A religion that lets you do whatever you want

[chris250]

I will most assuredly find true peace & happiness someday. It's not a hope. It's a guarantee. My happiness will come 1 second after I die. Everybody will experience eternal joy & peace with God someday.

 

In the meantime I run the risk of being taken to court for preaching the gospel of grace & peace & universal salvation through Jesus Christ.

 

Praise God I'll preach to the judge & bailiffs and other police officers in the courtroom! I get to tell them that they too are going to heaven in spite of the fact that they have wrongly incarcerated me. Why not? If I'm going to jail then I might as well go out with a bang during my trial right?

 

LS is like a judge and jury courtroom only worse.

[knaveman]

I'm sorry you think you have to die to find true peace and happiness. It's too bad you can't find it in the here and now. namaste.

[knaveman]

Do you really think you need an enemy to live? Do you just need someone to hate to justify your life? Does having someone oppose you make you feel alive? Can't you just live? angry face ---><--- chris250 gets these until he lightens up from time to time.

[disgracian]

This is a free country. If I want to get in people's faces on the streets I have every right to do that!

And they have every right to punch you in the mouth.

You and nobody else is going to stop me from carrying out my mission of giving others a hard time if that's what I want to do.

What twisted gratification do you get from this kind of unproductive and anti-social behaviour? Even though deep down I know you are here only to troll (and I'm violating my own rule by feeding you), I can't help but want to hear what your answer is.

 

I know you think you can because there are no consequences so you are doing whatever you feel like, but my question goes to why you think this is a worthwhile use of your time.

 

Cheers,

D.

[Eve]

but my question goes to why you think this is a worthwhile use of your time.

 

... because the internet is his only outlet and he knows this.

 

This is because he cannot hold a conversation based on his theories in real life. I think he suffers from a form of depression fueled by chronic anger issues but really at the core, he is engaging in a form of self harm. He has a pattern whereby he makes rote statements and the end result is always the same. I would guess that he has severe attachment issues with a parental figure, most likely his mother and has a highly dysfunctional relationship with his siblings. They never listened to him and put all their negative energy onto him. He has now absorbed this pattern and is trying to recreate a different outcome using the same old formula.

 

Eventually I hope he becomes bored by getting the same response but I dont see him changing anytime soon. Its a shame really because he probably had a very valid reason to be angry initially.

 

Sad really..

 

Regards,

Eve xx

[disgracian]

Or it could just be classic attention-seeking behaviour. I used to behave like Chris when I was around 16 and I had no underlying psychological issues. I simply lacked direction and genuine ambition in life, was bored as a result, and attacked others to alleviate my own self-esteem issues. That was about the depth of it, and I'm seeing nothing more than that this time.

 

Cheers,

D.

[quankanne]

steal all the bibles from all the pews in the baptist and catholic churches and burn them!

 

:lmao:

 

you've obviously never have been inside a Catholic church, have you, boy? The only thing you'll find in the pews are books with the verses of approved liturgical music, and missalettes. The Lectionary is at the front, at the altar; there is no "Bible," per se, laying around Catholic churches ...

[Moose]

(Diclaimer, this is based on MY Faith)

 

First from chris;

Your version of christianity's days are numbered buddy!

 

Then from D.;

That's about the only thing you've said that isn't total nonsense. But your part in this is greatly overstated to say the least.

I will publicly, and freely admit that I've learned alot from Disgracian, Geisha, and many others hear in, "our" community.

 

Yes, Christianity REALLYis in crisis. More so than ever, and that's to be expected, in fact, it has even been foretold.

 

Am I worried? Yes, for the UNSAVED.....do I live like today is the last day of the rest of my life with an attitude that I should rob, kill and rape because it's my last day? (Even though I have Christ's Blessed Assurance)

 

No, I don't....all of us are born with an innate sense of wrong and right. Accepting Christ and allowing Him to contol that innate aspect within all of us give us EVIDENCE that is not only abstract, but also tabgible only to those who ACCEPT Him.

 

Our calling is lead others to Him, not give everyone an, "out"....kapeesh?

[disgracian]

Just a little nitpick, but the idea of anything being "tangible" to a select few based on what they believe makes very little sense if not none at all.

 

The definition of the word:

1. capable of being touched; discernible by the touch; material or substantial.
   
2. real or actual, rather than imaginary or visionary: the tangible benefits of sunshine.
   
3. definite; not vague or elusive: no tangible grounds for suspicion.
   
4. (of an asset) having actual physical existence, as real estate or chattels, and therefore capable of being assigned a value in monetary terms.
   

If something is tangible, then it's tangible to everybody. If it's only perceptible to some people and not others based on belief, then it's intangible.

 

Cheers,

D.

[Moose]

Just a little nitpick, but the idea of anything being "tangible" to a select few based on what they believe makes very little sense if not none at all.

 

The definition of the word:

1. capable of being touched; discernible by the touch; material or substantial. (NATURE)
   
2. real or actual, rather than imaginary or visionary: the tangible benefits of sunshine. (Bieng in the BEST evroment for LIFE and explorantion, hence the saying of mine that science is merely the WINDOW to God)
   
3. definite; not vague or elusive: no tangible grounds for suspicion. (Our finite mind cannot understand the infintite)
   
4. (of an asset) having actual physical existence, as real estate or chattels, and therefore capable of being assigned a value in monetary terms.
   

If something is tangible, then it's tangible to everybody. If it's only perceptible to some people and not others based on belief, then it's intangible.

 

Cheers,

D.

Guess you missed this...

all of us are born with an innate sense of wrong and right. Accepting Christ and allowing Him to contol that innate aspect within all of us give us EVIDENCE that is not only abstract, but also tabgible only to those who ACCEPT Him.

IF, you don't have that, then, you have no grounds for your arguement........but that's just my opinion...

 

IF, you consider your own morals, un-tangible or for that matter, "tangible" you have no leg to stand on....

[disgracian]

It's pretty unlikly that I missed that bit given that my response was based on it. By reminding you that a subjective experience is not tangible, I am not saying that it is necessarily wrong (though I do think this to be the case in my spare time), just that you used the wrong word to describe it. It's pretty clear cut from the definition of the word that you misused it. Please don't argue for the sake of it, and instead move on.

 

Cheers,

D.

[Moose]

It's pretty unlikly that I missed that bit given that my response was based on it. By reminding you that a subjective experience is not tangible, I am not saying that it is necessarily wrong (though I do think this to be the case in my spare time), just that you used the wrong word to describe it. It's pretty clear cut from the definition of the word that you misused it. Please don't argue for the sake of it, and instead move on.

 

Cheers,

D.

I see what you mean, even though I'm still in disagreement with your interpretation.

[JamesM]

Anyone who is not a part of organized religion is on the right track as far as I'm concerned.

 

As for me there is no hell, no reincarnation, no purgatory. There is just heaven that waits for us all at the end of this life.

 

 

Okay, based on your logic, everyone is on the right track. And remember, we will all be together in Heaven based on your thinking. So how will it be different than it is now on LS?

 

 

 

This is just total repetition and trolling. What a pointless thread. I hope it gets deleted.

 

Cheers,

D.

 

We agree.

 

Ah! But we still must feed the troll, eh?

 

 

 

I'm just living up my freedom to do whatever the hell I want. That means I don't have to worry about who might be offended either because I'm still going to heaven!

 

I could care less if I get banned! I'm already a member of 12 other internet forums.

 

First off, you already said there is no hell. And again, offending us now and living with us forever...hmmm, logically that doesn't sound so great.

 

Would it be Heaven if we ARE altogether?

 

Anyone can join a forum. It takes intelligence to contribute to them. Good for you.

 

The Lord Jesus Christ promised trials and tribulations in this present world so any true believer in Christ who is looking to be happy here and now is in for a rude shock.

 

 

But God loves even persecutors. They will all be in heaven with us. All the people that murdered Paul and other christians in 1st century are in heaven as we speak.

 

If everyone is going to Heaven, then everyone is a true believer no matter what they believe in. So everyone gets trials and tribulations. And if we are your trial and tribulation, then what are you to US?

 

I highly doubt that the Christians that were persecuted view it as a joy to be in Heaven with those that persecuted them.

 

Thanks for the attempt at intelligent thinking, but when presenting your arguments. please refer back to your other threads to stay consistent.

[Geishawhelk]

This should be a time for people who are of different faiths, but of one mind - ie, that the best thing to do in any 'congregation' of Spiritually-minded people is to lay aside our different credos and agree that the one thing uniting us is a Compassionate Love and a Universal Kindness for one another - to join forces metaphorically speaking, and recognise and identify the rotten apple in the barrel.

 

I have nothing but the utmost respect for JamesM, Moose and others who profess and discuss their faith online.

When such discussions arise, I have had a tendency of late, to maintain my silence, because although I am not a Christian, I am a deep and lifelong admirer of those who adhere to their faiths in the face of an ever-increasingly disdainful world.

I wish nobody malice or disrepespect when I say that I am an ex- Christian, and have now chartered a different course for myself in Buddhism, because

I count JamesM and Moose as good on-line friends, and I will defend to the death their right to follow their beliefs and live by the Word of God.

Our views, opinions and doctrines may differ wildy, but I believe our hearts are connected in respect and affection.

(I may appear presumptuous there.....)

 

I also follow with interest discussions contributed to by Disgracian, because he has subtle and intelligent comments to make, and he does not limit his counter-discussion to attack and insult, as I have seen happen elsewhere, or have seen others do.....

 

So you will all forgive me if I appear to rouynd fiecely on people like Chris250, who basically give a belief in God, and dare I say it, Universalism, a bad name.

if anyone has convinced me utterly and completely that Universalism is a pile of crock, Chris has.

 

But in point of fact, I think his views, understanding and opinion of universalism is so warped and distorted, that I firmly believe any Universalist would hurriedly disassociate themselves from Chris and his warped, distorted, poisonous, malicious, cruel, vindictive and hateful spouted rubbish.

 

I think we should do the same.

A more cretinous individual it would be hard to imagine.

I think he's all mouth and absolutely no substance.

In fact, I think he needs psychiatric help.

[Eve]

Or it could just be classic attention-seeking behaviour. I used to behave like Chris when I was around 16 and I had no underlying psychological issues. I simply lacked direction and genuine ambition in life, was bored as a result, and attacked others to alleviate my own self-esteem issues. That was about the depth of it, and I'm seeing nothing more than that this time.

 

Cheers,

D.

 

Maybe.. I think the point is that we dont know if anything is genuinely up with him and he is misusing the forum to that end..

 

At least ample opportunity has been present for him to open up. LS is pretty good for support!

 

Regards,

Eve xx

[Geishawhelk]

Is he still here?

 

Blimey, I though they'd dragged him off to the funny farm ages ago.

 

No, really, I did.

 

Maybe they let him out on good behaviour....

 

:D

[EnigmasMuse]

Wow attention seeker and bitter to the 10th power. Mixed in with some out of touchness.

[Moose]

I'm just doing my part to speed up the 2nd coming of Christ.

I really don't think He needs YOUR help.....

When He comes back ALL of us are going home NOT just a select few.

You have NOTHING to back this up with. Jesus said; "I am the Way, the Truth, the Life....no man comes to the Father but by ME". In layman's terms, unbelievers will NOT enter into the kingdom.

I can even tell crooked cops that they are going to heaven too.

And just who are you to judge these men's hearts? If you actually CAN, you'd be the first imperfect human to do so....

See you in heaven!

Hmmmm....should be interesting to say the least...

The standards you believe need to be met to go to heaven you don't even meet yourself! That makes you a hypocrite.

Your ignorance in Christianity is proof positive that you haven't a clue about True Faith and Grace. We KNOW we are hypocrites. We KNOW there isn't anything we can or can't do on earth to justify entering the kingdom. This is PRECISELY why Christ paid our sin debt. It doesn't make what we do or who we are perfect on earth....FAR FROM IT.....it DOES mean that when it's time for each of us to approach judgement, Jesus will recognize us as one who He washed our sins away and the Father will ALLOW us to enter......you got a lot of growing up to do son....