Survey says: Women like money, men like youth

[movingonandon]

This is where you fall short of estimating the capabilities of a "fiierce" woman. A fierce woman ironically enough will probably understand it more because she is accustomed to making sacrifices to obtain what she wants. She doesn't sit around on her patootie all day hoping that she will "get lucky" and life will benfit her. She makes her luck therefore can fully comprehend what it is like to make sacrifices to obtain that.

 

I wish you were right - the woman in question is getting a PhD in rocket science (literally). So I think it's a function of character qualities (I won't call them somewhat common gender traits, just to make my small contribution to world peace .)

[Alma Mobley]

Applying a statistical result directly to an individual is madness, however it's a great way to predict how the overall population will behave. I don't care about you individually (not in a mean way, just saying) so much as I care about the knowledge that there is an acceptably large pool of women who will in fact behave more or less in accord with the statistical norm. All I have to do is sort through that pool.

 

As for fertility issues I don't think you have anything to fear but *I* want to show my future wife a really good time, travel, have some really rich shared experiences together and having kids immediately would make that difficult. Of course raising a family should also be rewarding but everything has it's time and place.

 

I said it was a fair answer. I don't know why you are bringing stats into it.

 

Your second paragraph sounds nice. I hope you meet that woman.

[Alma Mobley]

Is it really an insult?

 

How many women on this thread alone have said they dont like men even their same age , let alone older?

 

I don't like how things have flipped around in the last ten years or so

 

[raises hand]

 

I don't find men in their 30s particularly attractive as I think they let themselves go. Yeah, I said it and will own up to it.

 

I think women try harder than men in that age range to stay attractive. In general, but not all, of course. Single people naturally try harder, I think.

 

I am in my 30s, and it's not so much looks as availability -- most men are married in this age range. A woman like me has to either look at the younger guys or the much older (divorced) guys.

[clv0116]

Not outraged by his comments just reminding him, when he tries to tell us that he is not putting us down, that he actually is.

 

As I pointed out, I've merely addressed the fact that nothing is free and trade offs have been made. Denial, it's not just a river in Egypt.

 

 

 

That's because the "young pretty things" you're talking about on this thread who are interested in an older man are thus because they want $$$$ and that's the number one most important thing to them.

 

First, statistically speaking money matters to almost all women to some degree. Witness the creative terms and excuses we have seen here to validate the practice (my most but not all ) of not marrying down income wise.

 

Second, you can't know what the women in question value except that they behave like almost all other women by valuing security and the ability to provide among other things. It's impossible to rank their preferences into and order and then blanket that onto all individuals.

 

In my experience women tend to value the characteristics that bring money more than the money itself, but they use income as a shortcut way to evaluate for the characteristics they find appealing.

[clv0116]

I said it was a fair answer. I don't know why you are bringing stats into it.

 

Your second paragraph sounds nice. I hope you meet that woman.

 

I brought stats into to show you that I would not "tell me what I want or how I act" on an individual basis and never meant to imply that. Thanks for your kind words.

[Tomcat33]

I don't like how things have flipped around in the last ten years or so

 

Yes of course you would hate how things are going for me for the last 10yrs, things are very different now from how things used to be for men for let's say...ohhhh.... forever!

 

I wish you were right - the woman in question is getting a PhD in rocket science (literally). So I think it's a function of character qualities (I won't call them somewhat common gender traits, just to make my small contribution to world peace .)

 

 

Ok fine maybe my example was not strong enough but you are talking about what seems like an overachiever, someone who had other goals in life other than being in a relationship. Her career DID come first. So when you are that dedicated to a career then yes of course you would be somewhat disconnected from your partner's needs. It seems both you and Woggle use extreme examples of women that were disfunctional within the realm of a relationship because they had other needs outside of it, and then you use that to suggest all women operate this way.

 

I guess if I am really honest I am doing much of the same when I give the example of the brainless girl sitting around eating chocolate all day long.

So if you are going to use extremes to demonstrate your point then I think we can too.

[Trialbyfire]

What's the present market value of a woman under 30 who is pursuing men with money? Is now a good time to buy shares in her, or is her stock likely to fall further in the current climate?

Do a market depth analytic on this. What will the demand factor be? If the largest percentage of men are going to hit mid-life crisis in the next 5 years, then now is the time to buy before the peak of demand. Also, never run with the lemmings when investing, be on the leading edge. Sell when you're relatively happy with the profit. Don't be a bear, holding on for sheer greed sakes, and wait for a peak that might never come.

 

I now know that this would have no bearing on my lovelife, as men don't pursue rich women. I think a lifetime of sitting by the pool drinking cocktails, hiding from harsh reality with botox and paying poolboys to tell me I'm pretty well could help to ease the heartache though. Who wants in?

[lord alfred douglas]

[raises hand]

 

I don't find men in their 30s particularly attractive as I think they let themselves go. Yeah, I said it and will own up to it.

 

I think women try harder than men in that age range to stay attractive. In general, but not all, of course. Single people naturally try harder, I think.

 

I am in my 30s, and it's not so much looks as availability -- most men are married in this age range. A woman like me has to either look at the younger guys or the much older (divorced) guys.

OK so you say you dont like the looks of men over 30 generally speaking, so whats wrong with the OP saying the same thing?

[Tomcat33]

Denial, it's not just a river in Egypt.

 

 

"Denial" is not a river in Egypt actually. And it's not a few miles south of Funky Town, or connected to Boardwalk.

 

Do not pass go do not collect $200.

[lord alfred douglas]

Yes of course you would hate how things are going for me for the last 10yrs, things are very different now from how things used to be for men for let's say...ohhhh.... forever!

Well I dont have to like it

[clv0116]

Well, as a woman, I personally tend to value characteristics that bring happiness and companionship into my life and that of my son. Someone who can at least pay his OWN way (thus not live off me) is a must, but I don't need his money, and I wouldn't want a guy based on that. I have to look at a man's heart, first and foremost, for my soul food.

 

While your warmth and fuzziness are charming I can't help but notice that buried in there is one of the many coded ways women say "I won't marry down, but ...", it's cute and predicable.

 

Most men have no issues marrying down financially. For most, as long as the finances will work at all it's just not an issue at all.

[Alma Mobley]

OK so you say you dont like the looks of men over 30 generally speaking, so whats wrong with the OP saying the same thing?

 

Oh, there are many handsome men over 30 -- my point was, they are mostly married! Which kinda stinks if you are a woman who has never been married and in her 30s.

 

Sorry if made it confusing.

 

I don't date men in their 30s -- I date 20s, because they are single and pursuing me. What ya gonna do? <shrug>

[Tomcat33]

Well I dont have to like it

 

 

But I am not asking you to like it! In fact you have every right to hate it. I would hate it too if life had been eternally set in my favour just because I was born with a pair of cojones, and then suddenly my world gets pulled upside down and some of that unbalanced power was usurped from me.

I would be downright angry.

 

Who says women can't empathise with you?

[lord alfred douglas]

But I am not asking you to like it! In fact you have every right to hate it. I would hate it too if life had been eternally set in my favour just because I was born with a pair of cojones, and then suddenly my world gets pulled upside down and some of that unbalanced power was usurped from me.

I would be downright angry.

 

Who says women can't empathise with you?

Im glad there are still some selfish, superficial men like the OP

 

Everythings been reversed. Now women make all the demands on getting their selfish needs met and most men just cower and ask "how high".

 

Now in addition to making as much money and keeping in shape your average woman expects you to have at least a seven inch pinga, never lose a hair on your head and be ten years younger too

 

Its easier to get into Harvard Med then live up to the expectations of the average American these days

[clv0116]

Please point that portion out, cause I missed it.

 

.... Someone who can at least pay his OWN way (thus not live off me) is a must ....

 

Thus someone who was charming and practically perfect in every way but perhaps not quite able to pay his own way would be passed over. Most men won't give that a second thought if they can carry the extra load without duress. Forgive me if I misunderstood the nature of your relationship, but if we take as given that resource consumption within a relationship as tightly coupled as a marriage is roughly equal then it's logical that a man "not living off you" would have to provide 50% or more of the resources.

 

It can't be both ways. Either you live independent life styles, or he makes more, or he lives off you.

 

If you make more and don't help him live at your standard of living then you are correct, otherwise you are in fact married to a man who does not completely pay his own way and who therefore does in fact partially "live off you", so it would be good to know the facts here.

[Alma Mobley]

Cvl,

 

There is nothing wrong with wanting to date a man who makes as much money or at least close to it as one makes.

 

Like usually attracts like. It is not as though she's a goldigger here. Most men these days expect women to have an income, and again, like attracts like.

 

And before you jump on me, I got with someone who didn't even make half what I did.

[clv0116]

We live together. We split the bills. He has money left, and I have money left.

 

Oh I see, I thought you were married but you're actually room mates. I was talking about actual married couples who pool their resources and work as a team.

 

That's why I said "marry down" and not "share living space with".

[clv0116]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to date a man who makes as much money or at least close to it as one makes.

 

For a woman I think it's wonderful and natural and I wholeheartedly endorse it. Why would you think I would see it negatively?

[Alma Mobley]

Wow. I have to spell out such a simple concept, eh?

 

We live together. We split the bills. He has money left, and I have money left. I have MORE money left than he does because I earn more.

 

Before we moved in together, we both paid our OWN way in our OWN homes.

 

There. Get it now? Sheesh!

 

Donna you are missing the point -- we are all gold diggers and ONLY chose men whose income we like. You should not be splitting bills! Get with the program and start acting like ALL women and mooching off hard-working men!! Gosh girl didn't you get the memo?

[justus_r]

In my experiences money indeed *is* a factor

that influences most women.

However, for 'dating' or even a 'relationship' almost

every woman can be convinced by lots of other things

to date or rather get into a relationship with a man!

 

... For sure money immediately opens lots of doors.

But there are many other possibilities to use as a

door opener. And especially to *keep* a relationship

(or a series of dates) a man will need other things than

money!

 

However, I came here to find some *test-readers* for

my latest ebook: "4 Ways To Lay A Woman At First Date"!

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=> If you're a *native speaker* (English) and you're interested

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Have a good time!

 

Justus

[clv0116]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What part of the word marry was difficult to comprehend for you? I specifically said "women generally don't want to marry down" and you cited your unmarried case as an exception ..... how?

 

No wonder you're looking for a gal with a simple mind.

 

That's just mean, uncalled for and untrue.

[Alma Mobley]

How many women do you actually know? How many are you friends are female (LS does not count!)

[clv0116]

Donna you are missing the point -- we are all gold diggers and ONLY chose men whose income we like. You should not be splitting bills! Get with the program and start acting like ALL women and mooching off hard-working men!! Gosh girl didn't you get the memo?

 

I don't think anyone reasonable would say that.

[clv0116]

I fail to see how "married" makes any damn difference ....

 

I clearly said women generally don't want to marry down. As I have said before I try to speak precisely. If I had meant "generally don't want to live with someone who makes less money" I would have said so clearly.

 

Any other questions I can help you with?

[clv0116]

How many women do you actually know? How many are you friends are female (LS does not count!)

 

Outside relatives I don't have a lot of female friends I'm not dating or have not dated in the past, but then I'm not a real social animal. Probably only 40% of my friends are female but I don't actually keep a strict count on friendships.