CommitmentPhobe Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Only a certain type of man is restricted to a woman who is inferior in education and social standing that only has youth going for her. He is called "mid life crisis man" and mid life crisis man can happen as young as 27. He is so afraid to grow up that he grasps on to his youth via the youngest thing he could find and the law will allow, to prove to the world he is still worth while. You were doing well up till here. This sort of reads "the type of guy that doesn't go for me is a ****" Link to post Share on other sites
morelaugh Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 .... the vast majority of women I know don’t feel this way. Of course not, just like the women in the study they simply find the men with high earning careers more attractive. It's almost like magic. Or neurotransmitters, one or the other. You wanted to discuss. Yet you dismiss any different opinion based on the premises that we are all liars (on top of being gold diggers). Now you extended your reasons to include magic and neurotransmitters (??) It looks like you never wanted a discussion, you just wanted confirmation. This may come as a surprise to some of you, but no one is sexually attracted to money. There is no such thing as money fetish. Women who SEEM attracted to money are not ACTUALLY attracted to money; they just FAKE the attraction to get the money (I beleive the correct term is prostitution). And that’s why those women later cheat on their rich husbands with the hot gardeners. And even if the survey is 100% correct, I don’t see how it gives men any advantage at all. Even if they are not able to see beauty in women after the age of 30. Not many men are rich and it’s not that easy to become rich, not even wealthy (if it was, we would have many more ‘attractive’ men around ). So, at the end of the day, they will still have to settle for less hot girls (the ‘hottest’ ones would have been already taken by much richer men). In addition, not all young girls are prepared to ‘settle’ for much older men. Most of them will find guys their own age, it’s not like they are all lining up for 40yo men. At the end of the day, an average earning man will end up with average looking, average age woman. It’s also interesting that we don’t have any ‘typical’ women posting here. You know why? Because women ARE different and atypical. I’m beginning to agree - men who are only able to see women through stereotypical filter must somehow feel threatened by women. If I may, I’d suggest hiring a maid and a young prostitute. That will not only satisfy all your needs but will also confirm your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
CommitmentPhobe Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 If I may, I’d suggest hiring a maid and a young prostitute. That sounds like a really good idea Anyone here want to share the costs on this? Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 I will pick a modest girl who prioritizes the relatioinship as such *no matter what* over a "fierce" one with a long list of "demands" any day. It's truly a joy to be around a woman like that, I agree. Like a breath of fresh air really. It's troubling in a way how simple experimental results followed by a set of reasonable conclusions (which also match other statistical studies) can cause so much anger Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat33 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 You were doing well up till here. This sort of reads "the type of guy that doesn't go for me is a ****" No no no I think you misunderstood what I was saying, for starters I am WELL aware that there are a lot of men that will not go for me. I can accept that and I came to terms to not being like by everyone many years ago, and it goes beyond a romantic realm even. I am not much of a crowd pleaser in general, as I am sure you have already noticed all on your own. So I can handle being the type of woman who is for an acquired taste. What I was making reference to was that there is special type of breed of men, they are also the types of men that make constant insulting remarks about women over 25 as if a woman once she hits 30 should be putting a bullet through her brain because her life is over and she is nothing BUT a troll just because she has turned 30. Those are the types of men I was referring to, and even when I was 21 those types of guys would not have gone for me because it is not about how young I looked and how tight my body is, it is about the kinds of women who represent this youth are about. I would have been too deep for these types back then as well, they want fun times with a submissive "don't speak unless you are spoken to types" and "I will do as I please while you beg me for more", types. That's not me it's never been me. So it's not about men who find a younger woman more attractive that's a given and I am not that out of touch to not understand why a guy might find a younger woman MORE appealing to look at, it is about the kinds of men that see women as vessels to carry out their needs, they don't see them in any human sense at all which is why they could care less if these women even could put a full sentence together let alone offer any level of emotional appeal. To them women are just pleasure chests used to carry their whimsical needs. Very different thing from your average guy saying "heck look at that young hot thing, I'd love to get me some of that" That's just boys being boys as far as I am concerned. Link to post Share on other sites
morelaugh Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Any one care to take a stab at explaining the experimental results in a way different from the folks who ran the survey? It seemed pretty well run and definitive really, but any alternate theories should be addressed fully. Anyone? To attempt to explain any study, in any way, you would have to have the actual paper, the actual data and a size and type of sample, as an absolute minimum. The paper itself would list all the limitations, assumptions, possible misinterpretations and disclaimers. Without it, no one is in a position to comment on the survey or its findings. Other studies (or lack of them) do not necessarily confirm the one you’re looking at. Famous example is tabacco smoking. For decades scientific studies were claiming that cigarettes are not bad for your health. But, since you asked: Red Enhances Men's Attraction To Women, Psychological Study Reveals http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081028074323.htm Women attracted to men who like children: study http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/497849/women_attracted_to_men_who_like_children_study/index.html According to a new study, men who are narcissistic, thrill-seeking liars and all round "bad boys" tend to have the greatest success finding more sexual partners. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2150930/Secrets-of-James-Bond%27s-success-with-women-unravelled.html Why men and women find longer legs more attractive http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jan/17/humanbehaviour.psychology Women are attracted to men with big pupils, says study http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1138746/The-look-love-Women-attracted-men-big-pupils-says-study.html?ITO=1490 How women pick men http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2007/06/how-women-pick-men.html WHY ARE WOMEN ATTRACTED TO THUGS? http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-are-women-attracted-to-thugs.html The science of magnetism http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/attraction/the-science-of-magnetism-926693.html Link to post Share on other sites
CommitmentPhobe Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 So it's not about men who find a younger woman more attractive that's a given and I am not that out of touch to not understand why a guy might find a younger woman MORE appealing to look at, it is about the kinds of men that see women as vessels to carry out their needs, they don't see them in any human sense at all which is why they could care less if these women even could put a full sentence together let alone offer any level of emotional appeal. To them women are just pleasure chests used to carry their whimsical needs. Very different thing from your average guy saying "heck look at that young hot thing, I'd love to get me some of that" That's just boys being boys as far as I am concerned. I do agree, unless the woman is really really mature for her age well, I don't see how any sane guy would want a woman so much younger than him. Having said that even the most commitment phobic player perptual youthful shag type guys I know in their late 30's and early 40's still steer clear of women in their 20's (find them a pain in the backside) so I'm not sure how many of these guys really do exist! I'm sure they do I can't say I've come across any! Link to post Share on other sites
stillafool Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Most men look their best in the 30-40 age bracket Really, says who? You, a man? You'd better think again sweetie because 18-28 year old men are gorgeous and virile. I used to think George Clooney was cute but with this new HDTV he is starting to look like an old bag. So, unless we're talking about dating women in their early 20s, which no sane guy in his mid 30s would do anyway, . This is not true. There are lots of men in their early to late thirties who love dating women in their early 20's. Where do you live? Conversely, as unfair and sad as it is, women begin to fade in their 30s, which reduces the incentive among guys in the same age group to date them, relative to girls that are younger, particularly with the prospect of marriage - if you marry a girl in mid-30s, you pretty much have to start thinking about kids right away etc. Good thing is a lot of women these days don't plan to have kids so I don't see this as a problem for the career girl. This means she wouldn't have to settle for an old man but could choose from a younger group. Therefore, men like you who probably want kids won't have to worry about all those 30 and older women, you can just go for a 20 year old. I really don't see what the argument is about anyway. If you desire women in their 20's it's okay and enjoy. It's just that women are starting to enjoy the fruits of their labor and finally can pick and choose as they please. Isn't it great that everyone can have what they want at last?! What I was making reference to was that there is special type of breed of men, they are also the types of men that make constant insulting remarks about women over 25 as if a woman once she hits 30 should be putting a bullet through her brain because her life is over and she is nothing BUT a troll just because she has turned 30. Those are the types of men I was referring to, and even when I was 21 those types of guys would not have gone for me because it is not about how young I looked and how tight my body is, it is about the kinds of women who represent this youth are about. I would have been too deep for these types back then as well, they want fun times with a submissive "don't speak unless you are spoken to types" and "I will do as I please while you beg me for more", types. That's not me it's never been me. So it's not about men who find a younger woman more attractive that's a given and I am not that out of touch to not understand why a guy might find a younger woman MORE appealing to look at, it is about the kinds of men that see women as vessels to carry out their needs, they don't see them in any human sense at all which is why they could care less if these women even could put a full sentence together let alone offer any level of emotional appeal. To them women are just pleasure chests used to carry their whimsical needs. Very different thing from your average guy saying "heck look at that young hot thing, I'd love to get me some of that" That's just boys being boys as far as I am concerned. TC, try to be patient with these guys. They are having a hard time adjusting to women making the same amount of money, therefore being able to make choices that we previously couldn't afford. It's very hard for them because they feel useless to us and it's very sad. Link to post Share on other sites
calazhage Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 So it's not about men who find a younger woman more attractive that's a given and I am not that out of touch to not understand why a guy might find a younger woman MORE appealing to look at, it is about the kinds of men that see women as vessels to carry out their needs, they don't see them in any human sense at all which is why they could care less if these women even could put a full sentence together let alone offer any level of emotional appeal. To them women are just pleasure chests used to carry their whimsical needs. Very different thing from your average guy saying "heck look at that young hot thing, I'd love to get me some of that" That's just boys being boys as far as I am concerned. So when you were 25, you could not put a sentence together, or offer any emotional appeal? Very odd.. But now at 35 you are the better catch, than at 25? Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 .... if these women even could put a full sentence together let alone offer any level of emotional appeal. I don't think it's really necessary to imply younger prettier women are idiots or that men who prefer them don't appreciate intelligence. In fact intelligence isn't the sole domain of the elderly. What you and a few others are doing here is a typical attempt at shaming, a common fallback tactic when other more rational means fail. Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat33 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 TC, try to be patient with these guys. They are having a hard time adjusting to women making the same amount of money, therefore being able to make choices that we previously couldn't afford. It's very hard for them because they feel useless to us and it's very sad. You hit the nail on the head Stillafool! Men always had the choices they chose safe and then went around behind their women's backs to fool around with the naughty girls. Well now women have the same options and I can see why this would be intimidating for men, a taste of their own medicine by the gallon is not such a bad thing to equalize things. Again, if you are the type of guy who is level headed and has a balanced approach to dating this change doesn't affect you much, because you will also go for the types of women that are balanced and have realistic views within their needs. On the same token I TOTALLY get there are a lot of women who have ridiculously elevated expectations. The way I look at life and people is who cares what the majority wants/says as long as I can find the ONE guy who has the same outlooks as myself the majority can stick to themselves, and party on! This attitude has always panned out for me that's why social shifts are not to be taken so to heart. There is always someone who is willing to NOT follow the crowd blindly. Now if you we were to be taken out of life and then teleported back into the future by say 25yrs that could be a much harsher adjustment. But we all live a transition, some are slower than others to latch on to change, just find someone who is at your speed and away you go. So when you were 25, you could not put a sentence together, or offer any emotional appeal? Very odd.. But now at 35 you are the better catch, than at 25? When I was 25 I had personal goals, I was educated, worldly and already had a lot of experineces that would mold me into the woman I have become both on an intellectual level and social level. I never relied on my looks alone to get me through life though I will grant you that as a woman if you have average to good looks you can ride that out NO PROBLEM. At 25 I didn't even want to be in relationship I just wanted to have fun and could CARE LESS how much a man could offer me on a financial scope my goal was to have fun with sexy, intellectually appealing and interesting fun guys. Not that different than my expectations today really but I can now add to that the social/financial aspect because that is a reality of where I am headed today. A long term goal not just fun and who cares, it is more about planning a good stable future. But I have NEVER settled for just being accepted in the looks department, and hoping that a man will pay my way to happiness in life, based on some good tricks I can return in the bedroom, where as some women do. I never said I was a better catch now, I said even at 25 I was different at than those women that only focus on looking good and wanting a man who will afford them all their material needs based solely on their ability to trap a man sexually speaking. That was the comparison. The types of women that are 25 and have nothing but a good body and a nice face, an empty noodle, and flakey heart with no other aspirations in life are only looking for a meal ticket and there are plenty of men in their 30's and up who will settle for that, to them that's enough. I've always demanded a LOT more out of myself than some women who at a very young age knew that all they have to do is put out their "panty fly trap" and catch all the "flies" they need. To each their own, but don't tell women that don't fit that bill that THEY are the golddiggers with unrealistic expecations that is hardly realistic or fair. Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 Step 1: Women are shown photos of men and asked to rate their looks. Step 2: Women are asked to do the same task as step 1, but now they 'know' the income, height, weight, career and so on of the men. Expected: Results from step 2 would closely correlate with results from step 1. Actual: Results from step 2 correlated with income more than any other variable. Result: Dozens of women on LS get in a hissy fit and call men who find this reasonable and interesting misogynists. Hilarity ensues. Link to post Share on other sites
burning 4 revenge Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Whats scary is that I think in the near future it will be the norm for women to be older than their partners by as much as a decade. I see that wind blowing this way unless we find some way to stop them Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom 35 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Oh wow, this is some majorly new information. What are we going to do with this?? This is the dawn of a new day. Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 Oh wow, this is some majorly new information. What are we going to do with this?? This is the dawn of a new day. I thought it was pretty obvious just by looking at what cars the hot women are driving, but apparently the facts are very much in dispute despite your lack of surprise. Link to post Share on other sites
burning 4 revenge Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I thought it was pretty obvious just by looking at what cars the hot women are driving, but apparently the facts are very much in dispute despite your lack of surprise. I dont think its that obvious Fifteen years ago, yeah, probably, but look at the personals lately and youll see women want height, looks and youth more than money Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 When I was 25 I had personal goals ... that would mold me into the woman I have become both on an intellectual level and social level. .... The types of women that are 25 and have nothing but a good body and a nice face, an empty noodle, and flakey heart. Oh great, so now a pretty young woman who aspires to have a traditional life with the man she loves is stupid and without moral fiber? She is inferior to you socially and emotionally? Nice. .... look at the personals lately and youll see women want height, looks and youth more than money What they say = A, what they do = B. B != A. Link to post Share on other sites
burning 4 revenge Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Are you a well off guy trying to convince himself this is true? I'm telling you women are as sexually in tune with themselves (if not more so) than men these days and theyre going to throw us over for younger guys. Its happening all over the West and I don't like it, but I have to deal with it Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom 35 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 What some of you seem to be forgetting is that people are HUMANS and not DATA from a survey. I've dated rich guys, I've dated poor guys. I've dated young guys, I've dated old guys. It's all about the connection. But you actually have to get out there and meet people in order for that to happen. Sitting at home and looking up surveys to support your theories will not help you find the person who is the right match for you, whomever that person may end up to be. Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat33 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Oh great, so now a pretty young woman who aspires to have a traditional life with the man she loves is stupid and without moral fiber? She is inferior to you socially and emotionally? Nice. Did I say that? No I didn't. I have no problem with a woman wanting a traditional life with a man but it doesn't have to be while she is 22 and with a man twice her senior and without anything more to bring to the table than a good body and cleaning abilities. A 22 yr old woman who's only aspiration is to stay home to fluff cushions, dust furniture, cook and be on her back in a French maid's costume all day every day, in exchange for a house a car and a credit card for a hefty shopping spree sooner or later figures out she is leading a very ONE DIMENSIONAL existence. Sooner or later she will feel like her personal ambitions and fulfillments are not being met and feel a general sense of stunted growth. That is what is so intrinsically wrong with the 22 yr old babe going for a cushy material life with the 40yr old dude. there is no sense of self for woman who chooses this at such a young age, she has deprived herself of many many experiences that make a person who they are. The kinds of things that make a person interesting and multifaceted In a woman's life there is so much for us to accomplish in order to feel like a complete contributing member of society, than catering our every fiber to a man and his personal needs. This may work in a fantasy scenario where the woman looks like a Barbie doll and is there to submit to a man's every need and fantasy but in reality it takes a very empty person to want this for themselves and only that. You can have balance and add components of all those things to a normal day to day life NEXT to a man while you have your own personal ambitions and goals in life, and in turn have a man that doesn't need you to depend on him 100% in order to feel like he is a competent contributing partner. Or in order to feel like he is being respected for the great man he is. What I am describing is balance, and yes any woman who is willing to give up that balance for material things IS stupid in my opinion because sooner or later she will feel this great sense of emptiness in her life and will have no sense of who she really is. Picture being 21 as a man and having met a woman that supported you and deprived you of every experience in life in order to keep you at home to cook clean and take care if her sexual needs, is that really your idea of fulfillment? yeah sure that could appeal to you for a while maybe, but imagine a lifetime of that? Who in their right mind in this day in age with all the amazing influences we have around us and potential to be whom ever we want to be, can aspire to be that and only that? I have no problem with giving up a career or job to focus on that in a period of your life to bring up a family and to focus on that. But to have THAT as your only aspiration in life is too simple minded for me. And some women want to meet a rich dude so they could eat bonbons all day and have some other paid women come in and do all the jobs they don't want to do, so again, what is their existence about. You might as well be a prostitute at least you get the variety factor and you don't have to put out for the same guy for the rest of your life. I dunno about you but when I look back on my death bed of all the things I did in life I want to have fonder memories than "I cooked good meals, gave great head and organized the spice counter neater than a choreographed ballet act" Link to post Share on other sites
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Trialbyfire Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 sumdude, this is a typical divisionary thread where things get heated and people take extreme positions to offset the other gender. Link to post Share on other sites
burning 4 revenge Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 sumdude, this is a typical divisionary thread where things get heated and people take extreme positions to offset the other gender. Women are much more cold and shallow than men if you really analyze their true nature. Its something chemical, I think it originates in the vulva Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Women are much more cold and shallow than men if you really analyze their true nature. Its something chemical, I think it originates in the vulva If you're saying we think in rational ways with our big brain, you would be right. Link to post Share on other sites
Author clv0116 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 ... it doesn't have to be ... without anything more to bring to the table than a good body and cleaning abilities. A 22 yr old woman who's ... [a fulltime homemaker] ... sooner or later figures out ... personal ambitions and fulfillments are not being met and feel a general sense of stunted growth. .... she has deprived herself of .... things that make a person interesting and multifaceted If I were a full time home maker a comment like that would make me livid. Link to post Share on other sites
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