Handsome men = a rarity

[Storyrider]

True, I think many women look for this. Their definition of attractiveness tends to be more subjective and impressionistic, intertwining looks and personality. Men view looks in a more simplistic, objective sense. While each guy may have a different ideal woman, he'll find a girl acceptable if she's considered hot by society's standards. Blandness or lack there of isn't a factor.

This is going to sound horribly sexist, but I think many attractive women become less attractive once you get past their looks to their personalities, while many unremarkable men become more attractive once you get to know them.

[Citizen Erased]

Yea he may be a little old to be attractive to the 20 somethings

 

Yeah I don't think that's it. He's insane. True blue, honest to God stab you when you're asleep insane.

[lord alfred douglas]

This is going to sound horribly sexist, but I think many attractive women become less attractive once you get past their looks to their personalities, while many unremarkable men become more attractive once you get to know them.

I agree

 

I do find woman more boring than men personality-wise as a rule. It has something to do with their biological nature...you know..just a hole that needs filling basically

 

But on the other hand Im constantly surprised by women precisely because I have such a low opinion of them

[Isolde]

This is going to sound horribly sexist, but I think many attractive women become less attractive once you get past their looks to their personalities, while many unremarkable men become more attractive once you get to know them.

 

It's not sexist because it goes both ways.

 

I agree though that looking interesting/strikingly attractive and BEING interesting/deep are two entirely different things.

 

One of my strongest crushes was on a guy who did not exude an air of being interesting at first glance.

[kashmir]

True, I think many women look for this. Their definition of attractiveness tends to be more subjective and impressionistic, intertwining looks and personality. Men view looks in a more simplistic, objective sense. While each guy may have a different ideal woman, he'll find a girl acceptable if she's considered hot by society's standards. Blandness or lack there of isn't a factor.

 

I think it's just that men aren't too picky. If they look at a woman and are turned on even a bit they'll probably give her a shot. Women, on the other hand, will turn down a guy solely for something like not having blue eyes, not being over 6' 3", or having too big if a nose. Men see women as a whole. We don't pick and analyze every little characteristic of them. Women do. Men gauging a woman's attractiveness is like a pass-fail all-or-nothing test. Women gauging a man's attractiveness is a careful and very thorough test where the man must pass every individual section or else he fails.

[Saint Valentine]

I agree

That it sounds horribly sexist, or that attractive women are vacuous bimbos?

[shadowplay]

I think it's just that men aren't too picky. If they look at a woman and are turned on even a bit they'll probably give her a shot. Women, on the other hand, will turn down a guy solely for something like not having blue eyes, not being over 6' 3", or having too big if a nose. Men see women as a whole. We don't pick and analyze every little characteristic of them. Women do. Men gauging a woman's attractiveness is like a pass-fail all-or-nothing test. Women gauging a man's attractiveness is a careful and very thorough test where the man must pass every individual section or else he fails.

 

You're wrong there. Women see men as a whole too, at least I do. Either a guy turns me on or doesn't. It's as simple as that.

[Isolde]

I think it's just that men aren't too picky. If they look at a woman and are turned on even a bit they'll probably give her a shot. Women, on the other hand, will turn down a guy solely for something like not having blue eyes, not being over 6' 3", or having too big if a nose. Men see women as a whole. We don't pick and analyze every little characteristic of them. Women do. Men gauging a woman's attractiveness is like a pass-fail all-or-nothing test. Women gauging a man's attractiveness is a careful and very thorough test where the man must pass every individual section or else he fails.

 

That's not true. Women are more likely to fail a man because he is TOO good looking than because he's not good looking enough. Women are picky on personality or the aura the man exudes.

[Tomcat33]

My mother had an aunt that was into that stuff, although my mother and the rest of the family is in denial

 

Santeria or Illuminati?

 

You actually have to have real power and influence, before being allowed into the ranks of the illuminati!

 

Tom's a good candidate, no? Look how much influence he had after the Brooke post partum depression incident.

[lord alfred douglas]

That it sounds horribly sexist, or that attractive women are vacuous bimbos?

the latter

[39388]

I think that's because the standards for a woman to be attractive are much lower than the standards for a man. A man can go out and probably find one out of every 3 women he sees attractive (depending where he is). Women are much more picky. Just look at that thread a few days ago about the things women find physically attractive in men and what is a "must." Very rarely do guys meet that criteria.

This is almost good. I'm a 1/10 or maybe a 3/10 on a good day. If a 6/10 is also not good enough for many women my other qualities may mean more in competing with the 6/10. It is a competition after all.

[Lizzie60]

I think it's just that men aren't too picky. If they look at a woman and are turned on even a bit they'll probably give her a shot. Women, on the other hand, will turn down a guy solely for something like not having blue eyes, not being over 6' 3", or having too big if a nose. Men see women as a whole. We don't pick and analyze every little characteristic of them. Women do. Men gauging a woman's attractiveness is like a pass-fail all-or-nothing test. Women gauging a man's attractiveness is a careful and very thorough test where the man must pass every individual section or else he fails.

 

 

I completely agree with you..

[citizen67]

Let me put it this way.

 

I think stunningly pretty women (10/10) are pretty rare--but fairly attractive women (8/10) are very common.

 

I think stunningly handsome men (10/10) are EXTREMELY rare--and even fairly attractive men (8/10) are still rare and coveted by large numbers of women.

 

I'm sorry I made such a shallow post, but I think I might be onto something interesting here.

 

Women are entitled to be shallow once in a while. I totally notice a lack of handsome men. There's a real surplus of short men too. I wish Clive Owne was my BF

[Trialbyfire]

Tom's a good candidate, no? Look how much influence he had after the Brooke post partum depression incident.

I suspect Tom wishes he was a good candidate. He can believe in personal power but can't make it honestly happen, at least in the world of real power where business and finance reside.

[shadowplay]

Yeah, I think if a girl has a "deep", seductive, alluring thing going on, that's seen more as icing on the cake for a man.

 

As an example, today I was reading about George Harrison's ex-wife Patti Boyd, a woman who was a muse for several rock stars in the sixties. Eric Clapton, George Harrison's once best friend, became so obsessed with Patti that he wooed her for years and finally broke up his friend's marriage. Also Mick Jagger was apparently infatuated with her.

 

When I looked up her picture I was a bit surprised. She's beautiful, but in an entirely trite way if that makes any sense. You'd expect some forceful beauty.

[Storyrider]

As an example, today I was reading about George Harrison's ex-wife Patti Boyd, a woman who was a muse for several rock stars in the sixties. Eric Clapton, George Harrison's once best friend, became so obsessed with Patti that he wooed her for years and finally broke up his friend's marriage. Also Mick Jagger was apparently infatuated with her.

 

When I looked up her picture I was a bit surprised. She's beautiful, but in an entirely trite way if that makes any sense. You'd expect some forceful beauty.

In some pictures she looks amazing, in others not so much.

[Isolde]

As an example, today I was reading about George Harrison's ex-wife Patti Boyd, a woman who was a muse for several rock stars in the sixties. Eric Clapton, George Harrison's once best friend, became so obsessed with Patti that he wooed her for years and finally broke up his friend's marriage. Also Mick Jagger was apparently infatuated with her.

 

When I looked up her picture I was a bit surprised. She's beautiful, but in an entirely trite way if that makes any sense. You'd expect some forceful beauty.

 

Gotcha.

Another good example -- Princess Diana. She wasn't a conventional beauty but she had FORCE. And she was not desired all that much by men.

[kashmir]

This is almost good. I'm a 1/10 or maybe a 3/10 on a good day. If a 6/10 is also not good enough for many women my other qualities may mean more in competing with the 6/10. It is a competition after all.

 

Just look at the last few pages - these women saying that not even Tom Cruise is good enough for them. I agree with Carhill that if he really met them and hit on them they would totally fall for them, but it makes it that much harder for below-average to average looking guys like me who are also shy to expect any woman to even accept a first date. If they theoretically wouldn't sleep with Tom Cruise, how can I expect them to sleep with or date me?

[shadowplay]

Just look at the last few pages - these women saying that not even Tom Cruise is good enough for them. I agree with Carhill that if he really met them and hit on them they would totally fall for them, but it makes it that much harder for below-average to average looking guys like me who are also shy to expect any woman to even accept a first date. If they theoretically wouldn't sleep with Tom Cruise, how can I expect them to sleep with or date me?

 

I don't think you get it. A lot of women, including myself, would prefer a guy who is less conventionally attractive than Tom but has some other quality or aura that makes him more attractive overall.

[Isolde]

Just look at the last few pages - these women saying that not even Tom Cruise is good enough for them. I agree with Carhill that if he really met them and hit on them they would totally fall for them, but it makes it that much harder for below-average to average looking guys like me who are also shy to expect any woman to even accept a first date. If they theoretically wouldn't sleep with Tom Cruise, how can I expect them to sleep with or date me?

 

Kashmir, I almost spat out my Coke.

Tom Cruise is a douche. It's that simple.

If he were a nice fellow student or neighbor, I'd date him.

[Trialbyfire]

Just look at the last few pages - these women saying that not even Tom Cruise is good enough for them. I agree with Carhill that if he really met them and hit on them they would totally fall for them, but it makes it that much harder for below-average to average looking guys like me who are also shy to expect any woman to even accept a first date. If they theoretically wouldn't sleep with Tom Cruise, how can I expect them to sleep with or date me?

kashmir, while there are women who would, a lot of women won't date a man who's cuckoo for cocoa puffs like Tom Cruise!

[lord alfred douglas]

kashmir, while there are women who would, a lot of women won't date a man who's cuckoo for cocoa puffs like Tom Cruise!

do you really think all men under 5'11 should become gay or were you just kidding?

[Saint Valentine]

I do find woman more boring than men personality-wise as a rule. It has something to do with their biological nature...you know..just a hole that needs filling basically

 

But on the other hand Im constantly surprised by women precisely because I have such a low opinion of them

If one looks back into history, one could be excused for thinking that women were mere observers. Whilst it's true that every great man had a mother, that seems to be the full extent of their involvement.

 

Biology makes women indispensable, and they continue to exploit their luck to the fullest. Then again, maybe childbirth is enough punishment for sitting on their arses while men write humanity's next chapter.

[shadowplay]

if one looks back into history, one could be excused for thinking that women were mere observers. Whilst it's true that every great man had a mother, that seems to be the full extent of their involvement.

 

Biology makes women indispensable, and they continue to exploit their luck to the fullest. Then again, maybe childbirth is enough punishment for sitting on their arses while men write humanity's next chapter.

 

wtf................................

[Trialbyfire]

do you really think all men under 5'11 should become gay or were you just kidding?

If I recall correctly, Cruise isn't that short, something like 5'7", although the media likes to joke about him being 5'4".