Sex and what it means to Men

[Phateless]

THANK YOU for this post!!

[lovestory5]

[FONT=Times New Roman]Make a romantic evening, go to a new place, and use even a car. She doesn’t want sex because everything is the same and it doesn’t excite her. Go to the night club, have a drink and have sex even in the street, in the trees, of course that nobody could see you, she is needed to feel her saved, hidden. [/FONT]

[65tr6]

interesting subject....

 

I know i cannot live without sex...What i am surprised about is that there are so many women who can have higher sex drive than their spouses. Hmm. My wife always had lower sex drive than me. I get fairly tired of asking (make that begging) for sex all the time. Yeah, it is probabaly that emotional connection which we are missing and are working on by the way. (we are recovering from her affair).

 

This is the strange thing. She does not initiate it but she says she does not mind it. And she always likes it. I could never understand that. I mean if you like something I would think you would look forward to it, right ? Or even initiate it. Nope, not her.

 

I know sex for most men, it is a physical need. Even for me too. It was that way until before the affair even though I would have loved to see the emotional connection in there somewhere. After the affair, things changed completely. I still have the physical need but now I KNOW what else is missing. I now know what I did not know before. Make sense ? A perfect physical union would be where both couples initiate sex by taking turns and are both involved emotionally connected. That is how I see it now. Who says men dont bring in the emotional element to bed ?

 

To be fair, my wife never used sex as the weapon. She understood my need for sex and did her best to fulfil it. But she also sees sex no different from emotional connection. To her emotional connection comes first. Sex follows logically after that.

[taylor]

I know i cannot live without sex...What i am surprised about is that there are so many women who can have higher sex drive than their spouses. Hmm. My wife always had lower sex drive than me. I get fairly tired of asking (make that begging) for sex all the time. Yeah, it is probabaly that emotional connection which we are missing and are working on by the way. (we are recovering from her affair).

 

I think men often UNDERESTIMATE their wives' sex drives, because it doesn't just manifest itself out of thin air. They think that because they aren't getting sex from their wives that their wives aren't interested in sex and have no drive. This is wrong thinking. How many men convince themselves that their wives are asexual and are then shocked when they discover their wives in sexual affairs with other men? The sex drive is there. It's just that the right buttons have to be pushed to turn a woman on. Desire is there, locked away in reserve. But you have to use the right key to unlock it.

 

Unfortunately, I also think some women totally lose interest in their husbands and subsequently, lose interest in sex with them. No matter how much the husband tries to unlock the desire, he can't. And he probably never will..because her desire for him is gone...for whatever reason. Perhaps he is no longer sexually appealing. Perhaps she fell out of love.

 

This is the strange thing. She does not initiate it but she says she does not mind it. And she always likes it. I could never understand that. I mean if you like something I would think you would look forward to it, right ? Or even initiate it. Nope, not her.

 

I often wonder about this myself as my husband used to always be the one initiating, even though I thoroughly enjoyed sex once we got going. I think for men the thought of sex is always just below the surface; for women it lies just a little deeper. And for women who do not have sex on a regular basis (their choice) the thought of sex just gets buried deeper and deeper.

 

I think hormones have alot to do with it too. Men have ample amounts of testosterone to keep sex on their minds (and elsewhere) all the time. Women's hormonal levels fluctuate monthly and change throughout their lives. I know I feel more sexually aggressive just before my period so my husband watches the calendar in joyful anticipation.

 

now I KNOW what else is missing. I now know what I did not know before. Make sense ? A perfect physical union would be where both couples initiate sex by taking turns and are both involved emotionally connected. That is how I see it now. Who says men dont bring in the emotional element to bed ?

 

This was so uplifting to read, 65. Sounds like you and your wife are making some great strides in your marital recovery. Good to hear. Reading this reminded me of how couples interact sexually early on in their relationship..the honeymoon phase. Happy honeymooning, 65!

[soon2Bfiling]

How a women feels at the height of climax is how us men feel 24/7 ! lol

[clv0116]

I think men often UNDERESTIMATE their wives' sex drives, because it doesn't just manifest itself out of thin air. They think that because they aren't getting sex from their wives that their wives aren't interested in sex and have no drive.

 

Posts like this have the potential to end engagements. This scenario is the first dance step into most mens worst nightmare; the ending move is loss of 75% of assets and a place to sleep. If a woman isn't sure she can stay attracted to someone she damn well shouldn't say "I do".

[taylor]

Posts like this have the potential to end engagements. This scenario is the first dance step into most mens worst nightmare; the ending move is loss of 75% of assets and a place to sleep. If a woman isn't sure she can stay attracted to someone she damn well shouldn't say "I do".

 

I hear you clv.

 

Marriage is a gamble. No doubt about it.

 

My therapist said that if men and women didn't fall BLINDLY in love, no one would ever marry.

 

Few young couples weigh the risks logically prior to marriage, tho.

 

A young woman passionately in love with her fiance is not going to stop one minute to wonder if 10 or 15 years down the road she is going to lose sexual interest in him.

 

And I doubt young men ponder the notion that 10 or 15 years after marriage they are going to have to be begging for sex from this hottie on their arm.

 

But people change and life evolves. It's all a gamble. But people continue to take that leap of faith and spend tens of thousands of dollars in a wedding ceremony just to take that risk.

[pyroguy]

I repeat:

 

When men don't want to have sex with their wife, the wife blames herself (I'm too fat, too ugly, not adventurous enough, too old, etc.)

 

 

When women don't want to have sex wither their husband, the husband blames the wife (too b--chy, too prudish, too manipulative, too crazy, TOO FLAKY)

 

Men, are your egos really that big that you can't stop to consider for one minute that YOU might be the problem..YOU might be the reason your wife/girlfriend chooses not to have sex with you?

 

 

 

Taylor, This goes both ways, for sure. How many women don't make their man feel wanted and desired? We are always told how women need affection and attention, but when men want this, they are insecure. Men are not allowed to be this way. Society and women say so. Usually, the man is dismissed as being insecure, told it's his problem and to get over it.

 

A woman can talk about the hot young stud, go to male strip clubs, masterbate to other men, or spend the afternoon watching "black guys, white wives 2", and if the man feels the slightest bit less than, he's insecure, and it's all about women's empowerment.

 

To that point, let's examine how society is now. There are plus sized female models...there are no male counterparts. I think I heard that %53 of women didn't want or weren't happy with their current SO. Throw in the rampant cheating, and one can see why some men would feel less than compelled to act all romantic towards their spouse or SO.

 

This is worse for middle aged men in their 40's on. It 's personal for me now that I'm 41. I can still workout 6 days a week, have my hair, still be masculine and rugged, yet society has this bizarre facination of trying to portray these men (wrongly so) as shlubby dads who's only function is to bring home a paycheck. Don't we constantly hear about cougars, and all the women love it. The internet is laden with sites that show wives with other men, often younger guys, while embarassing the husband (true or not). Also, one has only to research Craigslist to see that when women are seeking a sexual encounter, it's really a couple where the wife usually wants a younger, well endowed guy- I guess that's not her husband. Hey, if it works, great for them. But< i can see many men being bothered by this.

 

Isn't all this quite the aphrodisiac for men? men are under enormous pressure today, that was once only claimed by women. They have to worry about looks, money, status, penis size, etc., men all hear the jokes about marrying a rich guy, or the same comments about men that they themselves do not like to hear on a constant basis. Some older men feel like there is nothing to look forward to. They work all day, and the only thing they have to look forward to is their wife and her friends wanting to bang the younger landscaper-what a turn-on and motivator to pay supreme attention to her and be super romantic.

 

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just a bit tired of women wanting all this attention (and rightfully so!) but having no problems not making the man feel desirable. If they all want the hot young guy, fine. If they can't have that attraction to their husband (don't blame them), why marry him? Plenty of women have no problem having that desire for the hot fireman down the street or the hot guy on TV. Those men provide no mental stimulation or attention for her, yet they get her desire. These are all true plenty of times too Taylor-Too often.

 

In the end, this causes men to not show the affection sometimes. Then, women react negatively, and it's a vicious cycle. I think this is what happens to most couples who have this issue.

[65tr6]

Unfortunately, I also think some women totally lose interest in their husbands and subsequently, lose interest in sex with them. No matter how much the husband tries to unlock the desire, he can't. And he probably never will..because her desire for him is gone...for whatever reason. Perhaps he is no longer sexually appealing. Perhaps she fell out of love.!

Or because they believe that they were never in love with their husband to begin with especially during or after an affair, right ?

sometimes i wonder about this about my wife taylor. But I know she is still coming out of the fog.

 

Sounds like you and your wife are making some great strides in your marital recovery.

great strides from the d-day - yes but still a LONG way to go.

[manugeorge]

pyroguy I feel your pain. The reality of life though is that attraction fades with time. We can all remember the initial stages of our relationships when we couldn't keep our hands off each other. My boyfriend swore I was a nymph the way I would attack him all the time but after you get familiar with your mate, that excitement gradually dies down. More so for women than men. If not for testotesrone, most men would not be climbing the walls to get sex from their wives.

 

Once that newness wears off, you do have to work really hard to keep the sexual fire burning. The reason why women seem to want younger, more virile men is the same reason men turn their heads at the blonde walking down the street. It's new and therefore, potentially exciting.

 

A woman that will not have sex with her husband but instead will go seeking out an affair is merely looking for something new, something different. Something unlike what she is use to.

 

I don't blame society, men or women, I blame nature.

[pyroguy]

pyroguy I feel your pain. The reality of life though is that attraction fades with time. We can all remember the initial stages of our relationships when we couldn't keep our hands off each other. My boyfriend swore I was a nymph the way I would attack him all the time but after you get familiar with your mate, that excitement gradually dies down. More so for women than men. If not for testotesrone, most men would not be climbing the walls to get sex from their wives.

 

Once that newness wears off, you do have to work really hard to keep the sexual fire burning. The reason why women seem to want younger, more virile men is the same reason men turn their heads at the blonde walking down the street. It's new and therefore, potentially exciting.

 

A woman that will not have sex with her husband but instead will go seeking out an affair is merely looking for something new, something different. Something unlike what she is use to.

 

I don't blame society, men or women, I blame nature.

 

 

 

Well, I was playing devils advocate to some degree. I'm not really in that situation, but I see it everywhere.

 

Yes, men look at younger women too, no doubt, but notice the popularity of the cougar, and the prevailing infatuation in claiming 40 year old men are not virile. I know, I can see how hot a younger girl is, but I find myself being more sexually attractive to her mom. I guess it's not the same in reverse?

 

And yes, nature is to blame, but the media and society really perpetuate it. In any event, your post only re-affirms that men have no motivation to marry these day-none whatsoever. Maybe there is nobody to blame, but the result is the same. Too bad really.

[taylor]

Pyroguy,

 

I understand what you are saying here and I appreciate the male perspective, especially the emotion that men feel regarding this changing sexual dynamic.

 

But the way I see it, women are not changing the dynamic. Basically, that's all they are doing is joining the dynamic that men have had in place for centuries. If men can do it, so can women now. Women aren't overpowering men. They are just enjoying the same power men have always had. The playing field is just more equalized.

 

How many women don't make their man feel wanted and desired? We are always told how women need affection and attention, but when men want this, they are insecure. Men are not allowed to be this way. Society and women say so. Usually, the man is dismissed as being insecure, told it's his problem and to get over it.

 

How many men don't make their wives feel wanted and desired. We also feel insecure when our men don't give us affection and attention.

I don't see anything wrong with a man asking for affection and attention. It shows they want an emotional connection with us..something alot of us women BEG for from our men.

 

A woman can talk about the hot young stud, go to male strip clubs, masterbate to other men, or spend the afternoon watching "black guys, white wives 2", and if the man feels the slightest bit less than, he's insecure, and it's all about women's empowerment.

 

But you see, now you know exactly how women feel as well when their men talk about a hot blonde, go to female strip clubs, and masterbate to porn. Women feel just as insecure and they have been feeling this way for DECADES, if not centuries. Women are just doing what men have been doing for years. We are all on the same sexual field now.

 

To that point, let's examine how society is now. There are plus sized female models...there are no male counterparts. I think I heard that %53 of women didn't want or weren't happy with their current SO. Throw in the rampant cheating, and one can see why some men would feel less than compelled to act all romantic towards their spouse or SO.

 

Perhaps middle-aged plus sized men need to start their own revolution. The "big is beautiful" and the "age is timeless" campaigns are efforts to counter the ongoing self-image issues larger and older women have had for years in light of society's obsession with thin, young women. Even the youngest of girls..some 6 years old even...are now worried about weight. And women in their mid 20's are already looking in the mirror with fear for those insightly wrinkles.

 

I don't think these self-image issues have quite caught up with men to this full extent. Women are still valued more for beauty than men. I think it will be at least a couple more decades before men face the full extent of how psychologically damaging these value judgements can be on their self-image....as they have been on women's self-images.

 

Certainly you do not see young boys, ages 6 to 8, in the beauty department looking for hair gel. You don't see them combing through magazines looking for the latest fashion trends to look good. BUT YOU DO see young girls this age doing just that. It's a sad statement as to how our society views the value of a woman.

 

Of course, I can see how if self-image is going to effect men, it's going to hit the middle-aged man first and effect him the hardest. Women of all ages have been judged by their weight, age, and beauty. Men are just starting to be judged by these standards..and middle aged men are the first in line for judgement.

 

As far as the increase in cheating, yes, women are cheating now more than ever. But they are still playing catch up with men. Men don't like that women cheat. But men have been doing it again, for centuries. Women are just joining them, that's all. They aren't doing anything that men haven't already been doing for years. Yet women for centuries had been brainwashed to believe they needed to turn a blind eye to their husbands sexual escapades, to pretend they didn't exist, to minimize the behavior, to continue to be loving wives in spite of their husband's cheating. Men will never be forced to turn a blind eye to a woman's indiscretions. Never. And women now I think are less tolerant if their husbands step out. They don't have to take it anymore.

 

This is worse for middle aged men in their 40's on. It 's personal for me now that I'm 41. I can still workout 6 days a week, have my hair, still be masculine and rugged, yet society has this bizarre facination of trying to portray these men (wrongly so) as shlubby dads who's only function is to bring home a paycheck.

 

You are feeling the same thing 41 year old women have felt for decades. You are feeling it because society is now starting to judge the value of men by the same standards women have been judged by for years. It sucks, doesn't it?

 

Middle aged women who spend their lives becoming experts at multi-tasking...raising kids, running a household, keeping everyone in the family healthy and happy, AND bringing home a paycheck as well ALL OF A SUDDEN LOSE THEIR VALUE in the eyes of society and in the eyes of their husband because they put on weight or start getting wrinkles and dry skin. They are termed "frumpy." They've lost their sex appeal, their "hotness" and so they have lost their value, despite all the other attributes they have. They become meaningless in a world that revolves around youth and beauty.

 

Don't we constantly hear about cougars, and all the women love it.

 

This is because women for the first time have a choice to pursue younger men. Prior to this generation, a woman would have been frowned upon if she even considered a relationship with a younger man. Now she can. Why begrudge her? She has been able to widen her pool of prospective mates, just like men have been able to do for centuries.

 

The internet is laden with sites that show wives with other men, often younger guys, while embarassing the husband (true or not). Also, one has only to research Craigslist to see that when women are seeking a sexual encounter, it's really a couple where the wife usually wants a younger, well endowed guy- I guess that's not her husband. Hey, if it works, great for them. But< i can see many men being bothered by this.

 

And don't you think it has bothered women for centuries...their men with younger women, seeking sexual encounters with younger women...with well endowed women? Of course it should bother men to see their women doing the same thing. But did men ever stop to think how bothered their women were to see them doing this? Now you know.

 

Isn't all this quite the aphrodisiac for men? men are under enormous pressure today, that was once only claimed by women. They have to worry about looks, money, status, penis size, etc., men all hear the jokes about marrying a rich guy, or the same comments about men that they themselves do not like to hear on a constant basis. Some older men feel like there is nothing to look forward to. They work all day, and the only thing they have to look forward to is their wife and her friends wanting to bang the younger landscaper-what a turn-on and motivator to pay supreme attention to her and be super romantic.

 

I hate to say it, pyroguy, but welcome to OUR world.

 

It's hard to empathize with any male having to deal with this since women have been having to deal with this for centuries. Men have never been discreet, rather, very blatant in their quest of younger, more beautiful women with little regard to how it made their wives feel.

 

 

 

If they all want the hot young guy, fine. If they can't have that attraction to their husband (don't blame them), why marry him? Plenty of women have no problem having that desire for the hot fireman down the street or the hot guy on TV. Those men provide no mental stimulation or attention for her, yet they get her desire. These are all true plenty of times too

 

You can easily reverse this and ask, Why marry your wife when you know down the road she is going to get old and her beauty is going to fade and then you are going to want a hot, young girl....that bikini babe on the beach who provides you with no mental stimulation or attention for you, yet one that you will desire.

 

Yes, it truly does go both ways, pyroguy.

[Woggle]

So taylor since it is okay for women to cheat since men have always done it is it okay for men then to become golddiggers? If it is all about beating them at their own game then can a man like KFed then be considered a hero for man's rights? This is what I mean when I say feminists don't want equality but instead of men begging for mercy I say we be the neanderthals they think we are.

[carhill]

I will opine it is interesting that *some* women revel in becoming the very reality which they have long despised in men. Of course, in that journey, they trample the evolved men who never thought the historical ways were the proper or evolved ones. I guess I should just be glad they've moved on, like a swarm of locusts to the next wheat field

[Woggle]

The so called evolved men always get a rude awakening when they see that the feminists don't make an exception for them. I hate to tell them but handing over your balls to a woman does not get you a one of the good ones pass.

[taylor]

So taylor since it is okay for women to cheat since men have always done it is it okay for men then to become golddiggers? If it is all about beating them at their own game then can a man like KFed then be considered a hero for man's rights? This is what I mean when I say feminists don't want equality but instead of men begging for mercy I say we be the neanderthals they think we are.

 

Woggle,

 

I don't think it is OK for men or women to cheat.

 

But I don't think there should be a double standard regarding it, ie, OK for men to cheat but not OK for women...or it's more unforgiveable or unacceptable if a woman cheats than if a man cheats.

 

Why are men more outraged if a woman cheats than if their best friend cheats? Why do men look down on cheating women (sk---s, wh----s, slu--s) more than they do cheating men (Gosh, what derogatory names do men call another man that cheats?) See what I mean?

 

There are men and women that are going to cheat. Ones cheating is no more immoral or acceptable than the other.

 

OK, I'm missing something here. Who is KFed?

 

I think that as older women date and marry younger men, the number of male golddiggers will increase. It is an inevitable part of the sexual dynamic. Women will have to deal with the issues of golddigging males just as men have dealt with the issues of golddigging females. It's the price they are willing to pay to have a youthful hottie on their arm. Maybe they can pick up some pointers from all the experienced 40 and 50 yo males chasing 18 year olds girls under the delusion that the girl isn't just after his money.

[carhill]

They (the feminists and whatever other jungle women are contained under that umbrella) have their path and I have mine. I assign the appropriate importance to their existence and move on. Polite indifference is not oppression. Win-win

[Woggle]

I don't see anybody praising cheating men. They get villianized and treated like trash in family court while women are either victims or according to you liberated feminists. I have never in my life cheated on a woman but I have been cheated on plenty of times. I am becoming more tolerant of men who cheat becuase if women are going to celebrate it as a form of feminism why shouldn't men be the jerks women think we are.

 

KFed is Britney Spears ex husband and everybody comes down on him for being a golddigger. If you ask me it is only right that he gets the children and alimoney.

[taylor]

Yes, men look at younger women too, no doubt, but notice the popularity of the cougar, and the prevailing infatuation in claiming 40 year old men are not virile. I know, I can see how hot a younger girl is, but I find myself being more sexually attractive to her mom. I guess it's not the same in reverse?

 

men have no motivation to marry these day-none whatsoever. Maybe there is nobody to blame, but the result is the same. Too bad really.

 

Pyro, what motivation have women had to get married in the last century, knowing that men are more attracted to younger women and that one day, after their beauty fades, their husband may very well seek out a sexually more attractive woman?

 

You say you find yourself becoming more attracted to the young hottie's mother. Yet there are plenty of middle aged men out there who continue to be attracted to the young hottie and wouldn't give her mother a second glance except to say, "My, you have a beautiful daughter."

 

Show me a strip club filled with middle-aged female dancers....

[manugeorge]

I think the issue of cheating has shifted away from a gender based phenomenon to a PEOPLE BASED phenomenon and rightfully so. An undisciplined coward will cheat, male or female.

 

The rest of us who manage to stay faithful are not chopped liver and it's not like we don't get tempted but you summon that will power, you gather that integrity and use it to fight temptation. It's about common decency and basic respect. I don't stray because what I have at home, while not perfect, is more important than a quick roll in the hay. It's that simple.

[taylor]

I don't see anybody praising cheating men. They get villianized and treated like trash in family court while women are either victims or according to you liberated feminists. I have never in my life cheated on a woman but I have been cheated on plenty of times. I am becoming more tolerant of men who cheat becuase if women are going to celebrate it as a form of feminism why shouldn't men be the jerks women think we are.

 

KFed is Britney Spears ex husband and everybody comes down on him for being a golddigger. If you ask me it is only right that he gets the children and alimoney.

 

History has shown societies to be more tolerant of male infidelity than women's infidelity. How many stories have their been about male aides and colleauges in the White House turning a blind eye to a host of Presidents' sexual escapades. All swept under the carpet until recently.

 

And I do believe males throughout history have been more tolerant of their male friend's transgressions and sexual escapades than they have, or ever will be, of women's extra-marital activities. I don't think they cheer them on, but they certainly don't express their moral indignation to their friends who step over the line. It's more of a "Hey, it is what it is. C'mon let's go shoot some hoops."

 

Men are treated harshly in family court, not because they cheated, but because SOME men have given all men, in general, a bad name...those that don't pay child support..those that beat up their wives...those that shirk their other responsibilities to their children.

 

I don't follow the KF/BS story. Too hollywood for me to relate to.

Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher perhaps portray a more sensible view of what lies ahead in this ever changing sexual dynamic between men and women. Do you have an issue with that?

 

To say that "men should be the jerks that women think they are" is a childish mentality. There will always be men of integrity who will be admired for their ability to rise above the other men in the crowd, and then there will be...well...the jerks.

[taylor]

I don't see anybody praising cheating men. They get villianized and treated like trash in family court while women are either victims or according to you liberated feminists. I have never in my life cheated on a woman but I have been cheated on plenty of times. I am becoming more tolerant of men who cheat becuase if women are going to celebrate it as a form of feminism why shouldn't men be the jerks women think we are.

 

KFed is Britney Spears ex husband and everybody comes down on him for being a golddigger. If you ask me it is only right that he gets the children and alimoney.

 

I don't think ANY woman celebrates cheating as a form of feminism.

[Woggle]

I don't think ANY woman celebrates cheating as a form of feminism.

 

Isn't that what you just did? Also women cheer on their friends who cheat as well while bashing their husbands for everything under the sun. People relate better to their own gender.

 

Why should I try to be a good man when feminists will just treat me like trash anyway? I would rather be a jerk becuase that gives me more freedom.

[clv0116]

Yes, men look at younger women too, no doubt, but notice the popularity of the cougar, and the prevailing infatuation in claiming 40 year old men are not virile. I know, I can see how hot a younger girl is, but I find myself being more sexually attractive to her mom.

 

The cougar is popular with younger men because she's easy and fun and won't usually be a pain to ditch. I should know, trust me. As everyone is probably aware I'm not adverse to age-different relationships, I've been with women from 24 years younger to 16 years older than me.

 

Later, a lot of single older men just don't have the stones or confidence to approach younger women so they go for women their own age or older.

 

If younger women are less desirable, where are all the cosmetic products to help turn that glowing 19 year old skin into something that looks a lot older? Not a huge market I'm betting.

[pyroguy]

Taylor, You have that biased typical opinion. It's typical of women to have this "they did it, so now we can" mentality. What does that solve? Just because grandpa acted a certain way, men now have to pay the price.

 

Imagine the confusion of men today my age and younger. In Grandpa's day, yes, the men (and not all as is the myth) helped little with chores and the kids, probably had more affairs or fooled around with a younger woman, if he could. Today, men, despite some situations, help out more ,are much more hands-on with the children, and generally treat their wives better. Yet, it's this generation of men that get cheated on-go figure. But, in your logic, it's somehow just- cause for what grandpa did 50 years ago.

 

So, where do we go from here? is this a positive thing? or a negative thing?

 

Also, your assertion that cheating men are not looked down on as much as women is a myth started by women. The fact that a male friend doesn't leave his cheating friend behind is the same reason women don't-and they don't. Let's be real here. Are you saying that if your friend was cheating, you would turn her in and leave the friendship? I'm willing to bet not. Ever see talk shows about cheaters with women in the audience? when it's a man, they are reay to have a lynching party. When it's woman, there is a hush, no applause, but no condemnation. To that point, how many times are cheating men called dogs and pigs, and when a woman cheats, she is missing something in the marriage. Please, there is no more acceptance for men than women.

 

For the record, I do not neccessarily feel this threat, but society is trying very hard to crack me. I'm still relevant, I'm active,I can still handle almost any workout that a 25 year old can, I coach youth football and baseball, and I'm not a sexual dud by any means- and so too are many other guys my age I know. Many aren't, but it's not automatic.

 

Again, I Ask you, is this agood thing? remember the original point of the thread. To men, their sexuality ids sort of the heart of their masculinity. They don't need sex like food or water, and when in a relationship they look at it as your affection. It's their acceptance, their worth.

 

So, where is it going from here? Should we all just stop even having relationships? what's the point? what should I tell my kids? How should I proceed with my 8 year old son? should I raise him with the values I learned and how to treat a woman? or just forget it because women want to get even with grandpa?