Ephedrine

[blondesmiler]

Who knows what about it? Used it? Find it works for them?

 

I use it as appetite suppressant, works well just curious whether anyone has used it and what they think. And any long term known effects?

[D-Lish]

Like blood clots and strokes?

Did you research it?

[D-Lish]

Cardiovascular side effects

 

Cardiovascular side effects associated with large doses of ephedrine have included tachycardia and palpitation. Precordial pain and arrhythmias have been reported following administration of ephedrine injection. Hypertension, stroke, and myocardial infarction have also been reported.

[blondesmiler]

Its only a small does, I take one 25mg a day, occassinally half later in the day. It also helps with my sinus/nasal problems.

[Els]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine[url=http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR602187][/url]

 

and

 

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR602187

 

Note that appetite suppressants such as ephedrine are only indicated for SHORT TERM use. Because they cause dependence (like illicit drugs) and tolerance (you'll need higher and higher doses to produce the same effect...). So if you're just taking them because you feel you need to be slimmer and not to manage obesity, you should think twice about WHY you feel you need to do so.

[Geishawhelk]

Ever thought it might be affecting your stress levels......?

[blondesmiler]

Ever thought it might be affecting your stress levels......?

 

Oh lord no, I've only been taking them for 3days usually a week maximum then go off them for month or two.

 

I've been struggling with stress for along long time, like years.

 

Only been using the tablets since Oct last year.

[sb129]

I used to use ephedrine when I lived in the UK and while it helped me lose weight, definitely, it wasn't good for stress levels at all.

I was snappy, irritable, and I found it hard to sleep.

 

Its basically speed, and the long term effects of using it are very scary.

 

Slimming products containing ephedrine are illegal (or prescription only) here in NZ as there is a very bad meth problem.

[clv0116]

It can help me feel motivated to hit the gym on 'down' days but I'd never consider daily use.

[sb129]

Its only a small does, I take one 25mg a day, occassinally half later in the day. It also helps with my sinus/nasal problems.

 

 

The reason for that is it dries up nasal and oral seceretions.

 

Not that good for you in the long run, esp your mouth as your teeth are more prone to decay if your mouth is dry.

Google "meth mouth"....

[blondesmiler]

Ooh I will google, thanks. Thankfully I am not into using it for the long run, just short term very short term and in very small doses aswell.

[sb129]

Best intentions- it is addictive, so even short term use can be dangerous.

[blondesmiler]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth_mouth

 

Ok well I don't drink sugary drinks, I do get plenty of fluids, I have excellent dental hygenie and I don't grind my teeth.

 

I think Meth is made up of alot of crap with only some epherdrine so perhaps is those dodgy chemicals that make it very bad, rather than just bad.

[ruggy]

When I was playing football in college, we all used the STAC method. Worked well for a while many moons ago.

[Trimmer]

Ooh I will google, thanks. Thankfully I am not into using it for the long run, just short term very short term and in very small doses aswell.

What benefit are you getting from it by using very small doses in a very short term regimen?

[blondesmiler]

What benefit are you getting from it by using very small doses in a very short term regimen?

 

Suppressed appetite and clearer nasel passages

[Trimmer]

What benefit are you getting from it by using very small doses in a very short term regimen?

 

Suppressed appetite and clearer nasel passages

And I'm not trying to be disingenuous here, but what does suppressing your appetite for a very short term regimen accomplish?

[blondesmiler]

And I'm not trying to be disingenuous here, but what does suppressing your appetite for a very short term regimen accomplish?

 

I understand what you mean, basically I live alone and have been single for along time. I am not obese or overweight just want to drop a few pounds. But I comfort eat, eat when am lonely, basically use it as a substitute boyfriend.

 

What I am trying to do, without having the side effect of feeling deprived and hungry, is retrain myself and rebuild some healthy "habits" so filling up on lots of vegatables with my dinner. It takes about four weeks to make something a habit.

 

And am also exercising aswell which again is another healthy habit.

[anne1707]

How about just making sure you have healthy food to snack on instead. If you are living on your own, then you have complete control over what is on your fridge. Sure some carrots to nibble on isn't always going to be top of the list against a chocolate digestive but it has got to be above taking drugs.

[MichaelKEH]

Ephedrine is a PNS (periferial nervious system) excitor that produces much of its effects along the adrenal pathway; it is commonly used as a nasal decongestant as it causes blood vessels to contract which limits blood flow to the nose and prevents mucus from forming. As for the above post about dry mouth that was incorrect.

 

Ephedrine is not addictive but physical depandance can result from its long term use, people who use it to lose weight generally will experiance a crash lasting about 2 weeks after cessation of taking it. Obviously if you take Ephedrine for a long enough time your adrenal pathways might become permanently suppressed: similar to what happens when people take anabolic steroids for long periods of time (permanently supressed testosterone levels) or thyroid hormones for weight loss (permanently supressed thyroid levels)... but as Ephedrine is not actually a long-term hormone recognized by your bodythe risks of this are far less severe.

 

The difference between meth and ephedrine is a hydroxyl group on the long carbon tail chain, when removed from the chain ephedrine can pass into the brain though the blood brain barrior and causes central nervious system (CNS) excitment: speeding you up mentally and giving you a high. While the PNS is designed to be excited and to work with chemicals and hormones the CNS is not -so speeding it up causes serious damage such as demyelination or dendrite retraction.

 

However this is not a risk for ephedrine as like i said, the hydroxyl group makes the molecule unable to pass the blood brain barrier.

 

As for ephedrine and weight loss, the most effective combination is ephedrine and caffiene (usually with Aspirin. Although effectiveness of adding aspirin is disputed by many; none-the-less it is still a very common practice among body builders) which is usually taken in a 1:10 ratio, such as 18mg ephedrine 200mg caffiene 325mg aspiring taken 3x a day.

 

When hydroxycut first came out in the early 2000's this was its original formula: it is also VERY effective. Hydroxylcut was the most effective weight loss product to ever hit the market and revolutionized the diet industry.... however back in 2004 the vast majority of the world banned its sale (in the USA because it has ephedrine in it, which is a precursor to meth) and in my home country of Canada because it seriously increases the risk of heart attack and stroke.

 

As the final point of this post: both ephedrine and caffiene are stimulents that speed up metabolic rate, heart rate, and increase blood pressure. They have a synergetic effect when taken together that although increases weight loss dramatically also increases the risk of cardiovascular related dealth dramatically (especially because people wanting loose weight perform cardiovascular fitness tasks such as running -further increasing there heart rate) as to your earlier post: taking 24mg of ephedrine over the course of the day is not dangerious (even if you drink coffee), it is in fact the normal dosage of somone with a cold to be used as an effective nasal decongestant... Although i would not recomend taking it for months on end.

 

If it truely helps you control your appetite at such a low dosage I dont beleive there is any reason for you not to take it for a couple of weeks for that purpose. I have done a "ECA" stack as a bodybuilder before and know quite a bit about it: like i said typical dosage is 18 - 24mg three times a day, which yes: definately is effective, and definately is dangerious for your health.

[blondesmiler]

Ephedrine is a PNS (periferial nervious system) excitor that produces much of its effects along the adrenal pathway; it is commonly used as a nasal decongestant as it causes blood vessels to contract which limits blood flow to the nose and prevents mucus from forming. As for the above post about dry mouth that was incorrect.

 

Ephedrine is not addictive but physical depandance can result from its long term use, people who use it to lose weight generally will experiance a crash lasting about 2 weeks after cessation of taking it. Obviously if you take Ephedrine for a long enough time your adrenal pathways might become permanently suppressed: similar to what happens when people take anabolic steroids for long periods of time (permanently supressed testosterone levels) or thyroid hormones for weight loss (permanently supressed thyroid levels)... but as Ephedrine is not actually a long-term hormone recognized by your bodythe risks of this are far less severe.

 

The difference between meth and ephedrine is a hydroxyl group on the long carbon tail chain, when removed from the chain ephedrine can pass into the brain though the blood brain barrior and causes central nervious system (CNS) excitment: speeding you up mentally and giving you a high. While the PNS is designed to be excited and to work with chemicals and hormones the CNS is not -so speeding it up causes serious damage such as demyelination or dendrite retraction.

 

However this is not a risk for ephedrine as like i said, the hydroxyl group makes the molecule unable to pass the blood brain barrier.

 

As for ephedrine and weight loss, the most effective combination is ephedrine and caffiene (usually with Aspirin. Although effectiveness of adding aspirin is disputed by many; none-the-less it is still a very common practice among body builders) which is usually taken in a 1:10 ratio, such as 18mg ephedrine 200mg caffiene 325mg aspiring taken 3x a day.

 

When hydroxycut first came out in the early 2000's this was its original formula: it is also VERY effective. Hydroxylcut was the most effective weight loss product to ever hit the market and revolutionized the diet industry.... however back in 2004 the vast majority of the world banned its sale (in the USA because it has ephedrine in it, which is a precursor to meth) and in my home country of Canada because it seriously increases the risk of heart attack and stroke.

 

As the final point of this post: both ephedrine and caffiene are stimulents that speed up metabolic rate, heart rate, and increase blood pressure. They have a synergetic effect when taken together that although increases weight loss dramatically also increases the risk of cardiovascular related dealth dramatically (especially because people wanting loose weight perform cardiovascular fitness tasks such as running -further increasing there heart rate) as to your earlier post: taking 24mg of ephedrine over the course of the day is not dangerious (even if you drink coffee), it is in fact the normal dosage of somone with a cold to be used as an effective nasal decongestant... Although i would not recomend taking it for months on end.

 

If it truely helps you control your appetite at such a low dosage I dont beleive there is any reason for you not to take it for a couple of weeks for that purpose. I have done a "ECA" stack as a bodybuilder before and know quite a bit about it: like i said typical dosage is 18 - 24mg three times a day, which yes: definately is effective, and definately is dangerious for your health.

 

 

Hey thanks for the above, had a good read. I have stopped taking it for the next few weeks, shame my sinuses are now blocked up again though! I was just taking 25mg once a day, which seemed to help but without being excessive as I was sensible enough to want to keep the risks to a minimum.

[MichaelKEH]

Well your welcome! i hope it was informative for you. If you are having consistant problems with your sinuses you might have allergies eh? 24mg once a day shouldnt be a problem for you -although that is more than a typical dose so you might want to check your blood pressure afterwards just to know; you also might not want to drink too much coffee at the same time.

 

Realistically though the chances of you having a heart attack or any sort of complications are really low, you still find ephedrine in the vast majority of cold medicine (or psuedoehpedrine, which is the same molecule but the hydroxyl group is flipped over to the bottom of the chain: making it less active in your body -so instead you just take 300mg of it) and nasal decongestants: i believe that the vast majority of people whom have had serious complications where taking ridiculious ammounts in a foolish attempt to lose weight fast and probably never even realized the danger.... which is why the sale of ephedrine for the purposes of weight loss (or when bundled with caffene) has been banned.

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One thing you might want to keep in mind is that when you restrict caloric intake ('diet') in order to loose weight you will loose muscle mass, such is a fact of life and if you want me to post a whole thread on excercise and body building physiology i can do that for ya;). You will typically loose more fat than muscle, but you will still loose muscle as well every time you diet.

 

Less muscle means that your basal (resting) metabolic weight will be lower as muscle is very metabolically active tissue; which means that over repeated dieting not only do you become "weak as a girl" you also start to gain back weight much easier: because your metabolism is much lower.

 

To counter act this Women really should do some sort of physical activity; not just when there dieting either. If you want a good whole body work out stronglifts 5x5 is excellant, easy to follow, and will only take you an hour a day 3x a week. You will be able to build and maintain a nice muscle base, abdominal base, and general strength and tone -and its not very hard.

 

Obviously for guys like me that are bulking and always getting stronger and bigger -its hard because i have to push myself hard. But as a woman you dont want to be big and bulky anyway -so your training can be more relaxed; but within a couple months you should be able to bench press 85lbs overhead 55lb and squat your own body weight. And you can probably just keep and maintain from there -unless you want a little more strength and muscle; you can look in the mirror and decide for youself.