christians waiting for my eternal torture

[chris250]

I know many of the christians here are praying and hoping for my eternal torture in hell because I plan to go through this life avoiding as much suffering as possible.

 

I plan to take the easy way out of ALL my problems. I've been taking short cuts all my life and I will do so until I die at age 100. Because of this most of the christians here are just sitting on the edge of their seats in anticipation of my eternal torture in hell.

 

They don't want to see me in heaven because I don't act like them, dress like them, sing like them, etc. How stupid? they might as well come out and say that I'm going to hell for liking chocolate ice cream just because they hate chocolate ice cream.

 

Thank God He's the ultimate judge as to who goes where. Whatever He decides christians have to suck it up and accept it if there is even a slight possibility that God will let me into heaven.

 

Of course I believe God has already judged the human race as righteous and heavenbound saints. Like it or not the human race is one big happy family. We might as well learn to get along now because we're all going to spend eternity in the same place.

 

But for some reason many christians want to hang on to their precious doctrine of eternal torture in hell.

 

They want to see people like me punished for the flaws that I have especially if I seem to be getting away with my behavior in this life. I admit I have gotten away with some things.

 

They seem to think that burning alive forever in a fire is the only solution to the mistakes I've made.

 

Does it really make you feel better to believe that people who didn't work hard at living a moral life will burn in hell for eternity? Does it really make you feel better to believe that the people who spent 80 years killing people will suffer eternity in hell?

 

I say if it makes you feel better then hang on to your beliefs and knock yourself out. Enjoy yourself. I believe you're still going to heaven no matter how sadistic you are in your thinking.

 

While you are at it why not spank your kids forever when they disobey you? Why not ground them for the rest of their lives when they didn't mow the lawn like you asked them to? That's what your god would do right? So why wouldn't you ground your kids forever if this life as we know it is eternal?

 

If it doesn't make you feel better then I encourage you to drop these ridiculous doctrines because it just proves that your heart is kinder than your doctrine.

 

So for all the christians who have sent me messages saying that I'm going to burn in hell I say continue sending me your hate letters if it really makes you feel better. I want you to be happy even if that happiness comes from the belief that I will be one of the ones going to hell.

[sb129]

You know, if people send you hate letters, you can report them to the mods.

 

The mods have all the power on this site- why wait till you meet these people in the afterlife?

[boldjack]

Too many Emos, not enough rocks

[chris250]

I'm not worried about it. If any christian extremist is driven to kill me then I know I'll go to heaven. Even the christian extremists are going to heaven. Everybody is going to heaven sometime or another.

[boldjack]

Seriously, you really, really, really, need to lighten up.

[JamesM]

With all due respect, there are not that many Christians who post on this sight, and I am guessing even less of them would take the time to send a nasty email.

 

As sb129 said, if it was I, then I would be forwarding all such PMs to the mods for further censor.

 

If such emails are really being sent and the writers are members here, then those members need to be told that such emails do nothing and violate LS rules.

 

As for the rest of it, I am with boldjack....lighten up. If you truly believe that everyone is going to heaven, then what does it matter what is said or written?

[quankanne]

here, here, BNB – a "real" Christian focuses on getting his/her act cleaned up and while doing so, models faith.

 

(s)he doesn't waste time taunting others for their beliefs, because it's understood those relationships are between them and God, period.

 

I think you must be having an extremely hard time coming to terms with your faith – you want that bit of reward, but you're going to do it on your terms, not anyone else's, so you pen these posts trying to agitate people into arguing with you so that you can offer these arguments as "proof" of your alleged wrong-doing.

 

a suggestion? DUDE, FOCUS ON YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD – IF THIS IS WHAT YOU TRULY WANT – AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS. Because it really does just boil down to you and him.

[amaysngrace]

Too many Emos, not enough rocks

 

My thoughts exactly.

[Enema]

I think you're full of it... another weak attempt to attract attention.

 

Even I probably post more incendiary things than you and the only hate mail I get is from Tony.

[quankanne]

*snicker* I'm sure he pens them with love, E ...

[Citizen Erased]

Too many Emos, not enough rocks

 

:lmao:

 

I think I love you.

[chris250]

I'm not full of it. I believe that you can curse God and still go to heaven. I've done it many times before. I've told God "f you!" and He still loves me. Nothing happened. The creator of the universe is too loving to hold anything against anyone.

[D-Lish]

If there was such a thing as a god.... I am sure he/she would only look upon you as a pest.

[D-Lish]

I think you've just been lucky so far. At some point there will be a lull... No play-off's, no wars, no presidential elections...

 

You'll just be walking to work one sunny day and BOOM- a bolt of lightning will strike you down.

 

Can't say I didn't warn you.

[boldjack]

D-lish , God will of course do it in a very loving way

[D-Lish]

D-lish , God will of course do it in a very loving way

 

Maybe. Apparantly god is only loving on a whim?

[boldjack]

Jeez, if G can't find the time, I would be perfectly happy to scorch the little whiner.

[Eve]

I wouldnt mind hearing why chris hates Christians so much.. personally methinks his rants are an avoidance tactic...

 

Its just that we can all rationalise that the core ideals are the same in the majority of beliefs about Christianity, hence maybe the need to distance oneself and stay within a particular philosophical stand point of the religion could actually be more about whats going on for the person rather than the religion. For example, gay Christians stick with gay Churches. Those who believe sex before marraige is wrong go to another branch of Christianity (cant think of which particular Church set up) Those who believe in hell are scattered throughout all denominations though but mostly faith is a private affair. With Chris I dont believe he actually belongs to any Church.. it seems to be more about trying to reconcile something within himself than Christianity.

 

.. Or maybe I am thinking too deeply as usual.

 

Its just that I hear the sound of a wounded animal in amongst the whining. Personally I think Chris is avoiding some sort of therapy.

 

But what do I know?

 

Only advice I can give is to view the Christians who annoy you as flawed people and stop irritating them by telling them how much you hate them. Maybe you will get a glimmer of their humanity in some instances.. maybe not because some people are actually crazy and any rigid thought association just feeds their behaviour. You do not have to go to Church to find such people..

 

I dont know.. I dont hate Chris, but .. really. He is doing what he says he hates and I dont have any respect for such a stance. It is a bit boring after a while (not that I am anymore interesting with my musings) I want to hear what is REALLY going on for Chris... that would be goooood reading methinks.

 

Right from the start.

 

Regards,

Eve xx

[donnamaybe]

Jeez, if G can't find the time, I would be perfectly happy to scorch the little whiner.

 

 

No kidding, eh?! There's definitely SOMETHING wrong.

[Geishawhelk]

I'm not full of it. I believe that you can curse God and still go to heaven. I've done it many times before. I've told God "f you!" and He still loves me. Nothing happened. The creator of the universe is too loving to hold anything against anyone.

 

Well you know what they say...

Revenge is a dish best served cold"....

Your god is just biding his time, and waiting for the best moment to teach you one helluva lesson you'll never forget.

I can see him now, standing with his arms crossed, tapping his foot, that kinda stern "yu-huh, just keep going you jerk!" kinda look on his face.....

 

You know the Chicxulub crater in mexico?

Theory is, it's the crater that was hit by the meteorite that wiped dinosaurs off the face of the planet.

 

I ask myself - what did they do to p1ss him off....?!

[chris250]

All branches of christianity have different beliefs granted. They all have different rules, regulations, doctrines, rituals, etc. I could say that about all religion.

 

But there is one thing that all religions and all denominations of christianity have in common. They all draw a line as to how much freedom you can have as a human being. Most of them claim that the truth sets us free and that Christ set us free.

 

But then each denomination will draw a line to different extents as to how much freedom you really do have. I personally believe the sky is the limit. There is unlimited freedom. God has not drawn a line.

 

Universalism is the only belief system that gives unlimited freedom. What do I mean by that? I mean the freedom to live however you want to without feeling guilty in the face of God. Universalism is the only belief that is absent of self righteousness.

 

I don't feel guilty in the face of God about anything that I'm doing or not doing. If I tell a lie or steal or don't use my talents to better this world I feel no guilt whatsoever before God. Why? because He has created us to live in freedom. If I'm free to do something productive with my life then I should be just as free to do nothing with my life.

 

That's the only way freedom can be consistent. Religion has to draw a line in the sand as to how much freedom one can have because they know their existence depends on how much control they can have over your spiritual life. It's how they make their living.

 

So yes one should feel free to curse God and say "f you!" when they are angry. In fact that can even be good therapy to curse at your Lord. He can handle it. One should be able to do that without feeling guilty or condemned afterwards.

[Posco_Proudfoot]

All branches of christianity have different beliefs granted. They all have different rules, regulations, doctrines, rituals, etc. I could say that about all religion.

 

But there is one thing that all religions and all denominations of christianity have in common. They all draw a line as to how much freedom you can have as a human being. Most of them claim that the truth sets us free and that Christ set us free.

 

But then each denomination will draw a line to different extents as to how much freedom you really do have. I personally believe the sky is the limit. There is unlimited freedom. God has not drawn a line.

 

Universalism is the only belief system that gives unlimited freedom. What do I mean by that? I mean the freedom to live however you want to without feeling guilty in the face of God. Universalism is the only belief that is absent of self righteousness.

 

I don't feel guilty in the face of God about anything that I'm doing or not doing. If I tell a lie or steal or don't use my talents to better this world I feel no guilt whatsoever before God. Why? because He has created us to live in freedom. If I'm free to do something productive with my life then I should be just as free to do nothing with my life.

 

That's the only way freedom can be consistent. Religion has to draw a line in the sand as to how much freedom one can have because they know their existence depends on how much control they can have over your spiritual life. It's how they make their living.

 

So yes one should feel free to curse God and say "f you!" when they are angry. In fact that can even be good therapy to curse at your Lord. He can handle it. One should be able to do that without feeling guilty or condemned afterwards.

I've been reading your posts and they're very confusing. You seem to be upset because of Christianity, and then decided to take it out on God rather than live with your own happiness of individualism. No one can force you to be a Christian, and the only guilt you have for anything you're doing is within yourself.

[JamesM]

So, Chris, based on your "logic" a murderer has the freedom to kill and he or she will still get in Heaven.

 

Just a couple of days ago, a man shot his wife and children. He then killed himself.

 

So now he is in Heaven?

[Enema]

Why don't you name names Chris?

 

There's no LS rule against posting the names of ppl who are sending you PM's.

 

Put up or shut up.

[chris250]

So, Chris, based on your "logic" a murderer has the freedom to kill and he or she will still get in Heaven.

 

Just a couple of days ago, a man shot his wife and children. He then killed himself.

 

So now he is in Heaven?

 

 

Yes. Why is that such a shock to you? I have no problem with the idea of serial killers going to heaven. I've said it before that Hitler and Mother Teressa are in the same heaven laughing together.

 

If the blood of Christ was not sufficient to take away their sins then how can we be sure that the blood of Christ was sufficient to take away our sins? In the eyes of God all sins are the same. Telling a white lie is just as bad as murder.

 

Eating too much ice cream is just as much as sin as murder. There is no such thing as a Jesus who died for "acceptable sins" only.

 

Christians seem to have this idea that sins of gluttony are more acceptable than sins of homosexuality, divorce or murder. They are very selective about which sins will cause you to miss heaven and which ones won't. They speak lies in hypocricsy.

 

If you don't believe me then just turn on your tv to the channel where they have the overweight tv evangelists condemning homosexuals and divorces and abortions in this country.

 

Somebody needs to preach a sermon to them about how it's a sin for them to commit gluttony, which is probably why they are overweight. About 70% of pastors in America have an obesity problem and they stand up in the pulpit every Sunday condemning everyone else's sins.

 

So it's a nice way for them to excuse themselves while condemning everyone else. I have more respect for the legalists who actually try to live by all 613 laws of the old testament than the legalists who mix law & grace.

 

The christians who try to mix grace with a little bit of law are doing more damage than the christians who literally cut their eyes out whenever they have a lustful thought.

 

The christians who believe that it's ALL grace and no law at all do not try to excuse themselves. I do not try to excuse myself while condemning someone else to hell. I proclaim that everyone is justified by the grace of God because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law.

 

So I believe that all the murderers we read about in newspapers are in heaven. I would be a hypocrite to believe otherwise because I'm no better than they are. By the deeds of the law my righteousness is NOT any better than theirs.

 

Just something for you to think about. If God was going to send even one soul to hell then what right do I have to believe that I have any reason to be exempt from such a place? The only reason would be self righteousness on my part.