Well then it must be true - there's "scientific evidence."

[The Collector]

Believe you can fly, then jump off a building. Let me know how that works out for you.

[Trimmer]

She preaches positive thinking. What's so wrong with that?

Nothing more "wrong" with it than believing in unicorns because they make you feel good. It's hard to say there's anything wrong with that, but it still isn't evidence or support that it's true.

 

Believe you can fly, then jump off a building. Let me know how that works out for you.

As with some religions, if it doesn't work and you go splatting onto the sidewalk (or fail to reach your goals, or whatever,) the prophet will twist it around and tell you that this actually proves the original belief - clearly your faith and the depth of your belief was just not strong enough.

[knaveman]

From the short description above it sounds like someone took a lot of really nice sounding parts from a lot of really nice sounding religions and left out all the bad and difficult parts. It sounds like the Law of Attraction only applies to the good things and ignores the bad things that may be attracted to us.

 

I have a hard time trusting something like this when it's goal seems to have too much to do with materialism and money.

 

However, we must each find out own path. If this works for some and makes their lives enjoyable and fulfilled, then it can't be all terrible.

[Explorer]

Look at the people who are succesful and happy. Ask them about Law of Attraction and if they believe. I bet you'd find the results eery.

 

One thing I've picked up from her (And believe in) is how your attitude in life shapes your reality. I think that life is full of a bunch of neutral props in which you have the power to assign a meaning to; whether it be positive or negative.

[Explorer]

Nothing more "wrong" with it than believing in unicorns because they make you feel good. It's hard to say there's anything wrong with that, but it still isn't evidence or support that it's true.

 

 

As with some religions, if it doesn't work and you go splatting onto the sidewalk (or fail to reach your goals, or whatever,) the prophet will twist it around and tell you that this actually proves the original belief - clearly your faith and the depth of your belief was just not strong enough.

 

Oprah believes.

[Touche]

I'm with the others. I think it's a bunch of malarkey but I do agree with this:

 

One thing I've picked up from her (And believe in) is how your attitude in life shapes your reality. I think that life is full of a bunch of neutral props in which you have the power to assign a meaning to; whether it be positive or negative.

 

Oprah believes? So what? She's still fat.

[Explorer]

I have watched her videos.

I still think they're cr*a*p.

She's spouting pseudo-wisdom steeped in ancient teachings but omitting the gritty stuff.

So, many of her followers have money.

How many do you know who have followed her and don't have money, or all the fine and wonderful things she promises?

 

This is all old stuff.

 

meh, if you're happy, go for it.

But it's illusory, because it's unsustainable.

 

One of her followers stood up to defend what you've just said. He mentioned some scientific test (Forgot the details) that was done on the bible in hopes to eliminate the content with less validation. Once shortened, he said the bible then preached exactly what Abraham-Hicks does.

 

"Ask and you shall receive."

 

Hocus Pocus? I don't know. What I do know is that in my life, if I didn't utilize positive thinking, I wouldn't be at where I am.

[The Collector]

Oprah believes? So what? She's still fat.

 

Touché!

 

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[Explorer]

Oprah believes? So what? She's still fat.

 

She's building a storage to lessen the possibilities of starvation for 2012.

[Touche]

Touché!

 

.........

 

 

She's building a storage to lessen the possibilities of starvation for 2012.

 

 

Oh so that's it! But only for the starving children in Africa..not in her own country of course.

[Explorer]

 

 

Oh so that's it! But only for the starving children in Africa..not in her own country of course.

 

It's all in her long-term plan. She's gotta keep the ones alive with the most hunting experience to redistribute food back to the world. What New Yorker do you know who can kill a Buffalo with a javelin?

[Touche]

It's all in her long-term plan. She's gotta keep the ones alive with the most hunting experience to redistribute food back to the world. What New Yorker do you know who can kill a Buffalo with a javelin?

 

Not I that's for sure! (Yep, I'm a New Yorker)

[Trimmer]

Oprah believes.

...and if that's enough to convince you, then more power to you; I'm not trying to convince you to give up a crack habit here. Anything can be taken to an unhealthy extreme, but as beliefs go, this one seems pretty harmless.

 

Just don't call yourself a "skeptic."

 

One of her followers stood up to defend what you've just said. He mentioned some scientific test (Forgot the details) that was done on the bible in hopes to eliminate the content with less validation. Once shortened, he said the bible then preached exactly what Abraham-Hicks does.

 

"Ask and you shall receive."

Again, without further backup, this is that same "associative" propaganda. Oh, so someone standing up in an audience said it was a "scientific" test? Well then, what they said must be true, and that must prove the point....

 

Please then, cite the reference to where this was published as I would like to review that research. That's being a skeptic.

 

Hocus Pocus? I don't know. What I do know is that in my life, if I didn't utilize positive thinking, I wouldn't be at where I am.

Hey, I don't disagree with that for a minute. I absolutely believe that having a positive attitude and confidence in yourself can affect the behaviors of the people around you and thus their interactions with you, and thus have a significant effect on your life.

 

But I think that this is a separate issue from believing that the universe is aware of you and "knows your broadest intentions" and responds to your wishes, or that you have to resort to quantum physical mysticism to explain how having conficence, focusing positively on your goals, and being nice to others will have a beneficial effect on your life....