Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Not sure this is available in the UK system, Star. That might be part of the disconnect here. I understand. Well, I'm not compatible with someone who lives in the UK anyway! California is much too far away! It's far too easy to obtain a college education in the US, even if only at a community college. That's where I started, afterall, and transferred into a much better school. So AFAIC, there's never an excuse... Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I never said education was more important than intelligence. For the third time, I find them equally important. While I will only date educated men, I certainly won't date an unintelligent man simply because he has a diploma. . But would you date an intelligent man who has not got a diploma? No, I would not. That is NOT AT ALL what I said. I said I would not date someone who IS educated but NOT intelligent. I also said I wouldn't date someone who's not college educated, but intelligent. I also very clearly said they must be BOTH educated and intelligent. I value them equally. . Seems there are a few contradictions here. You don't seem to be able to separate educatiion from intelligence. Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 It's far too easy to obtain a college education in the US, even if only at a community college. That's where I started, afterall, and transferred into a much better school. So AFAIC, there's never an excuse... So therefore I am talking from the perspective of college education being far more demanding and selective to obtain hence not always open to everybody regardless of intellect. In the UK, just because you can pay, does not mean you get. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I'm uncertain why anyone has to defend their preferences. IF someone wants to solely date a nuclear physicist or a pearl diver, this is okay. Myself personally, I'd rather someone discount me upfront, for whatever their reasons v. getting involved and realizing that it won't work. It just reduces the wasted time, emotion and work load for everyone involved. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Seems there are a few contradictions here. You don't seem to be able to separate educatiion from intelligence. I believe you can't read. There are no contradictions here whatsoever. Let's revisit your quotes. I never said education was more important than intelligence. For the third time, I find them equally important. While I will only date educated men, I certainly won't date an unintelligent man simply because he has a diploma. Right, in other words, I will only date a man who is BOTH educated AND intelligent. But would you date an intelligent man who has not got a diploma? No, I would not. Right, so again, for those who cannot understand, I will only date a man who is BOTH intelligent AND educated. That is NOT AT ALL what I said. I said I would not date someone who IS educated but NOT intelligent. I also said I wouldn't date someone who's not college educated, but intelligent. I also very clearly said they must be BOTH educated and intelligent. I value them equally. Precisely. Must have both. No contradictions here. Try again. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I'm uncertain why anyone has to defend their preferences. I fail to understand this as well. Going back to my faith example, no one would be arguing with me if I were a devour Christian who only wanted to date without my faith. But discuss education, and those who are insecure about their lack thereof will come out of the woodwork in an attempt to make you feel like a BIGOT. Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 In England we also learn manners. No need for the patronsing response. Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 But discuss education, and those who are insecure about their lack thereof will come out of the woodwork in an attempt to make you feel like a BIGOT. Ridiculous. Funnily enough, I have not felt the need to specify my educational history here, unlike you. Please do not make assumptions before you know the facts. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 In England we also learn manners. No need for the patronsing response. Oh please. Would you rather be the pot, or the kettle? Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Funnily enough, I have not felt the need to specify my educational history here, unlike you. Again, pot or kettle, condescension1707, I mean, anne1707? You pick. I only specified my background after being specifically ASKED. Again, perhaps you should read my responses before making rude assumptions. Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I believe you can't read. Enough said. I am now going to bed with a very intelligent but not formally educated man. Goodnight. Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Again, pot or kettle, condescension1707, I mean, anne1707? You pick. I only specified my background after being specifically ASKED. Again, perhaps you should read my responses before making rude assumptions. How rude. I have not made assumptions. I have not specified. That has all been you. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 How rude. I have not made assumptions. I have not specified. That has all been you. You've made plenty of assumptions about my character simply because of what I VALUE and what I have worked very hard to achieve. That's all on you. Again, I only specified what I've accomplished because I was asked. Link to post Share on other sites
Tony T Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Saying a person must be well educated (university degree etc) just seems stupid to me and should be a bonus to a relationship rather then a 'must have'. It seems stupid to you because that's not one of your requirements. For me, I like someone who can stimulate my brain for the many hours they aren't stimulating my dick. Most well educated people have some class (not that some less educated people don't) and know how to conduct themselves in many situations and can go to a social event and get right into almost any conversation. Most well educated people are confident and don't have to get into hard core arguments because they feel confident about themselves without the necessity of getting defensive. Most well educated people continue a lifelong learning process so the relationship never gets stale. If a highly educated person gets into a long term relationship with someone who has much less education there's going to be serious compatibility and boredom problems down the line in most cases. Of course there are exceptions. Wanting someone who is well educated is no different than wanting someone who is attractive, wealthy, or a sex maniac. Link to post Share on other sites
Hi.P.O'Crit Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Education is often more about discipline. Discipline to go thru alot of information to fully understand what is being said. That's not to say that uneducated people are undisciplined. But if someone wants another that has had to share the same challenges that is there preference. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 It seems stupid to you because that's not one of your requirements. For me, I like someone who can stimulate my brain for the many hours they aren't stimulating my dick. Woo. Now that's an image I didn't expect to conjure on this subject! If a highly educated person gets into a long term relationship with someone who has much less education there's going to be serious compatibility and boredom problems down the line in most cases. Of course there are exceptions. I strongly agree with this. As someone else pointed out (TBF?), valuing education is also important when it comes to raising children. Wanting someone who is educated is no different than wanting someone who is attractive, wealthy, or a sex maniac. Or of a certain faith, or geographically desireable, or who enjoys the same recreational activities, etc. Why anyone needs to explain this is really beyond me. (And yes, I understood your little "dig" at me [which I didn't quote), Tony. Very clever. ) Link to post Share on other sites
Touche Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Why anyone needs to explain this is really beyond me. (And yes, I understood your little "dig" at me [which I didn't quote), Tony. Very clever. ) You mean this one? Most well educated people are confident and don't have to get into hard core arguments because they feel confident about themselves without the necessity of getting defensive. :laugh:Guess that doesn't apply to all well-educated people (yeah, yeah, I'm including myself in that.) Ok, on topic...I too had the "well-educated" requirement. I dated guys who weren't and it just didn't work for me. I got bored pretty quickly. I hated referencing or alluding to something and being met with a blank stare. Not my thing. There are people who are cultured and well-educated and intelligent without the degree. But they're a rarity in my personal experience. Had I met someone like that who didn't have a degree, I wouldn't have ruled someone like that out (had we also been compatible in other ways of course.) Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 The trouble is that education is a meaningless status symbol. If you "value" education, then you're entirely missing the point. I find that so sad. A classical education is designed to inspire creativity and original thought. These are the qualities that deserve a value. Sometimes education "works," but more often than not it breeds bumbling, egotistical, self-important fools. Harvard is the world's greatest institution - an enormous jewel in the dilapidated crown that is the American education system. Don't get me wrong - I love Harvard. But they don't have a mortgage on original ideas. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 You mean this one? Yes!!! I was getting a lil' defensive, I can admit that. There are people who are cultured and well-educated and intelligent without the degree. But they're a rarity in my personal experience. Had I met someone like that who didn't have a degree, I wouldn't have ruled someone like that out (had we also been compatible in other ways of course.) They are rare. In all honesty, I've never met one. *shrug* Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 A classical education is designed to inspire creativity and original thought. That's what I've been referring to: education as a means/method/process to achieving those things. If one doesn't aspire to have a creative, open mind, and come up with their own, unique thoughts within a collective, sharing environment with others who come from differing views and perspectives ... then we don't have the same values. I value someone with an intellectual curiosity. Very rarely will you find an intellectually curious person who hasn't sought a college education. Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 As was pointed out in the movies A Beautiful Mind, and Good Will Hunting, education and creativity are often negatively correlated. These days, education is almost exclusively about thinking inside the box. Link to post Share on other sites
Touche Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Well it's good you can admit that, SG. I get defensive too. As for people who are educated with no degree, I have met people like that. Actually my own mother is one. You can talk to her about anything and everything. She's very well-read and educated (self-educated) on so many topics...everything from art to literature to cuisine to politics, etc. I admire her for that. My grandfather had a sixth grade education only and was quite educated (though I wouldn't call him "cultured" exactly.) But yeah, it's rare to find and educated person who doesn't have a college degree. Intelligent people who aren't educated are more common. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 As was pointed out in the movies A Beautiful Mind, and Good Will Hunting, education and creativity are often negatively correlated. These days, education is almost exclusively about thinking inside the box. Even Will Hunting wanted desperately to get inside that calculus classroom. I respect that. Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 A college education is a cheap commodity these days. It's increasingly for people that like being spoon-fed simple, mindless minutiae. Perfect for today's workforce of zombie-like drones. Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Even Will Hunting wanted desperately to get inside that calculus classroom. I respect that. I think that is more determination. Will Hunting had natural ability to absorb and digest data to make it information. Like another poster mentioned, education sometimes is just regurgitation without thought. Link to post Share on other sites
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