The Collector Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I can appreciate your viewpoint because at least you don't believe in hell. Your mind will not get messed up by believing that we go into eternal sleep. People who believe in Hell are silly. Don't worry about their stupid ideas. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Chris, are you ignoring my post because I'm daring you to think outside your box? Link to post Share on other sites
Author chris250 Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Chris, are you ignoring my post because I'm daring you to think outside your box? I'm ignoring all your posts from now on because your only agenda is to bully me and kick me when I fall down. I don't take posts seriously from people like you who resort to name calling. It's not only important what advice is given but who is actually giving the advice. I'm more inclined to listen more to some than others who give the same advice. Link to post Share on other sites
Author chris250 Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Again where is your research and studies on all those in mental institutions? What about the ones not in institutions, but on the street or the back room of some family members home? Just about everyone I've encountered in the mental institution claimed they go to church, read the bible, or have had some religious experience. I don't see atheists or agnostics in the mental institutions probably because they don't walk around feeling guilty about anything. I know my belief system works for me because I've lived a guilt free life for the last 2 years. I don't feel any guilt about anything I've done wrong. Even if I curse God I get over it quickly. I live in a realm of time and space and as a human being I would need time to get over things I've done wrong or things others have done wrong to me. God however is not stuck in time. He doesn't need time to get over anything. So if I can get over my mistakes quickly then how much faster does God get over it? Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'm ignoring all your posts from now on because your only agenda is to bully me and kick me when I fall down. I don't take posts seriously from people like you who resort to name calling. It's not only important what advice is given but who is actually giving the advice. I'm more inclined to listen more to some than others who give the same advice. I'll take that as a yes! Unfortunately, that confirms all the suspicions I had about you. I was right. Link to post Share on other sites
Author chris250 Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'll take that as a yes! Unfortunately, that confirms all the suspicions I had about you. I was right. Don't even bother posting on my threads anymore. That's just sound advice I'm giving you so that you don't waste your time. I will not bother to read your responses. You are so lucky that I even gave you this much attention. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 But Buddhism is hard work. Hard work. People think it's a cop-out, but it's quite the opposite. substitute the word "faith" for "Buddhism" and you'll find the very same truth about OP's statement because nay-sayers abound. that said, Chris, you cannot expect everyone to just drop their way of thinking and wholeheartedly embrace your message. If you believe in God, surely you must understand that he works in his own time, and in his own way within people's hearts, and while you might be willing to spread his message of love, all you – or I or any other believer – is to hope that you've sown seeds in another person's heart about God's love. arguing your case to a point where people start tuning you out isn't going to be of any help to any one, you know? Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Don't even bother posting on my threads anymore. That's just sound advice I'm giving you so that you don't waste your time. I will not bother to read your responses. You are so lucky that I even gave you this much attention. Oh yes. I feel truly blessed. Tell me you won't ignore me when we get to Heaven together.... You really have to learn to take the rough with the smooth. It's your "enemies" who turn out to be your best teachers, you know. jesus tells you that! Pay attention! substitute the word "faith" for "Buddhism" and you'll find the very same truth about OP's statement because nay-sayers abound. Nope. I disagree. having spent 40 years as a Catholic, I found that 'faith' a whole lot easier to release into than I did Buddhism. This is much harder work. In my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
knaveman Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 It seems like on LS nobody wants to hear good news. It boggles my mind. I would have thought that people would want to believe this message even if it were not true. Why would anyone get angry at good news? Why would anyone prefer the doom and gloom gospel message? I have gotten more depressed ever since I came to LS. I am spending less time here and as a result feeling a little better. This place doesn't give much hope and good news to give to anyone. It is 95% doom and gloom not only with spiritual topics but also with dating and career advice. This place feeds on a person's fears and insecurities. If you have an anxiety disorder and panic attacks then LS is the right place to spend most of your free time at if you want to fuel those panic attacks. We all go through trials and tribulations in this life regardless of our religious convictions. Nobody needs their tribulations compounded upon by being told that God is angry at them. If there is a God the good news is that an angry God does NOT exist. No matter what trials you face in this life at the end of the day you are good to go with God no matter what. Everyone should face death with a clear conscience knowing that they will experience eternal joy & peace with God in heaven. I'm sorry you find this place so depressing and terrible. I think we're a lively bunch with a lot to offer. I have read some of your threads and they don't seem to be unusually doomy or gloomy. Have you ever wondered why you only focus on the negative? Why not only focus on the friendly posts and the jokes, then we're back to being a lively bunch. That being said, don't come here, spreading your message around and expect everyone to just go "Oh, yeah. You're on to something there." Most of us have long held beliefs and "Oh, yeah" moments of our own. We do like to hear different beliefs and we do enjoy challenging them, but don't get upset if we don't jump on the wagon with you. If you came here looking for advice or support there is plenty to find, good and bad. If you came here to preach and convert you may indeed find it rather depressing from time to time. As for the panic attacks, I'm not too sure on that point although nana yaw has been know to induce turrets from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I would have thought that people would want to believe this message even if it were not true. Why would anyone get angry at good news? You waltz in here and tell everybody they're wrong, start threads under the deception that you are interested in a discussion and then use it as a platform for one-way preaching instead. Also, you're not telling anyone anything that they will see as a benefit to them: aside from believing you are wrong, they already believe they're going to heaven. What you are selling, nobody wants to buy. I am spending less time here and as a result feeling a little better. The solution seems self-evident to me. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Eve Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Again, have you interviewed everyone in every mental institution? Do you have empirical studies showing that someone else has interviewed all the people in the mental institutions. Having some religious experience doesn't mean Christian religious experience. Your experience is the exact opposite of mine. Am I an anomaly or are you? You found peace since you curse God and live guilt free. I found peace by loving God and living guilt free. There is no reason for me to live a guilty life when my sins have been cleansed by the lamb. Just a quick note. It is interesting to look at the history of how we have come to diagnose people with mental health problems. The medical professions have used some terrible methods. Between the dominance of man over man using religion as an excuse or the horrors of many medical procedures to cure mental health problems I am not sure that it is even possible to identify which has caused more human suffering! My heart really goes out to people who are mentally ill. Regards, Eve xx Link to post Share on other sites
Mahatma Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Chris, you are just being angry at people who are not even true representations of Christianity. The people who follow these types of people are idiots. Mr Joel Osteen resides very close to me here in Houston. That guy is so slimy... His wife has sold her soul as well. Edit: I did some research on Joel Osteen and in regards to what you had said about him on Larry King: "In late 2006, Osteen again appeared on Larry King Live and clarified his prior statement, saying he does in fact believe a personal relationship with Christ is the only way to Heaven" - Wikipedia I am not sure if the rest of them are like this, but do your research before talking about something that happened in 2005. Link to post Share on other sites
Author chris250 Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 I have done my research. All you are saying is that Joel actually admits that he did in fact soft pedal and beat around the bush about what he really believes. If Joel Olesteen admits to beating around the bush then that's all the proof we need,. By the way nobody needs to represent Christ. I've never claimed to represent Christ. I believe that Christ represents Himself quite well on His own without anyone's help. So nobody is under any burden to represent Christ. If anything Christ represents us. Link to post Share on other sites
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Author chris250 Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 If these people didn't claim to represent Christ then I wouldn't care what they were doing. I wouldn't care if they were involved in criminal activity. Link to post Share on other sites
Mahatma Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I am not trying to back up Joel, I am only pointing out the flaws in your argument. You are talking about something he did 4 years ago and already paid for. How many mistakes have you made when saying something? How many times have you been under the pressure of television recording? And finally.... Joel Osteen is hardly a religious leader... Link to post Share on other sites
Author chris250 Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 I am not trying to back up Joel, I am only pointing out the flaws in your argument. You are talking about something he did 4 years ago and already paid for. How many mistakes have you made when saying something? How many times have you been under the pressure of television recording? And finally.... Joel Osteen is hardly a religious leader... If Joel Osteen is not a religious leader then why does He use the name of Jesus Christ in his sermons? You are right. Joel is more of a motivational speaker than a pastor. If that's the case then he should stick to motivational speaking and leave the name of God out of his speeches. He can't serve 2 masters. If he's going to talk about business & money management then he belongs in a positive thinking seminar and not a church. If I wanted to hear positive thinking motivational stuff then I wouldn't go to church. I go to church to learn about spiritual matters. I don't want to hear about politics or anything having to do with building my own business. Sadly more churches have turned into a corporation or a political campagining organization. They are no different than the world. They have their coffee shops, political debates, sporting events, etc. I attended a baptist church a couple of years ago and the whole congregation was watching the super-bowl on their church tv on super-bowl sunday. If I wanted to watch the super-bowl I would have stayed home! There's nothing wrong with doing the above activities but please don't call it a church service. Church is not a place for entertainment. We might as well go to the lion's club if all we want is entertainment! Link to post Share on other sites
Author chris250 Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 The job of the congregation is to met all the needs of it's members. That means spiritual, financial, emotional and entertainment. There is no way a true Christian can separate what they think and do from the Holy Spirit in their heart. The spirit should guide in all that we do. Whether it is worship or fun. What's wrong with the congregation watching a game in a safe, fun and atmosphere. Fellowship with one another just doesn't mean during a service. Our church sponsors dances for it's couples, skating parties for our kids, movie nights(with dinner)for the whole family. We go to amusement parks together and we even had Super Bowl Parties. We do lock ins(slumber parties)fishing trips. We sponsor Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, outings for our senior citizens and activities for the single people in our church. I guess I don't understand what your point is. If the super bowl offended you, I hope you left. I did leave. I left as soon as the congregation stood for the pledge of allegiance to the american flag. An american flag has no business in a church building. While they all stood and recited the pledge I walked out. Don't ever invite me to your church. If I want entertainment I'll go to the movies alone. I'll go to amusement parks without a church group. I don't need a church for entertainment or financial needs. I need it for spiritual needs. The point is how is your church any different from the world? There's hundreds of organizations out there outside of church that can do a better job of meeting entertainment and financial needs of the people. I just don't think a church is an appropriate place for entertainment or political affairs. I do not agree with christian dating sites either. They charge money and some of them are more expensive than secular dating sites. God doesn't care about super-bowl sunday or about the things that we do for entertainment. He's got more important things in the universe to take care of than our political affairs, sporting events, opening our own business, etc. If I want to build my business the solution is simple. Work hard! Why would I need to consult God on these types of matters when it's just a matter of working hard if I want to be successful in my business? Link to post Share on other sites
knaveman Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 If I wanted to hear positive thinking motivational stuff then I wouldn't go to church. I thought that was the sort of thing people were supposed to go to church for. I see your point with the pledge of allegiance and the money stuff. Everything else seems like the church catering to the wants of it's congregation. A community of like-minded people doing things together doesn't negate the message. I think it's a good idea for a congregation to do activities together, it helps to strengthen the community. The religion is why everyone got together, they should be encouraged to spend time together. Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 If Joel Osteen is not a religious leader then why does He use the name of Jesus Christ in his sermons? You are right. Joel is more of a motivational speaker than a pastor. I thought you considered Joel Olsteen a fire and brimstone preacherman? I guess it comes down to what your definition of is, is. As the senior pastor of one of the largest congregations in America doesn't make you a leader what does? The head of a denomination? Carrying the title of Bishop? Or perhaps having a PHD and teaching theology? I go to church to learn about spiritual matters. I don't want to hear about politics or anything having to do with building my own business. Sadly more churches have turned into a corporation or a political campagining organization. They are no different than the world. They have their coffee shops, political debates, sporting events, etc. I attended a baptist church a couple of years ago and the whole congregation was watching the super-bowl on their church tv on super-bowl sunday. If I wanted to watch the super-bowl I would have stayed home! There's nothing wrong with doing the above activities but please don't call it a church service. Church is not a place for entertainment. We might as well go to the lion's club if all we want is entertainment! Weren't you posting that for you church consisted of two or more reading your blog and coming to believe in God, that no other type of evangelism should happen? Yes there are churches who don't do anything unless they can see an actual example in the New Testament, others take a more liberal view and feel free to do anything that is not prohibited by scripture, Old and New Testaments. Link to post Share on other sites
Author chris250 Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 withdrew post. Link to post Share on other sites
lord alfred douglas Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Return to Rome, the one true Church, and your mind will be at peace Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Return to Rome, the one true Church, and your mind will be at peace I'm curious, from a Catholic perspective. Assuming that his Universalist faith does not provide a valid baptism would the Church consider him a Christian? Link to post Share on other sites
lord alfred douglas Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I'm curious, from a Catholic perspective. Assuming that his Universalist faith does not provide a valid baptism would the Church consider him a Christian? I think so. I dont think one has to be baptized to be Christian, just as I don't think one has to be Christian to be Catholic Link to post Share on other sites
Author chris250 Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 I'm in the process of finding a universalist grace based church. Link to post Share on other sites
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