Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I really love how people throw terms around... That's logically valid, but empirically invalid. Most men look their best in the 30-40 age bracket Oh my, are you sure about that? Have you done a study? Have you even visited most of the US or Canada? Have you looked at the stats on obesity, for instance? You are certain that men between 30-40 "look their best"? Conversely, as unfair and sad as it is, women begin to fade in their 30s, which reduces the incentive among guys in the same age group to date them, relative to girls that are younger, particularly with the prospect of marriage - if you marry a girl in mid-30s, you pretty much have to start thinking about kids right away etc. I understand that I'm a little old-fashioned in this, but even if i wasn't, it is nice not to have this additional stress to worry about. Dating is complicated enough without it .Well, my own experience contradicts that, as I got more attention from men, sexual and relationships-wise, AFTER I hit 30. I realize I am a study of one, so I cannot generalize, but yeah, I do get tired of the rhetoric on here and people telling me that after 30 or 35 or whatever that I am no longer interesting as a woman and should just fade away. Hmmph. Link to post Share on other sites
Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I have no idea, since I don't date younger men! Keep fooling yourself moving! 5 years, no worries. 10 years? Stretching it unless the early twenties girl is either a gold digger or has a daddy complex. I should have my marriage annulled, pronto! Link to post Share on other sites
blondesmiler Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Conversely, as unfair and sad as it is, women begin to fade in their 30s, which reduces the incentive among guys in the same age group to date them, relative to girls that are younger, particularly with the prospect of marriage - if you marry a girl in mid-30s, you pretty much have to start thinking about kids right away etc. I understand that I'm a little old-fashioned in this, but even if i wasn't, it is nice not to have this additional stress to worry about. Dating is complicated enough without it . Sharon Stone 50+ Susan Sarandon 50+ Helen Mirren 60+ Demi Moore 40+ Cameron Diaz 35 Jennifer Aniston 40 Elle McPherson 40+ Cindy Crawford 40+ Salma Hyack 40+ Penelope Cruz 35 (ish) Lisa Snowdon 36 Rachel Stevens 30 Halle Berry 40+ CJZ 35+ Heidi Klum 35+ Just for starters, of course I use celebs due to the fact we all know, I could tell you about my friends over 35 or 40 but you wouldn't have a scoobie who I am talking too. All the above women are followed, photographed, adored, loved by men. I think more often than not women are now getting better with age. Sexier, more confident (which men say is one quality they put high up on their lists of likes) than women in their teens and twenties, more experienced, less clingy and independent (again qualities alot of men say they like). Just a thought. Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 I should have my marriage annulled, pronto! Easy tiger. Differences in age are seldom a real issue in my experience. One statistic I've read is that the divorce rate for older American men who marry younger foreign women is only 20%. Interesting, no? Link to post Share on other sites
Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Well, I don't know about that list, but Helen Mirren rocks my socks. Link to post Share on other sites
Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Easy tiger. Differences in age are seldom a real issue in my experience. One statistic I've read is that the divorce rate for older American men who marry younger foreign women is only 20%. Interesting, no? I was being sarcastic to TBF, which I am sure she was aware. Um, thanks for the stats? I'm the OLDER one (female) married to a younger man, but...thanks? And we are of the same nationality. so..? Oh I see you are being FUNNY! Oh those silly American women... Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Sharon Stone 50+ .... Have you seen these women lately? Some like Salma still look pretty good but not a single one can hold a candle to her younger self. Susan Sarandon looks like a train wreck. Look at Salma Hayek 20 years ago and today. Today she's pretty, 20 years ago she was a walking heartbreak. Same with every one of them. Also look at Angela Lansbury: http://www.claudiocaprara.it/blogs/bloggerarchimg/claudiocaprara/archivio/Angela%20Lansbury%201.jpg Enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites
Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 ::cry:: I'm over 30 -- I am ugly. Tell me, what should I do? Link to post Share on other sites
movingonandon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I really love how people throw terms around... Oh my, are you sure about that? Have you done a study? Have you even visited most of the US or Canada? Have you looked at the stats on obesity, for instance? You are certain that men between 30-40 "look their best"? Well, my own experience contradicts that, as I got more attention from men, sexual and relationships-wise, AFTER I hit 30. I realize I am a study of one, so I cannot generalize, but yeah, I do get tired of the rhetoric on here and people telling me that after 30 or 35 or whatever that I am no longer interesting as a woman and should just fade away. Hmmph. Well, that's the purpose of a forum - to yap away. If i wanted to do a study, I'd apply for a research grant. In this case, anecdotal evidence is enough. All else equal, a man in his 30's has less to worry about than a woman in her 30s. And I derive no satisfaction of ****ting on women in their 30s (I'm dating, one, for crying out loud). But, I would very likely dismiss a woman who is older than me, even if she still looks good, just because the primate in me wants as great a likelihood of healthy babies as possible. Even with the advancements of modern healthcare, this is not an issue that can be easily ignored. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I should have my marriage annulled, pronto! Yes you should! I'm just jacking around in this thread because of the silly assumptions and justifications being made by our resident women haters. Link to post Share on other sites
Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Moving, if you want babies, date younger women, I have no problem with that. Well, since anecdotal is enough -- most men I've seen in their 30s and 40s have NOT taken care of themselves physically. I suspect they got divorced sometime in their late 30s or something and totally let themselves go. Yuck. Men in their 20s and early 30s look much better and take care of themselves. I am a woman in my 30s and I have taken care of myself, sheesh -- the man should also. Oh yeah, that's why I started dating younger men... But hey, I don't begrudge you, at al! As long as you don't begrude me! Link to post Share on other sites
Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Yes you should! I'm just jacking around in this thread because of the silly assumptions and justifications being made by our resident women haters. I know, I suck -- I let them bait me every time. I can't help it. Link to post Share on other sites
movingonandon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Sharon Stone 50+ Susan Sarandon 50+ Helen Mirren 60+ Demi Moore 40+ Cameron Diaz 35 Jennifer Aniston 40 Elle McPherson 40+ Cindy Crawford 40+ Salma Hyack 40+ Penelope Cruz 35 (ish) Lisa Snowdon 36 Rachel Stevens 30 Halle Berry 40+ CJZ 35+ Heidi Klum 35+ Just for starters, of course I use celebs due to the fact we all know, I could tell you about my friends over 35 or 40 but you wouldn't have a scoobie who I am talking too. All the above women are followed, photographed, adored, loved by men. I think more often than not women are now getting better with age. Sexier, more confident (which men say is one quality they put high up on their lists of likes) than women in their teens and twenties, more experienced, less clingy and independent (again qualities alot of men say they like). Just a thought. They're great, but that wasn't my point - I'd jump in bed with any of the above, as long as I could leave. But I wouldn't want any of them to be my wife, much less try to be the mother of my babies. (Of course, that said, age is a risk worth taking, but only with an otherwise exceptional woman. However, my decision process is pretty simple - I wouldn't hang out forever waiting for her - I'll just marry the first one who satisfies a limited number of criteria, sufficient span of safe childbearing age being one of them ) Also, it's a minor point, but let's not forget that they have access to care and resources not available to most women, not to mention that their photographs wouldn't be worth a dime if it wasn't for the armies of Photoshop fairies . Look at their hands - hands don't lie Link to post Share on other sites
Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Hell, I might turn and do Mirren.. hmm, I wonder what that says about me? Link to post Share on other sites
blondesmiler Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Yes you should! I'm just jacking around in this thread because of the silly assumptions and justifications being made by our resident women haters. must be a horrid world to hate women so much as they do, yet yearn for them more so!! I like men, frustrating at times they maybe but I still like them Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 I love this assumption of hatred where none exists. It's just a series of surveys on sexual attraction in humans. The one where women liked the smell of men who were genetically different was pretty cool also. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I know, I suck -- I let them bait me every time. I can't help it. No worries. I do too, when I'm feeling cranky. It's quite therapeutic. must be a horrid world to hate women so much as they do, yet yearn for them more so!! I like men, frustrating at times they maybe but I still like them So do I but one thing's for certain, anyone who takes on the victim mentality against the big, bad, opposite gender, needs to realize that there's only one constant in the equation. Funny how so many unwealthy men are happily in relationships, marriage, family or not. This includes the not so attractive, not physically fit man who's just a pleasant, happy and balanced individual. Link to post Share on other sites
Alma Mobley Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 CV, I am crushed, you never answered me! I'm going to go take comfort in the arms of my now 26-year old husband. You know, the waiter I met when he was 23, whom I posted earlier about? He is pretty cute too! PM me for his myspace Best o'luck. Link to post Share on other sites
sumdude Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Well, since anecdotal is enough -- most men I've seen in their 30s and 40s have NOT taken care of themselves physically. I suspect they got divorced sometime in their late 30s or something and totally let themselves go. Yuck. Men in their 20s and early 30s look much better and take care of themselves. I am a woman in my 30s and I have taken care of myself, sheesh -- the man should also. Oh yeah, that's why I started dating younger men... But hey, I don't begrudge you, at al! As long as you don't begrude me! Well, if that ain't a generalization.. lol... hmmm I'm 40, divorced at 38 and I seriously look better than I did 5 years ago. Then again I worked my butt off to get there after the D happened. So why is it that the "Worlds Sexiest Men" are almost always from their late 30's to their early 50's? George Clooney Hugh Jackman Peirce Brosnan Harrison Ford etc etc... Is it just fame & money? Link to post Share on other sites
CommitmentPhobe Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 So why is it that the "Worlds Sexiest Men" are almost always from their late 30's to their early 50's? George Clooney Hugh Jackman Peirce Brosnan Harrison Ford etc etc... Is it just fame & money? Yes... It's a good point. When I come on here I sometimes wonder whether I'm in an alternate universe or something. I think the only explanation for this phenomenon is that a lot of women here have overdosed on-line dating and thing the worlds full of boring, fat, ugly dudes. But then it goes the other way around with men describing women in their 30's as something that's crawled out of a swamp. I dunno what's going on Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat33 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 No need to get all worked up here, It's funny that every time a woman disagrees with your point of view, you take a personal dig against her and tell her to "calm down" Why don't you you calm down? You are starting to sound more emotional than a woman on PMS. I'm not (and probably never will be) rich by any conventional measure, but have pretty prestigious and secure job, I know that, it shows in your post what your core issue is and why you are so threatened by women with standards (standards not unlike the standards men have of women and their physical beauty) . A job is not the same as having a fulfilling career. You should have a career and be happier that way you would quit your whining once and for all. And by the way, the golddigger parasite is not the worst (they're easy to spot) - the worst is the woman(or a man) working a mediocre job or a job that she/he is not passionate about, ) oh you mean someone like you? Yes I agree those are the worst they are the ones that can't handle women who have realistic expectations that match what they have to offer and the only leg they have to stand on is some misogynistic jab at how men only want women under 25. If only I could believe that so many men were opposed to going out with older women, as it happens every single boyfriend I have had has (except for when I was 16-20) been younger than me by at least 2 yrs, and I am 35 and going strong. I turned down a guy who was 3 yrs younger than me just a few months ago because he was getting too serious and I was not feeling it. Jimmy Fallon who is hot, successful and funny as hell just married a woman who is successful and 40yrs old he is 33. The guy could have anyone he wants in hollywood, ANYONE. Yet he went for the older woman with a career. She is not super spectacular to look at and yet he is with her and wanted to marry her and no one else. Hugh Jackman same thing beautiful man with a woman 10yrs older than him who could almost look like his mom and he could be with any woman he wants yet he proudly parades his older W around at every hollywood event, who I might add doesn't even FIT the hollywood ideal of hotness. Drew Barrymore and Ed Westwick, Kim Katrall and Alan Wyse, Ivana Trum and Rossano Rubi, Linda Hogan and Charlie Hill the Hulk is not even with anyone, all older women with younger men the list is endless and not to mention there are a ton of men who are not famous who are the same. Some ladies can't even have children anymore and the men still want to be with them so that's perfect. Women who are in their 50's who have no interest in having children why wouldn't they date younger men? it makes the most sense of all a man starts his sexual decline after 35 pretty much where as a woman just gets more and more sexual pretty much up to her mid 50's some even 60s women don't lose their sexual drive and ability to perform as much as men do plus women tend to be a lot more jovial than men whent they age, more energetic. Take it from us women, times have changed men don't limit themselves anymore and it is NOT about sex only because in a few of my past experiences it was the men who wanted more of a commitment and not me. But as a whole and given all my experiences I prefer men my age or older at this stage of the game but not much older a lot of men in their late 30's to early forties start to look like my dad, I dunno what it is but there are a lot of men out there in their 40's that look older than my dad, and they may be fit but they still look old an outdated. I wish I could believe that men only go for really young women who clean offices for a living and are imported from latin america or russia but the reality is that it's not true. Only a certain type of man is restricted to a woman who is inferior in education and social standing that only has youth going for her. He is called "mid life crisis man" and mid life crisis man can happen as young as 27. He is so afraid to grow up that he grasps on to his youth via the youngest thing he could find and the law will allow, to prove to the world he is still worth while. Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 CV, I am crushed, you never answered me! Didn't I? Well I've been trying to not waste too much time on this, sorry to be neglectful. Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Any one care to take a stab at explaining the experimental results in a way different from the folks who ran the survey? It seemed pretty well run and definitive really, but any alternate theories should be addressed fully. Anyone? Link to post Share on other sites
calazhage Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I wish I could believe that men only go for really young women who clean offices for a living and are imported from latin america or russia but the reality is that it's not true. Only a certain type of man is restricted to a woman who is inferior in education and social standing that only has youth going for her. He is called "mid life crisis man" and mid life crisis man can happen as young as 27. He is so afraid to grow up that he grasps on to his youth via the youngest thing he could find and the law will allow, to prove to the world he is still worth while. Lol. How women twist things..So if a man is NOT superficial,(meaning he does not care about a woman's money of social standing), then he is "mid life crisis man". See, I would date a sweet nice cleaning girl. Why not? The reason is because I am not stuck up. She might be very intelligent, and make me happy. I am not trying to find a girl to cure cancer with, and I have never found "career women" to be all that stimulating, exciting, interesting.. Big deal, work and collect a paycheck at an office.. What makes you more intelligent than her? The difference is, you WOULD NOT date a man like that. Because as a female you STILL NEED his money, and you care about what everyone thinks. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Link to post Share on other sites
movingonandon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 It's funny that every time a woman disagrees with your point of view, you take a personal dig against her and tell her to "calm down" Why don't you you calm down? You are starting to sound more emotional than a woman on PMS. I know that, it shows in your post what your core issue is and why you are so threatened by women with standards (standards not unlike the standards men have of women and their physical beauty) . A job is not the same as having a fulfilling career. You should have a career and be happier that way you would quit your whining once and for all. oh you mean someone like you? Yes I agree those are the worst they are the ones that can't handle women who have realistic expectations that match what they have to offer and they only leg they have to stand on is some misogynistic jab at how men only want women under 25. If only I could believe that so many men were opposed to going out with older women, as it happens every single boyfriend I have had has except for when I was 16-20 has been younger than me by at least 2 yrs, and I am 35 and going strong. I turned down a guy who was 3 yrs younger than me just a few months ago because he was getting too serious and I was not feeling it. Jimmy Fallon who is hot, successful and funny as hell just married a woman who is successful and 40yrs old he is 33. The guy could have anyone he wants in hollywood, ANYONE. Yet he went for the older woman with a career. She is not super spectacular to look at and yet he is with her and wanted to marry her and no one else. Hugh Jackman same thing beautiful man with a woman 10yrs older than him who could almost look like his mom and he could be with any woman he wants yet he proudly parades his older W around at every hollywood event, who I might add doesn't even FIT the hollywood ideal of hotness. Drew Barrymore and Ed Westwick, Kim Katrall and Alan Wyse, Ivana Trum and Rossano Rubi, Linda Hogan and Charlie Hill the Hulk is not even with anyone, all older women with younger men the list is endless and not to mention there are a ton of men who are not famous who are the same. Some ladies can't even have children anymore and the men still want to be with them so that's perfect. Women who are in their 50's who have no interest in having children why wouldn't they date younger men? it makes the most sense of all a man starts his sexual decline after 35 pretty much where as a woman just gets more and more sexual pretty much up to her mid 50's some even 60s women don't lose their sexual drive and ability to perform as much as men do plus women tend to be a lot more jovial than men whent they age, more energetic. Take it from us women, times have changed men don't limit themselves anymore and it is NOT about sex only because in a few of my past experiences with me it was the men who wanted more of a commitment and not me. But as a whole and given all my experiences I prefer men my age or older at this stage of the game but not much older a lot of men in their late 30's to early forties start to look like my dad, I dunno what it is but there are a lot of men out there in their 40's that look older than my dad, and they may be fit but they still look old an outdated. I wish I could believe that men only go for really young women who clean offices for a living and are imported from latin america or russia but the reality is that it's not true. Only a certain type of man is restricted to a woman who is inferior in education and social standin that only has youth going for her. He is called "mid life crisis man" and mid life crisis man can happen as young as 27. He is so afraid to grow up that he grasps on to his youth via the youngest thing he could find and the law will allow to prove to the world he is still worth while. Hey, missy, that's exactly why I'm recommending calming down . I don't remember insulting you personally, although now you're giving me plenty to work with. Don't worry, I won't pounce. Say thanks to my mom who taught me how to treat ladies . As for your completely uncalled for attack on my livelihood - if you must know, I am in a position that you simply cannot be hired on unless you have a PhD (uh-oh), and the fact that i will not be rich is a direct consequence of my choice of a career that I am happy with versus a 'bandit-belt' consulting job that would easily let me earn twice as much or more (and would make it even easier to pick up chicks). So, 98% of all women will not match my educational achivements, and only maybe 10-15% or so will match my income. Check the census data . So, I'm not asking anyone to limit themselves to me . Indeed, as i said in an earlier post, I would not dismiss a woman solely because of age *as long as* she's exceptional in other important aspects (so that cancels out the age thing...). But, since I don't have a sense of entitlement of deserving the ultimate goddess, I will be happy with most decent, sane, average girls as long as their affections are not conditional on financial security. If anything, weeding out girls with those tendencies is the tricky part . You are right about one thing though: I will pick a modest girl who prioritizes the relatioinship as such *no matter what* over a "fierce" one with a long list of "demands" any day. Link to post Share on other sites
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