boxing123 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 So, I suppose women who are consumed with finding a man who make a "decent" living, cannot put a monetary range on it. At least one said "She wouldn't date a guy who makes 40k or anything" Now cops who start off at 19-23k in most cities are considered "decent wage earners" Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 How are guys who have never been held out as princes by any woman on earth going to understand? They're not. To them, the men we call princes are all necessarily going to be fabulously wealthy and drop dead gorgeous. That's why they think we're making this up. Not necessarily guys. The guys we choose to love ARE princes to us though because of the many traits and qualities they possess. And also because of the things they DON'T have...like bitterness. Has any woman ever thought YOU were the cat's meow? A prince? If so, why not? Do you think it's only because you don't make a lot of money or because you may not be fabulously handsome? Think again.I could list so many attractive traits about my snowman, of which none include money or looks. One primary trait is that he's rock solid and dependable. You immediately know you can lean on this man in your time of need, not that it's necessary. If that makes me a weak female, so be it. Weak I am and loving the feeling! Link to post Share on other sites
movingonandon Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 In my town too, cops make a decent living. What are you getting at Movingon!??! Well, that's not the point. The average police officer salary is somewhere in the $40s, and so is the average US salary, I think. Sure, huge variation from location to location, but that's irrelevant after adjusting for cost of living. I'd never defend lazy or unambitious people, but given that 65-70% of the population makes 50k or less, dismissing on the basis of such income essentially says "i won't be dating anybody average" (and of course nobody on this forum is "average" !) Well, I personally have no problem dating anybody average, regardless of criterion, as long as they're a good person. Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 One primary trait is that he's rock solid That's always the case in the early stages of a relationship. Let's hope he can keep it up. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 So, I suppose women who are consumed with finding a man who make a "decent" living, cannot put a monetary range on it. At least one said "She wouldn't date a guy who makes 40k or anything" Now cops who start off at 19-23k in most cities are considered "decent wage earners" You can't possibly know how much cops make everywhere, can you? For your information, a first class constable makes a littler over 80k in Toronto, Canada. This is a decent salary for someone living there...he's not poor nor is he rich. You can't name a price. It's the situation, the people, etc. It's also about what stage of life you're at. I'm just starting my career, as is my SO. I don't expect him to be making oodles of money. What I do expect is that he is true to himself and realizes his potential. That's what's important to me. Usually, a man who is financially successful (however you define it) tends to be one who is smart enough to capitalize on his strengths, hone his skills, etc. You sound so warped. I honestly feel sorry for you. It's like you are watching everything, in slow motion, under water. You can't hear. All you see are mouths moving - you don't care to be open to discussion. Do you have any idea how incredibly narrow-minded, jaded, and sad you sound? Is this the way you want to live your life? Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat33 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Well, that's not the point. The average police officer salary is somewhere in the $40s, and so is the average US salary, I think. Sure, huge variation from location to location, but that's irrelevant after adjusting for cost of living. I'd never defend lazy or unambitious people, but given that 65-70% of the population makes 50k or less, dismissing on the basis of such income essentially says "i won't be dating anybody average" (and of course nobody on this forum is "average" !) Well, I personally have no problem dating anybody average, regardless of criterion, as long as they're a good person. Well you are the one attaching a monetary value, I specifically said someone who makes less than me wouldn't be ideal, and will more than likely have a different lifestyle than myself, therefore our paths wouldn't even cross really. So I don't even think in those terms when I meet a guy all the guys I meet are in the same lifestyle bracket as myself or above I live in a city of professionals and to even live in the city you have be able to afford a certain lifestyle . For the purpose of this discussion I am making the point that if I had a choice I would much rather be with someone of my level, in every sense of the word but not that I ever need to worry about it in terms of giving it some startegic thought it just happens that way and I like that. Plus I don't want to be more than a guy because I make more than him it's not good for the male ego to go out with someone that makes more than him or who has more. Look at how affected Vonerik is just by thinking of dating a career woman. Cops make double that in Canada. Link to post Share on other sites
boxing123 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Another one.. "I just want my man to reach his potential" lol Look, I was not born yesterday. I realize money is very important to (Moderator Insert: some) women. (Moderator Insert: Some) men realize that. That is how I word it, and that is the most honest and direct way. Why is it so difficult for (Moderator Insert: some) women to just say "Money is very important to me". Money. Money. Money. I know you LOOVE money. I know all (Moderator Insert: some) of you are entitled to it because of your plumbing. Do you feel it sounds ugly and shallow when actually stated directly? is that why you use all of these other words and phrases to mask the fact that a man's paycheck is of the utmost importance to (Moderator Insert: some of) you? Link to post Share on other sites
BareGoddess Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I could list so many attractive traits about my snowman, of which none include money or looks. One primary trait is that he's rock solid and dependable. You immediately know you can lean on this man in your time of need, not that it's necessary. If that makes me a weak female, so be it. Weak I am and loving the feeling! Good for you, TBF! And I hear you. I mean to me my man is very handsome but I don't know that by universal standards of "beauty" he'd be considered so. He's not wealthy either. I know what you mean by the rock solid and dependable qualities. That's priceless..truly. If he's like my H then he's also no whiner...he's a take charge confident man who makes his own way and doesn't play the victim even when things don't go his way. Is that your guy too? And very importantly, to me anyway, he doesn't take himself too seriously. Now, those are the kinds of guys, with or without money and drop dead looks that women flock to. Link to post Share on other sites
movingonandon Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I don't expect him to be making oodles of money. What I do expect is that he is true to himself and realizes his potential. That's what's important to me.. I agree with that, but if so, why put the income into this at all - the whole discussion got out of hand because of particular "income requirements" that were mentioned occasionally. What if your guy's passion was coaching children to play soccer or build wooden toys? He would *never* make any enviable amount of money, even if this is the type of job that makes him happy. Or maybe what really makes him happy is being an artist, which is a highly unreliable income source, even if he's an ok artist, you get the idea. Somebody with my training could make twice as much as I do (literally - a fellow graduate makes exacly double what I make), but I like my job for other reasons, and that's why I chose it. Sure, the income is not nearly as bad as in the "soccer coach" scenario (60+), but if this drop in income excludes some women from my dating pool, you know what? I'll be actually relieved for dodging a bullet! Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Another one.. "I just want my man to reach his potential" lol Look, I was not born yesterday. I realize money is very important to women. All men realize that. That is how I word it, and that is the most honest and direct way. Why is it so difficult for you women to just say "Money is very important to me". Money. Money. Money. I know you LOOVE money. I know all of you are entitled to it because of your plumbing. Do you feel it sounds ugly and shallow when actually stated directly? is that why you use all of these other words and phrases to mask the fact that a man's paycheck is of the utmost importance to you? You jaded little man. Of course money is important. Who the hell said it wasn't? But it's not the be all and end all...that's what I was saying. I love my SO, despite whatever issues we have. I don't care that he's not filthy rich. We're young and have time to do what we want with our lives. Do I hope that we will be financially comfortable (dare I say, rich), OF COURSE! I want to be able to take care of those we love (our families). I want to be in a position that allows us to give back more to those who are in need. The bottom line is, I love him regardless of his wealth or lack of it. I hope that his prospects and potential materialize into something fruitful. I want to be able to provide for our children. But my love for him is independent of his bank account. And I love how you ignore all the comments we've made here. I guess your bitterness filters a lot of the meaningful stuff out, huh? Must be nice, living in your world of oblivion. Link to post Share on other sites
boxing123 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Tomcast, I do not find most career women interesting, or of much use. Why would I? As an example, you argue every day about how you won't even pay for your half of a meal on a date, lol. So why should a guy care about your money, or if you make none, or if you make lots. I would rather date a woman whom has more time to make me feel good. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I could list so many attractive traits about my snowman, of which none include money or looks. One primary trait is that he's rock solid and dependable. You immediately know you can lean on this man in your time of need, not that it's necessary. If that makes me a weak female, so be it. Weak I am and loving the feeling! Your snowman and my skiman have so many things in common. I've had a hellish week at work (and it's only Monday! well, I worked over the weekend, but anyway) and he's been so supportive and understanding, unlike any other man I've ever been with. He's...a rock. (Not that I need him to be, but it feels good!) It's freakin' awesome. P.S. DAMN! How are you ladies always able to sniff out the SS dudes so quickly? vonerik? LOL! Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I agree with that, but if so, why put the income into this at all - the whole discussion got out of hand because of particular "income requirements" that were mentioned occasionally. What if your guy's passion was coaching children to play soccer or build wooden toys? He would *never* make any enviable amount of money, even if this is the type of job that makes him happy. Or maybe what really makes him happy is being an artist, which is a highly unreliable income source, even if he's an ok artist, you get the idea. Somebody with my training could make twice as much as I do (literally - a fellow graduate makes exacly double what I make), but I like my job for other reasons, and that's why I chose it. Sure, the income is not nearly as bad as in the "soccer coach" scenario (60+), but if this drop in income excludes some women from my dating pool, you know what? I'll be actually relieved for dodging a bullet! I will be honest. Money is nice (duh). BUT, if a man is sincerely, truly passionate about what he's doing, I think that in itself is a form of wealth. It's sexy when a man pursues his true passion with heart and integrity. Don't get me wrong...I'd be very upset if I had a husband who was out living out his childish dreams while we struggled to make ends meet (with children to feed)...so it's all about circumstances. Whatever his income is, he better not have a damn chip on his shoulder. This is the most ugliest thing EVER. I recently met a guy who was all over me, telling me how much money he made (funnily enough, kept talking about his "income potential"). I found him quite unappealing when he kept going on about his money. His friend was much more attractive in that he was laid back and very masculine in a quiet way (and he's a roofer, go figure!). Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Good for you, TBF! And I hear you. I mean to me my man is very handsome but I don't know that by universal standards of "beauty" he'd be considered so. He's not wealthy either. I know what you mean by the rock solid and dependable qualities. That's priceless..truly. If he's like my H then he's also no whiner...he's a take charge confident man who makes his own way and doesn't play the victim even when things don't go his way. Is that your guy too? And very importantly, to me anyway, he doesn't take himself too seriously. Now, those are the kinds of guys, with or without money and drop dead looks that women flock to. Totally! No messing around. He just does it. We had this incident with the valet bringing the wrong car. He just took charge and with no fuss, no spoiled tantrum or anger, had the guy bring the right car in record time. The valet refused to accept payment or his tip, saying it was his mistake. My snowman made him take the tip. It was a pretty cool exchange. He makes these subtle little digs at himself without resorting to self-deprecation. I can't explain how he does it but it's pricelessly funny. Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat33 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 DAMN! How are you ladies always able to sniff out the SS dudes so quickly? vonerik? LOL! Because it's the same old broken record playing over and over and over under different names but the tune is always "You picked a fine tiiiime to leave me Luciiiiile" Contry music is so depressing. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Your snowman and my skiman have so many things in common. I've had a hellish week at work (and it's only Monday! well, I worked over the weekend, but anyway) and he's been so supportive and understanding, unlike any other man I've ever been with. He's...a rock. (Not that I need him to be, but it feels good!) It's freakin' awesome. P.S. DAMN! How are you ladies always able to sniff out the SS dudes so quickly? vonerik? LOL! Awww...love to hear that! Haha...vonerik has a distinctive hatred for women! He has to put them down to self-leverage. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean-Blue Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Totally! No messing around. He just does it. We had this incident with the valet bringing the wrong car. He just took charge and with no fuss, no spoiled tantrum or anger, had the guy bring the right car in record time. The valet refused to accept payment or his tip, saying it was his mistake. My snowman made him take the tip. It was a pretty cool exchange. He makes these subtle little digs at himself without resorting to self-deprecation. I can't explain how he does it but it's pricelessly funny. That is classy and very sexy, TBF. This is what I mean about NOT having a chip on his shoulder. Guys like this are lovely to be with. Link to post Share on other sites
BareGoddess Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Because it's the same old broken record playing over and over and over under different names but the tune is always "You picked a fine tiiiime to leave me Luciiiiile" Contry music is so depressing. :lmao: You're too funny, TC. Damn. I almost woke H up from laughing! TBF, he sounds like a class act. Goodnight, ladies and girly men! Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 That is classy and very sexy, TBF. This is what I mean about NOT having a chip on his shoulder. Guys like this are lovely to be with. It really is lovely. At the risk of making people nauseous, he makes me melt. I loved the way he handled it, giving and getting respect. Thanks BG. Goodnight! Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 It really is lovely. At the risk of making people nauseous, he makes me melt. No nausea here. :love: Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I loved the way he handled it, Playful is good, but let's hope he doesn't turn out to be a wanker. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 No nausea here. :love: That's 'cause you're in the same place. Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat33 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Totally! No messing around. He just does it. We had this incident with the valet bringing the wrong car. He just took charge and with no fuss, no spoiled tantrum or anger, had the guy bring the right car in record time. The valet refused to accept payment or his tip, saying it was his mistake. My snowman made him take the tip. It was a pretty cool exchange. He makes these subtle little digs at himself without resorting to self-deprecation. I can't explain how he does it but it's pricelessly funny. Take some pointers Vonerik, and actually learn what makes a woman melt rather than arguing what "real women are like" listen to an actual real woman for a change an learn something maybe you will actually get a date and a life so you won't have to spend all your time fabricating what a real life should be like. He sounds like a keeper TBF. Nite Nite BG! Link to post Share on other sites
boxing123 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 AHHH.. See ladies. A man is "childish" if he has a passion not related to money. Women do not understand this. Men have hobbies they love, NOT related to money, and NOT related to marriage, and not related to serial dating to find a high income earning woman. . So ladies, I understand seemingly all of you have disqualifed 80% of single men based on income alone. What makes you gems better than 80% of the women?(The avg male salary in America is 40k. I am guessing most of you are hoping for 60, 80, 100 250 500k?) And of course he must be tall, handsome, kind, funny, monogamous, caring, strong, trustworthy,single, sane, straight, which would further lower this %. Are you younger? hotter? Know how to treat a man better? Why should one of the top 1-2 % keep you? Just what do you offer better than the other 98% of females? Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 He sounds like a keeper TBF. Most definitely! Link to post Share on other sites
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