Survey says: Women like money, men like youth

[Taramere]

In the end, I see this as men having the advantages. We can make more money, and become more attractive. We make more money as we get older, so out value increases. Women can do some things, but they cannot simply become more attractive than a younger more attractive female.

 

There you go then. A useful weapon in the war of the sexes.

 

People are attracted to youth, beauty and the dream of a lavish lifestyle. No, really? I never knew that....but now that I come to think about it. Well, why else would programmes like Cribs and The Fabulous Life be so popular?

 

The assets under discussion here (youth and wealth) are undoubtedly sexually attractive to our mass of basic drives, instincts and the desire to obtain instant gratification. The problem is that the very people who are on a constant mission of self gratification can't seem to bear to see their own self-centred, exploitative mindset reflected in others.

 

A rich man who's a psychological mess is no less pitiful and no more loveable because he happens to have money. Example: Guy I was talking to the other night. His complaint could be summed up as "I just want a pretty, kind woman who'll love me. If I had someone like that, I could lose weight and be happy." What's he offering? "A comfortable lifestyle." No, but what's he offering to make someone love him, as opposed to exploiting him for their own ends? "I'd love her back."

 

That promise isn't enough to create a connection between two people. Youth isn't, and neither is money. These things attract others on a superficial basis, but they don't make others love, respect and connect deeply with you.

 

I suspect that underneath all the bravado, even (perhaps especially) the most spiteful and negative of warriors in the battle of the genders wants to be loved in that beyond-instant-gratification manner. Maybe that's where most of the negativity stems from. The fact that they doubt they can be. The only option left, when a person feels that way, is to convince others that they're the same way. That the drive for instant gratification is all there is to us.

[Citizen Erased]

Actually women are a lot like Isreal because they can commit utter atrocities and hurt many innocent people in the process yet they still act like they are the victim.

 

:lmao: Classic Woggle.

[PinkKittyKat]

Actually women are a lot like Isreal because they can commit utter atrocities and hurt many innocent people in the process yet they still act like they are the victim.

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[stillafool]

Women can do some things, but they cannot simply become more attractive than a younger more attractive female.

 

Men can do some things, but they cannot simply become more

attractive than a younger more attractive male.

 

Wow, see how that goes both ways? Youth is beautiful.

[clv0116]

Of course youth and health are attractive to both sexes. However women seem to be a lot more complex and weigh in things like genetic diversity and ability to provide whereas men don't typically give a rip about those things. In that overall weighing process (which doesn't seem, according to the research, to imply anything conscious BTW) men can easily overcome some amount of lesser physical beauty or youth in themselves with other traits.

 

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just reporting what the survey said and saying my daily experience agrees with the research.

[sumdude]

This is all so funny ... if I was to marry a young woman choosing the 'traditional' family unit with the mother at home raising the kids while they're small? Youth and a fine body aren't enough. If she's foolish, vacuous and lacks intelligence and drive then the kids probably end up the same the same... and who wants to add more annoying dumb****s to the world anyway?

[clv0116]

It's not a matter that 'any young woman will do', however most men, particularly high earning men, don't care about things like what her career earns or whether she has prospects for future professional growth. We have other constraints. Why do people think that because a young woman wants a traditional life she's without ambition and intelligence?

 

Sort of demeaning if you ask me.

[movingonandon]

There you go then. A useful weapon in the war of the sexes.

 

People are attracted to youth, beauty and the dream of a lavish lifestyle. No, really? I never knew that....but now that I come to think about it. Well, why else would programmes like Cribs and The Fabulous Life be so popular?

 

The assets under discussion here (youth and wealth) are undoubtedly sexually attractive to our mass of basic drives, instincts and the desire to obtain instant gratification. The problem is that the very people who are on a constant mission of self gratification can't seem to bear to see their own self-centred, exploitative mindset reflected in others.

 

A rich man who's a psychological mess is no less pitiful and no more loveable because he happens to have money. Example: Guy I was talking to the other night. His complaint could be summed up as "I just want a pretty, kind woman who'll love me. If I had someone like that, I could lose weight and be happy." What's he offering? "A comfortable lifestyle." No, but what's he offering to make someone love him, as opposed to exploiting him for their own ends? "I'd love her back."

 

That promise isn't enough to create a connection between two people. Youth isn't, and neither is money. These things attract others on a superficial basis, but they don't make others love, respect and connect deeply with you.

 

I suspect that underneath all the bravado, even (perhaps especially) the most spiteful and negative of warriors in the battle of the genders wants to be loved in that beyond-instant-gratification manner. Maybe that's where most of the negativity stems from. The fact that they doubt they can be. The only option left, when a person feels that way, is to convince others that they're the same way. That the drive for instant gratification is all there is to us.

 

You? Lose weight? Someone so articulate can only weight 98 punds, no doubt.

 

Anyway - I strongly disagree with your theory. People do not need to extrapolate their own negative, quilt-ridden tendencies and project them on others to end up bitter about the mating process.

 

Not sayin' that there are innocents here on either side, but most people learn early on that no matter how sincerely they want to simply love someone and be loved in return, reality sets in pretty quickly: good men get rejected for frivolous and nonsensical reasons, and good women get messed up after being f***d a couple of times for fun and dumped - repeatedly. Then, it gets no better even when you find someone --> it is not unlikely to doubt your own and their motives for sometime.

 

So, it's merely a defense mechanism. I personally have hard time accepting the idea that the "survival of the fittest" type process of attraction can be short-circuited. Ironically, that's exactly why the alpha males are doing well --> you pursue your own needs unapologetically, soimetimes even to the detriment of the others, and girls *eat this s***t up*. So, why change into more compassionate and understanding person? It would be a bad idea, even if you wanted to!

 

Sure, eventually *if* you are lucky, you get to enjoy trust- and intimacy- based relaitonship *but* to get there your bad self needs to exude , or cover" all the simple basics of attraction. Your potential soulmate will simply not give you the time of day unless you actually check out on all relevant dimensions that generate attraction. Saying on topic, working a ****ty job and having no money will not necessarily prevent you from finding a good woman, but will almost certainly complicate it (i.e. you will need to excel disproportionately, and quicly, in an area that gets her off, to overcompaensate for the instant disadvantage)

 

Moreover, let's not forget that relative to the lenght of the numan history, the notion of romantic love is extremely new, just a couple of hundred years (rennesaince) and is already falling out of fashion IMO. For the most part marriages were simply transactions to regulate sexual behavior and inheritance property rights.

[Tomcat33]

Why do people think that because a young woman wants a traditional life she's without ambition and intelligence?

 

 

Because only a really dumb, superficial, parasite sits around on her azz waiting for the "right" guy to pick her and pay her way through life.

That's why. It's not rocket science. I don't care WHO takes offense to that, a woman should be offended to be that, it is the bottom of the barrel of existence.

 

 

May you make enough money to support a daughter that you will encourage to do nothing on her own and with her life, HOPING that some man comes along and sweeps her off her feet before she turns 25 otherwise you are in for very EXPENSIVE parenting.

 

If you want to know what these women will be like just look at The Real Houswives of Orange County look at their daughters for a taste of what I mean. You think the moms are annoying? WAIT 'til you meet their daughters.

[clv0116]

Wow, there seems to be a vast disparity in views as to what amount of effort it takes to become a competent homemaker. I always thought it was a reasonably challenging life choice that also allowed for reasonable time for self betterment.

 

Maybe being a SAHM really is a life of eating bon-bons and watching Oprah.

[movingonandon]

Because only a really dumb, superficial, parasite sits around on her azz waiting for the "right" guy to pick her and pay her way through life.

That's why. It's not rocket science. I don't care WHO takes offense to that, a woman should be offended to be that, it is the bottom of the barrel of existence.

 

 

May you make enough money to support a daughter that you will encourage to do nothing on her own and with her life, HOPING that some man comes along and sweeps her off her feet before she turns 25 otherwise you are in for very EXPENSIVE parenting.

 

If you want to know what these women will be like just look at The Real Houswives of Orange County look at their daughters for a taste of what I mean. You think the moms are annoying? WAIT 'til you meet their daughters.

 

The Real Housewives of OC really combine the worst of all worlds - truely parasites, yes, beats me how anybody would put up with such wackos.

 

Also, whether you have a point or not is irrelevant - this type of attitude/tone would turn off most men. (Talking in CAPS doesn't quite signify the prospect of comfortable domestic life ). Moreover, if you have to insult other's choices to defend your own, are they really your choices, or choices you're happy with?

[Tomcat33]

No it's not undermining the job of a STAHM because it is IS hard work, but a woman who has never lifted a finger in her entire life who only aspires to have someone to support her financially, exactly how much effort do you think a woman like that is going to bring to the table?

 

Think about it? She has had everything bought for her and has no experience in life other than to have mommy and daddy and now men do for her, exactly how much do you think a woman like that can contribute to your family life? She has never had a sense of self or a sense of independence or a sense of contributing to life in any sort of way and she goes from that to becoming a full time mom, wife and house keeper?

 

How long do you think a woman like that at the age of 24 can stand the responsibilities of being a housewife knowing that there is a WHOLE world out there of possibilities sooner or later she will crave the world, and the parties and variety of men that come along with that because while every other woman was doing that at age 21 she was off getting hitched with some old bag man who extracted her from society. And I'm sorry but at 21 a woman does not know a thing about life, she may be mature for her age she may be very articulate for her age but she really hasn't a CLUE about life so to say she chose that life for herself is hogwash. A 40 yr old man knows exactly what he is getting himself into a 21 yr old GIRL does not.

 

And guess what, when she craves the world at that point YOU who is so concerned with being used by older women who are financially hung up on men, are going to be the one who forks out all your assets and earnings to a woman who no longer wants to be with you and wants a divorce to play the field to recapture her youth.

As long as you don't go crying at 45 and wondering what went wrong, it's your life....5 years of "happiness" is better than none I suppose..

 

 

You have this idea of a servile young horny princess that will lavish you and take care of you and your young who will cook you spectacular meals and keep your home shiny and clean, and you seem to forget we live in a capitalist western world one which is founded on supply and demand and where a lot of women in their 30's don't even cook let alone a 21 yr old. There isn't a woman alive in a first world nation that does not appreciate money and material things, so you are really deluding yourself thinking that a girl that aspires to be a SATHW and only that does it for the love of men and service of. WRONG they do it because they are lazy and want to put in the least amount of effort in life in order to get the most free ride possible.

 

THAT my friend, is the true definition of a parasite.

 

If we were all living in Afghanistan, different story but since we are not let me clue you in to how the 1st world woman thinks, may I?

[Tomcat33]

The Real Housewives of OC really combine the worst of all worlds - truely parasites, yes, beats me how anybody would put up with such wackos.

 

 

 

Yeah well guess what, all those women were 20 yrs old at some point and wanted to become housewives. Look at what they are now. Even the youngest one the blond one (don't know her name) the one who's much older huband is in the hospital with cancer is so trashy, completely no class, and annoying, she is drunk every single episode making out with the SONS of the other ladies in the cirlce of friends. Classy!

But you know something I almost can't fault her, she is very young and she probably feels like she is in way over her head. She is taking care of the old man's children (3 teenage kids) and taking care of the old man with cancer (he is SO GROSS no money in the world could make me stay next to a man like that) and her youth is being spent doing things that 40-50 yr old women should be doing. Can you really blame her?

 

THAT is what you get when you combine a woman with really good looks, no education and 0 life experience.

 

Good luck with that, if I were a dude I'd tell you "better you than me"

 

 

PS I don't talk all in caps what are you talking about? I use caps for certain words because that is how I talk, I accentuate the words I would accentuate in a conversation, it's my style. I find it flat when you just write as if we were writing a techincal document. We are having a conversation aren't we?

 

You will have to do better than that.

[clv0116]

No it's not undermining the job of a STAHM because it is IS hard work, but a woman who has never lifted a finger in her entire life

 

I don't know where you get this stereotype from but it's dead wrong. The girls I'm dating have all worked around the house very hard to help their mom. They have learned from their mother how to cook and care for a house. I don't date lazy women.

 

 

 

How long do you think a woman like that at the age of 24 can stand the responsibilities of being a housewife

 

The 24 year old I'm dating at the moment is actually caring for all her younger siblings while her mom runs the family business that was left to them when her father died of cancer. She seems to be holding up quite well and in fact ti's hard to find time to date her because she's so focused on her responsibilities. I think she's pretty awesome.

 

 

 

.... we live in a capitalist western world one which is founded on supply and demand and where a lot of women in their 30's don't even cook let alone a 21 yr old.

 

I only need one, and you are right the laws of economics apply very directly. The women with those traits have more to offer and get higher bids in the dating game than others who offer less.

[Alma Mobley]

Gosh, I went away for a few days and missed all the fun!

 

However, Ms Mobley will take questions, from males or females, thank you.

[Tomcat33]

The 24 year old I'm dating at the moment is actually caring for all her younger siblings while her mom runs the family business that was left to them when her father died of cancer. She seems to be holding up quite well and in fact ti's hard to find time to date her because she's so focused on her responsibilities. I think she's pretty awesome.

 

 

Aaaalrightie then, we'll see how she holds up when she has to do this full time for you and about 5 yrs down the road when she realizes she has done nothing but play molly maid and babysitter since she was 15. She probably already resents her mother for leaving her in charge to play mother when she is just a child herself. Guess who will bear the brunt of that baggage?

Cue: clv0116

 

:laugh: I'm sorry but that last part....:laugh: you can't find "time to date her" because she is so focused on baby sitting her siblings?

 

 

I wish you all the luck with that, trust me, you WILL need it.

[Tomcat33]

 

 

The women with those traits have more to offer and get higher bids in the dating game than others who offer less.

 

 

Riiiight of course they are. So then why is your 24 nubile princess still up for grabs? She sould have been snatched up at 21 then, 24 is getting rather old and sloppy seconds territory ain't it?

[clv0116]

Riiiight of course they are. So then why is your 24 nubile princess still up for grabs?

 

She has pretty high standards. *shrug*

[Alma Mobley]

The 24 year old I'm dating at the moment is actually caring for all her younger siblings while her mom runs the family business that was left to them when her father died of cancer. She seems to be holding up quite well and in fact ti's hard to find time to date her because she's so focused on her responsibilities. I think she's pretty awesome.

 

Ouch -- you are in for major drama. You probably know this already, but best of luck! It's gonna be tough.

[Tomcat33]

She has pretty high standards. *shrug*

 

 

So do we over the hill old bags. Imagine that? And guess what else, we had high standards at 24 as well.

 

Life's funny isn't?

[clv0116]

Ouch -- you are in for major drama. You probably know this already, but best of luck! It's gonna be tough.

 

I'm gonna inherit a lot of family responsibilities if I pursue it to the logical conclusion, you are correct. On the other hand they are good people and work hard so it's not like I'm partnering in with some welfare baby factory or something. She's pretty spectacular really or I wouldn't consider it. Also her younger siblings are growing up, and her older married sister is getting established so her load will be lightening with or without help from me.

 

Not really on topic but everyone likes to brag about their sweetie a little.

[clv0116]

So do we over the hill old bags. Imagine that? And guess what else, we had high standards at 24 as well.

 

Life's funny isn't?

 

Some are married and some are not. Life is actually pretty predictable in the broad strokes, it's the details that tend to be less so.

[Tomcat33]

But TC, SOME guys can handle ONLY a really dumb, superficial parasite with a perpetual pasted-on smile and plastic boobs purchased in So Cal. They couldn't deal with a woman with any brains. Their you-know-whats would shrink.

 

 

Let the poor saps delude themselves they think they have it figured out when they don't realise NO woman on earth that has spent her youth looking after others and playing housewife is going to reach 30 and not feel like she sacrificed a GREAT part of her life. It doesn't matter how great a man is a woman feels what she feels inside. The poor idiots are the ones left to deal with their meandering wives. I suppose cuckold hubbies are quite in fashion these days, because essentially a woman who gave up her youth for others will eventually want more.

[Woggle]

I love how some feminists talk about how they want women liberated but then look down on any woman that doesn't want to live life like an episode from Sex and the city. They are the typical elitist career women who think that anybody that doesn't live like them is somehow inferior.

[Alma Mobley]

I'm gonna inherit a lot of family responsibilities if I pursue it to the logical conclusion, you are correct. On the other hand they are good people and work hard so it's not like I'm partnering in with some welfare baby factory or something. She's pretty spectacular really or I wouldn't consider it. Also her younger siblings are growing up, and her older married sister is getting established so her load will be lightening with or without help from me.

 

Not really on topic but everyone likes to brag about their sweetie a little.

 

That is fine, you can brag, but that is a lot of responsibliity and that is why I wished you luck! If you feel up to the task that is your biz, no one else's.

 

Do what you need to do, but don't put the rest of us down for what we do -- fair enough?