Abraham-Hicks & Law of Attraction

[Explorer]

and if that's enough to convince you, then more power to you;

 

The Oprah bit was a joke. Lighten up.

 

 

Again, without further backup, this is that same "associative" propaganda. Oh, so someone standing up in an audience said it was a "scientific" test? Well then, what they said must be true, and that must prove the point....

 

Please then, cite the reference to where this was published as I would like to review that research. That's being a skeptic.

 

I did research this test after I heard of it. It did exist. I mentioned in my previous post that I 'forgot' the details. Will see if I can find them again to give to you, Trimmer. Lighten up.

 

 

But I think that this is a separate issue from believing that the universe is aware of you and "knows your broadest intentions" and responds to your wishes, or that you have to resort to quantum physical mysticism to explain how having conficence, focusing positively on your goals, and being nice to others will have a beneficial effect on your life....

 

Those of you who believe that quantum physics do not play a role in Law of Attraction, I would like to flip the question on you. Please show me how it does not.

[Trialbyfire]

I strongly believe in the power of positive and negative thought. You're the only person who can make things happen, for or against you.

 

Having said all that, the universe doesn't revolve around each person. If it did, that's a helluva' lot of spinning...and yes, I meant that both ways!

[The Collector]

The Oprah bit was a joke. Lighten up.

I did research this test after I heard of it. It did exist. I mentioned in my previous post that I 'forgot' the details. Will see if I can find them again to give to you, Trimmer. Lighten up.

 

I don't see anybody being in need of lightening up. The posts you are replying to are perfectly civil.

 

Anyway, who cares if the Bible can be made to have a similar message to the 'Law Of Attraction?' The Bible's a load of hooey too, promising things it can't deliver to gullible wishful thinkers.

 

Those of you who believe that quantum physics do not play a role in Law of Attraction, I would like to flip the question on you. Please show me how it does not.

 

I'm afraid the burden of proof is on the claimant. If I say I can communicate with extra-terrestrials, it's not up to anyone else to prove I can't, it's up to me to provide evidence that I can.

[Trimmer]

The Oprah bit was a joke. Lighten up.

Sorry, you'd been pretty earnest and thoughtful through the rest of this thread, and I don't know you that well. All we have to go on is written words on the screen, so I took it in the context of the thread.

 

As to your subsequent assertion that she's got a storage cache built up for the end of the world in 2012 (the Mayan calendar reference, yes?) - that was stated without any smilies or anything... Now I'm not sure whether that was factually correct, or if you frabricated it as a joke, and even if it was factually correct, are you stating it as support for her dedication to all-things-mystical, or as an example of her wackiness in spite of her public credibility?

 

I don't normally like over-use of emoticons, but a couple of smileys would have gone a long way here...

 

I did research this test after I heard of it. It did exist. I mentioned in my previous post that I 'forgot' the details. Will see if I can find them again to give to you, Trimmer. Lighten up.

Seriously, I'd love to see it. If it truly meets the standards of "science" I'll gladly consider it's results, but it's the kind of thing I like to see at its source.

 

Those of you who believe that quantum physics do not play a role in Law of Attraction, I would like to flip the question on you. Please show me how it does not.

Ha ha... Now that I know you're joking and that I need to lighten up, I see your sense of humor! Good one,man.... Good one!

[Ronni_W]

, 'Abraham-Hicks' ... Is anyone familiar with her?

I bought a 3-pack of her books: The Law of Attraction + Ask and It Is Given + The Astonishing Power of Emotions. For where I was at the time, received the most out of the last. (The 2nd book seemed to me to be a rehashing of the other two, so I skipped most of it.)

 

Yes, it can be considered "recycled" material from some other philosophy or Teacher/Guide. But I think it is a good thing that similar messages are being given in a multitude of ways. 'Something for everyone,' type of thing, and hopefully we'll all get to where we are all going...at some point.

 

For me -- and acknowledging that it is my own limits of my own beliefs -- all these teachings somehow feel 'incomplete'...like there is something I am just totally not getting about it and/or that there is a vital piece missing.

 

But the basic message is the same from all the sources that I prefer to get this type of info from. (I *love* channeled stuff, so Abraham is right up my ally!) Conversations With God, Gregg Braden's stuff, too many to mention.

OR, that is what I'm into so that is what I attract and manifest

 

However, we must each find out own path. If this works for some and makes their lives enjoyable and fulfilled, then it can't be all terrible.

Yes, exactly. "All roads lead to Rome" -- doesn't matter if one's individual path is labeled Christian, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Jewish, Islam, "New Age" or something else.

 

I'm honestly not feeling the need to knock those who don't believe as I do...what would such a need/desire say about ME??? Hhmmm.

[Geishawhelk]

I'm not knocking you.

I'm knocking her.

whilst I agree with this statement,

 

Yes, it can be considered "recycled" material from some other philosophy or Teacher/Guide. But I think it is a good thing that similar messages are being given in a multitude of ways. 'Something for everyone,' type of thing, and hopefully we'll all get to where we are all going...at some point.

I only agree with it up to a point.

The danger with promulgating this type of literature is that vulnerable and impressionable minds believe that it's original, and only get half the picture.

It is to be hoped that people get to where they're going, but it would be good to give a more balanced view.

[Ocean-Blue]

I think there might be some truth to this.

 

A lot of what I have is through positive thought. More specifically, I visualize, imagine, etc. what it is that I want and I BELIEVE that I can achieve it...and soon enough, it happens.

 

I like to think I have a super power or something.

[Mahatma]

I think there might be some truth to this.

 

A lot of what I have is through positive thought. More specifically, I visualize, imagine, etc. what it is that I want and I BELIEVE that I can achieve it...and soon enough, it happens.

 

I believe in many of the ideas of the law of attraction, but it has just been commercialized.

 

All you need to know is think positively and visualize what you want. THAT is it. You did not need to buy a book or a movie just to get that information.

[knaveman]

This is something that makes me suspect somewhat of the whole thing. Not against it, just suspect of the motives of Esther Hicks.

 

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Hicks

 

The Secret

Esther Hicks was a narrator and star of the original version of the film The Secret. Hicks earned over $500,000 for her work and was reportedly a central source of the film's inspiration. However, the footage featuring Hicks was removed from the later "Extended Edition" after a conflict between Hicks and the film's creator Rhonda Byrne. The conflict is reported as being primarily about intellectual property rights and money. Hicks claims she did not receive a fair share of the film's profits. Abraham–Hicks Publications has subsequently posted a video on which explains Hicks' decision to discontinue her involvement with The Secret.

 

Just wanted to throw that one out there.

[Ronni_W]

The conflict is reported as being primarily about intellectual property rights and money. Hicks claims she did not receive a fair share of the film's profits.

It's tough to know what to believe. I'd heard that Esther & Jerry didn't like that other collaborators had appeared to become too money-focused, and were "misusing" the project for their own ends (in perception of E & J.)

 

At the same time, what is really wrong with getting paid well for providing whatever service people want and are willing to pay whatever price for? There isn't any "commandment" that spiritual people ALSO have to be poor .

 

As far as original question...if one finds value in the works, or is drawn to it for WHATEVER reason, following one's own instincts/intuition (Higher Self? Soul's calling? WHATEVER you want to call that 'inner thing') is likely the best course of action that one can take.

 

May The Force Be With You. Be Well. God Bless. Namaste. Live Long and Prosper.

[knaveman]

At the same time, what is really wrong with getting paid well for providing whatever service people want and are willing to pay whatever price for? There isn't any "commandment" that spiritual people ALSO have to be poor .

 

Didn't say it was wrong, just a little suspect for me. I feel more comfortable following a spiritual leader who doesn't place importance on money and material things. That's all.

 

The Dali Lama won the Nobel Peace Prize and gave all the prize money away. Jesus Christ drove the money changers from the temple.

[Ronni_W]

Didn't say it was wrong, just a little suspect for me.

Sorry, knaveman, I should have been clearer...I wasn't directing the question at you specifically, but generally, to whomever wanted to ponder upon it.

 

I get what you're saying, and many (most?) people do feel more comfortable with a spiritual leader who is not money-focused.

For me, it's not so much how much money one has but how one ends up using it...as case with Dalai Lama, Gates, Buffet, Oprah, et al. I agree with you that it is good to use it for, er, good .

[Geishawhelk]

At the same time, what is really wrong with getting paid well for providing whatever service people want and are willing to pay whatever price for? There isn't any "commandment" that spiritual people ALSO have to be poor .

 

Granted.

but as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather follow a spiritual leader whom I know has my best interests at heart. They want me to fill my soul, as opposed to empty my wallet.

[Fun9455]

I have given the law of attraction alot of thought and have read all the previous tread. I think the most valuable part of it is pointing out how our beliefs effect our perception of reality and that will change the outcome of our decisions and life. We will find personal evidence to reinforce our belief system while ignoring evidence to the contrary. If you see the world as benevolent and people as helpful that is what you will experience and "attract" If you believe the opposite that is what you will see everywhere. There are some really interesting experiements on a psychological phenomenon called "inattentional blindness". (viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu?flachmovie/15.php). So I believe in energy effecting outcomes, but the quantum physics stuff is misguided. The main problem with it is a problem of scale. The secret movie extrapolates the behavior of sub-atomic particles to the behavior of every day object that we interact with. This is misguided and erroneous. The interplay between what we consider matter and energy is fasinating, and mysterious, and the concepts are belittled by reducing them to ways we can manipulate everything towards our misguide desires.

[Ronni_W]

, I'd rather follow a spiritual leader whom I know has my best interests at heart. They want me to fill my soul, as opposed to empty my wallet.

Geisha,

I look at it from the other side: Would I empty my wallet in order for my soul to be filled? And if not, what value am I really placing on my spiritual teachers and my spiritual advancement when I ask for/expect no-cost or low-cost "soul fulfillment"?

Obviously there isn't an "appropriate" or "inappropriate" price, so it's just a personal decision...we are still all going to end up in "Rome", sooner or later

[Geishawhelk]

Well turn it round again.

Does a teacher who says they can change your life but they'll need your account number, strike you as someone who has your best interests at heart, or theirs?

I'm all for VFM, but I can recognise a money-making scheme when I see one.

My gripe is for the people who can't, buy into the dream with huge expectations - and find they've been fleeced.

[Ronni_W]

Does a teacher who says they can change your life but they'll need your account number, strike you as someone who has your best interests at heart, or theirs?

Doesn't strike me as a "teacher" at all, spiritual or otherwise.

I was talking about genuine spiritual teachers, though -- people who CAN and DO help others fill their souls (with or without payment.)

 

Scam artists are, IMO, a totally different kettle of fish. But then one can also have a conversation about the Karma/Life Lessons of those who do get fleeced...how/why did they attract that experience???

[Geishawhelk]

You misunderstand karma.

[knaveman]

I was talking about genuine spiritual teachers, though -- people who CAN and DO help others fill their souls (with or without payment.)

 

I think what Geish is trying to say is that a teacher that is teaching spiritual ways, genuine or other will never ask for your money. A genuine spiritual teacher doesn't need material compensation. There's a difference between asking for money from your congregation to keep the church going and the priests fed, and keeping up the payments on your mansion. I would be interested to know how much Esther Hicks gives to charity on a yearly basis? Or does she believe that the Law of Attraction ends when she cashes the check?

[D-Lish]

I pay my therapist 100$ an hour... I could have one for free through health care, but I got a recommendation for a private one and have chosen to pay for her services.

 

It helps me immensely.

She has a nice home- where her practice is located out of... and I find her experience and insight invaluable.

 

Should her advice to me be considered less meaningful to me because I pay for it? I doubt she's in the business of helping others for the money... because she is very good at what she does.

 

Everyone needs to make money to live. The churches need to have money to survive.

 

Buyer beware comes to mind. I bought the book The Secret and felt duped. It didn't reveal anything to me I didn't already have knowledge about.

 

No matter who you turn to to find a better you... it's good.

 

My mom goes to church every Sunday and hands in cash to the collection plate- I go to my therapist 2 times a month and cut her a cheque. Whatever works. Both of us are getting our needs met and the other parties are getting their needs met.

 

Therapy is somewhat of my spiritual guide.

[Geishawhelk]

Yes, D-Lish, but there's a vital point here.

She can only probably devote time to...oh, say between 4 - 6 people a day?

 

These so called self-styled gurus host seminars, conventions and gatherings, seeing close up to goodness-knows how many hundreds of people in the space of about an hour. 2 if you're lucky.

 

Multiply the convention/seminar fee (and some get into the high hundreds, or even thousand-dollar bracket) by the amount of people there.....

 

Tidy sum, it adds up to....

 

Plus all the profits from book sales - it's a bit different to your therapist's fees....

 

I take your point, but you see what I'm saying?

[Explorer]

Well turn it round again.

Does a teacher who says they can change your life but they'll need your account number, strike you as someone who has your best interests at heart, or theirs?

I'm all for VFM, but I can recognise a money-making scheme when I see one.

My gripe is for the people who can't, buy into the dream with huge expectations - and find they've been fleeced.

 

Frankly, I am not aware of any teachers/leaders/spiritual advisors who provide services for free.

 

How much they're asking for should be the question...

 

When I make a decision on the amount, I validate it with the content....how much will this help me? ....Do I believe in this material?...has this leader helped others?....etc, etc....

[Geishawhelk]

I know several.

I make a donation, but it's completely voluntary, and I've never been asked directly to make one.

[NicolaiLarsen]

To pull you right back into the threads subject, I want to tell you my thoughts about "The law of attraction" (Actually, I did, but the post got erased due to external link, dam:-D)

 

The secret behind the law of attraction is FOCUS.

You can achieve anything in the world, just not everything.

 

If you want to achieve something in life, you will make it really hard for yourself with a negative approach.

 

Whatever you think about you will attract into your life, because it's your focus.

 

Positive thinking can literally turn your world upside down.

 

Randy Pausch said this in one of his lectures:

 

“if you refuse to allow yourself to dream it, I know you won’t do it!”

 

And that's so true!

 

Whatever you think about becomes reality, because your mind controls your experience of life. Your feelings are created from your minds perception of situations, but luckily you can control your mind, your FOCUS. If your approach are negative, then you will experience negative. Because your focus is negative.

 

If you can control your mind, you can control your world.

 

Let's have an example:

If you believe that it takes a life-time to become millionaire, then it will take a life time, because your mind thoughts are a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Your perception will narrow your oppurtunities.

 

You can use NLP to create new habits, delete old destructive, turn up the experience of a emotion etc. NLP use the mind to operate. NLP coaches can litterally make you smiling like a 6 year old kid opening up his present chrismas eve just by guiding you to control your mind.

 

They might create a scenario, where you find yourself on a peaceful beach, you will feel freedom and genuine happiness.

 

In reality you wasn't there, but that doesn't change your experience and your feelings, they are the same as if you were there. So isn't the experience real? Of course it is, because you experience world through your mind and feelings and they said you were on a peaceful beach, not in a room with an NLP coach. But in fact you were, but that doesn't matter because you used your mind to experience something much more fantastic.

 

If you learn to control your mind, thinking positive, visualize, creatin strong believes etc. You can change your life upside down.

 

“I read somewhere… how important it is in life not necessarily to be strong… but to feel strong.”

 

- Christopher McCandless

 

 

Take care :-)