eclipseIDE Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Even though you hold a degree the fact you hold it really means nothing about intelligence. I know people with masters that are just as dumb as a box of hammers, but they hold a great degree. Have you never dated a man that wasn't college educated? Im in the computer field and if I could tell you how many times I had to help the people with bachelors and masters degrees. Ive worked since I was 14 years old. My ex was an attorney who was ready to quit working after 1 year because it was too hard for her. Some people learn by doing. People like Star Gazer are actually some of the most close minded peple out there who have no original thoughts of their own. I read about nitric oxide synthases for fun because I enjoy science but according to her Im not worthy of her presence because I never went to college Link to post Share on other sites
zenith Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Actually a lot of doctors have a real problem thinking outside the box or they dont really care about whats best for their patients. Example, I discovered that watermelon is a natural form of a male enhancer. I see more people are posting about it online now. Well a so called ED specialist is discounting this without even researching it. Why because he supports medical companies who sell ED drugs off course That is why here in OZ/NZ, we have an aptitude test known as UMAT... Again, everyone is different; some have more empathy toward their patients, some don't. Mind you, I'm still a trainee, but medical professionals have to read countless medical journals everynight to keep up with new/up-coming techniques, procedures and knowledge. Male enhancer? if you are talking about some kind of whack articles from the net (internet is full of infos; including BS), NO, we are not required to read random online articles. Unless your field is alternative medicine like homeopathy. You can't jump to the conclusion and start recommending patients something that is not clinically proven; it takes years, decades to prove your clinical hypotheses and gain recognition. By the way, it's of course, not off course Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Mind you, I'm still a trainee, but medical professionals have to read countless medical journals everynight to keep up with new/up-coming techniques, procedures and knowledge. Sadly, nothing could be further than the truth. The whole industry is rife with corruption. Private pharmaceutical companies are a necessary evil, but they don't come without a serious price. Link to post Share on other sites
zenith Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Sadly, nothing could be further than the truth. The whole industry is rife with corruption. Private pharmaceutical companies are a necessary evil, but they don't come without a serious price. I just hope those corruption/evil companies only exist in the US Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I don't know how it works in OZ, but in NZ, medical council keeps track of your ongoing education (reading journals, attending seminars etc) Like you say, education is a lifelong process. It doesn't begin with a degree, nor does it end with one. People with degrees often find it impossible to escape from the restrictive thought processes that are a hallmark of the modern education system. I just hope those corruption/evil companies only exist in the US They do, but it's not what you think. You need to understand that the US drug discovery machine is responsible for almost all innovation on the planet. Without America, the world's medical care would be cast back to the Dark Age. Link to post Share on other sites
zenith Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Like you say, education is a lifelong process. It doesn't begin with a degree, nor does it end with one. People with degrees often find it impossible to escape from the restrictive thought processes that are a hallmark of the modern education system. They do, but it's not what you think. You need to understand that the US drug discovery machine is responsible for almost all innovation on the planet. Without America, the world's medical care would be cast back to the Dark Age. Of course! you never cease to learn. Not everythings from America! Actually a lot of medical discoveries/researches were made in Europe/East Asia, and also Australia! Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Of course! you never cease to learn. People with degrees often consider their education "complete." It's a sad, but indisputable, fact. Not everythings from America! Actually a lot of medical discoveries/researches were made in Europe/East Asia, and also Australia! Interesting thought, but you've been watching too much TV. Naturally, not all research happens within US borders, but American funding bodies drive the worldwide research infrastructure. So, your "discovery" in Australia was made with US money. I use quotation marks because most TV discoveries are snippets from early research efforts. Turning these early results into viable therapies will inevitably require American pharmaceutical companies. Link to post Share on other sites
zenith Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 People with degrees often consider their education "complete." It's a sad, but indisputable, fact. Interesting thought, but you've been watching too much TV. Naturally, not all research happens within US borders, but American funding bodies drive the worldwide research infrastructure. So, your "discovery" in Australia was made with US money. I use quotation marks because most TV discoveries are snippets from early research efforts. Turning these early results into viable therapies will inevitably require American pharmaceutical companies. It is true, I'm thinking of pursuing post-grad to specialise; most ppl tend to get sick of learning... but again, it depends on your field; for example, if your field is business, IMO it is best to get out there and learn from dealing with ppl/businesses, rather than reading text books all day. No, I haven't seen anything on TV. I have seen actual laboratories in Europe (Germany and Scandinavia), NZ and Japan, though. These laboratories have their own private and government funding. But, if you must argue, yes, since America is the superpower right now, it is their money that make things go round. Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I have seen actual laboratories in Europe (Germany and Scandinavia), NZ and Japan, though. These laboratories have their own private and government funding. Nice! It's invaluable to see how different countries organise their research efforts. That's some awesome travel you've enjoyed! Anyway, one day you need to come to the US, and see how things are at the bleeding edge. Link to post Share on other sites
zenith Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Anyway, one day you need to come to the US, and see how things are at the bleeding edge. I thought you're an aussie??? Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbledore Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I thought you're an aussie??? I hope not. Things are all upside-down and back-to-front down there, and I'm not sure I could cope. Are you a Kiwi? You're lucky - if I was an Aussie, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. Americans have nothing against Kiwis, but we're not too sure where they are on a map. And, quite frankly, it's not that important. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I read about nitric oxide synthases for fun A university education would teach you how to share this kind of information with people in a less geeky sounding way. Link to post Share on other sites
eclipseIDE Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 That is why here in OZ/NZ, we have an aptitude test known as UMAT... Again, everyone is different; some have more empathy toward their patients, some don't. Mind you, I'm still a trainee, but medical professionals have to read countless medical journals everynight to keep up with new/up-coming techniques, procedures and knowledge. Male enhancer? if you are talking about some kind of whack articles from the net (internet is full of infos; including BS), NO, we are not required to read random online articles. Unless your field is alternative medicine like homeopathy. You can't jump to the conclusion and start recommending patients something that is not clinically proven; it takes years, decades to prove your clinical hypotheses and gain recognition. By the way, it's of course, not off course I apologize for the spelling error, I often think faster than I type. Heres an article from WebMD pro/con "We have known that watermelon has citrulline," says Bhimu Patil, PHD, director of the Fruit and Vegetable Improvement Center at Texas A&M University, College Station. Until recently, he tells WebMD, scientists thought most of the citrulline was in the watermelon rind. "Watermelon has more citrulline in the edible part than previously believed," he says. How could watermelon be a natural Viagra? The amino acid citrulline is converted into the amino acid arginine, Patil says. "This is a precursor for nitric oxide, and the nitric oxide will help in blood vessel dilation." "Irwin Goldstein, MD, editor-in-chief of The Journal of Sexual Medicine, was underwhelmed. Suggesting a man feast on watermelon to boost performance, he says, "would be the equivalent of someone dropping a beer bottle in Minneapolis, where the Mississippi River starts, and hoping to see it make an impact on someone in New Orleans." "The vast majority of Americans produce enough arginine," adds Goldstein, medical director of Alvarado Hospital Medical Center, San Diego, and clinical professor of surgery, University of California San Diego School of Medicine. "Men with ED are not deficient in arginine." "Goldstein has served as a consultant for many companies that make ED drugs." So according to Dr. Goldstein men who have ED are not arginine deficient. So why do men who smoke experience ED then? I hope the doctor knows that smoking inhibits nitric oxide synthesis. NO is needed to produce erections. Link to post Share on other sites
eclipseIDE Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 A university education would teach you how to share this kind of information with people in a less geeky sounding way. Explain how an university education would help with that. I am researching this because Im interested how Nitric Oxide has an effect on mens health and for a potential cure/avoidance to androgenetic alopecia (other wise known as male pattern baldness). I had a theory that if you quit smoking you could reverse the effects of alopecia which many doctors are now addressing. In other words Nitric Oxide opens your blood vessels. Smoking closes your blood vessels. There are other factors to MPB such DHT etc... but looking at ways to prevent MPB Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Explain how an university education would help with that. I can't really, because I'm just teasing you. I am researching this because Im interested how Nitric Oxide has an effect on mens health and for a potential cure/avoidance to androgenetic alopecia (other wise known as male pattern baldness). I had a theory that if you quit smoking you could reverse the effects of alopecia which many doctors are now addressing. In other words Nitric Oxide opens your blood vessels. Smoking closes your blood vessels. There are other factors to MPB such DHT etc... but looking at ways to prevent MPB There's a theory that standing on one's head increases hair growth. Here's an piece that mentions it: http://www.stophairlossnow.com/OtherTreatments.htm Link to post Share on other sites
eclipseIDE Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I can't really, because I'm just teasing you. There's a theory that standing on one's head increases hair growth. Here's an piece that mentions it: http://www.stophairlossnow.com/OtherTreatments.htm Ahhh, glad youre just teasing In my opinion you would probably have to do that for a long time? Hair grows faster in the spring and summer Im sure which is due to increased blood flow. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't know about the guys but ladies, have you ever heard two surgeons have a serious convo? It's about the hottest thing...EVER! I was just at the hospital, dropping in on Dad and walked by a couple of surgeons deep in consultation, technical terms flying back and forth. WOW! I had no idea what the hell they were talking about but unabashedly was eavesdropping and staring. They noticed and stopped talking, they smiled and I smiled back and kept on going. One of the perks of an educated man! I've heard my snowman on the phone with his partners. RAWR! Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't know about the guys but ladies, have you ever heard two surgeons have a serious convo? It's about the hottest thing...EVER! ... One of the perks of an educated man! Well I can vouch for the other side. Being around ladies who know electrophoresis, derivatives, how to derive Black-Scholes, throwing basis points, then diverge to green energy topics and genetics. :love: Some of them are PhD's and boy can some of them move! Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Well I can vouch for the other side. Being around ladies who know electrophoresis, derivatives, how to derive Black-Scholes, throwing basis points, then diverge to green energy topics and genetics. :love: Some of them are PhD's and boy can some of them move! Sounds like someone's enjoying his courses! Are you still in them or is this historical exposure? Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Sounds like someone's enjoying his courses! Are you still in them or is this historical exposure? Not historical and yes I'm always learning. These are the people I work with now. Finance and medical plus most of them are in my age group. :love: Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Not historical and yes I'm always learning. These are the people I work with now. Finance and medical plus most of them are in my age group. :love: YAHHHH, romance is in the air for jerbear!! Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 YAHHHH, romance is in the air for jerbear!! I wish! It is cold and snowing here! It is not good to date co-workers, but the views are good. I might break the "dating co-workers" rule in spring. Link to post Share on other sites
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