quankanne Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 I just hope that I dont have to tell anyone about themselves. Not in Gods house, but I would if I have to.. just give them a sweet smile and politely say, "God and I are taking care of that" then walk away Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Have you ever been a member of a Church? I would venture to guess that no you haven't..... And you would be wrong. Had you been, you'd understand that serving the Church has nothing to do with "men". You serve the Church to gloryify the Lord. I only see glorification of Moose here. Constant reminders that you did this, you built that, you contribute so much, and when you're gone they will suffer because they're going to lose you. About these changes imposed on your class and other things, I can't say whether they are for the better or worse because you didnt' mention specifics. What he is doing may very well be detrimental. Or the changes may be beneficial. Only time will tell and without this pastor here to present his side of events, nobody here can make a sound judgement either way. What I see is you getting your nose out of joint because somebody has given you instructions that you don't want to follow. I do what I do because I can. And that my friend is what I personally think bothers you so much..... No, I've been pretty clear about what bothers me. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 it may sound self-righteous when read, but I honestly believe Moose is grieving the loss of his church home that he put so much of himself into, and that's normal. I'd say the exact same thing of my efforts (paid or not) if I was being turned away by a leader who acted the way his new pastor is doing. Nobody forced him to leave the church or even give up his position; he made that choice himself. He could just as easily decide to stay and make further attempts to reconcile the differences, or even just ride it out and continue to do whatever he can for the other members of the church. His decision to leave wasn't imposed upon him by anyone. Again I'm only speculating, but this has all the hallmarks of a clash between two equally stubborn people, neither of whom will give an inch. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
jerbear Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 OH, and I do have a question for you all, what would you think of an online Church Service using Live Meeting? I would vote for that. Link to post Share on other sites
D-Lish Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Jesus was a Nomad right? He didn't associate himself with a building. He in fact avoided it. Paul infused the notion of worship and "one house" per community. You can stop walking in and out of a building- but that doesn't mean you have to be isolated from your community or the people you have come to love and care for. You can be at home every day and never enter a church again and still be a worthy candidate for your heaven. If you don't like what is happening with the new man on campus- do what you think is right, and do what will make you happy. Just don't forget that you already have a community. There may be a new pastor- but the people in your congregation are the same people you have known and associated with for years. They may still need you. You may still need them. Do you have to go to church every single sunday to be a good man? No. If you never went to church again, but still upheld your principals would that change your status in your Heaven? No. Does being a part of something meaningful give great purpose to our lives? YES. God doesn't happen to be my passion or belief- but that doesn't mean I don't understand your attachment to your passion. Are you going to give up 30 years of community and friendships? Do you not have the option of standing up for yourself? He's a Pastor- he's gone to University (probably like I have) to be trained in Religious studies (like I have). I would make a crappy Pastor. He's not God for crying out loud. Stand up. That's what I say. Stand up and fight for what you believe in. Is it complicated to do so? Maybe not as much as you think. Have you considered God wants you stand up? Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 What are the big differences between you and the new pastor? what are your opinions and what are his? Recently I just learned that: not every christian believes same thing, some are far from truth, some are closer, all depend how much they learned about God and truth, where they are on the journey. Based on personal bias and limitation, one can believe so different than another. but in the end, come down to your own attitude, to deal with the circumstances. This I know If you are following God's will, everything will work out for your good. so you have to ask God intensely Hope things will work out for you in the end Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 And you would be wrong. Hey, I've been wrong before, it would be interesting to know just "what" Church you are/where a member of...... I only see glorification of Moose here. Constant reminders that you did this, you built that, you contribute so much, and when you're gone they will suffer because they're going to lose you.Again, our unique approach to raise young Christian families is what made the ministry grow. I mentioned earlier that I stuck it out as long as I could, and made EVERY effort to keep our Church growing....the new Pastor's decision to is between him and God. I simply disagree and see a need that will be ignored and is paramount in today's day and age.....what's the problem with this D? About these changes imposed on your class and other things, I can't say whether they are for the better or worse because you didnt' mention specifics. What he is doing may very well be detrimental. Or the changes may be beneficial. Only time will tell and without this pastor here to present his side of events, nobody here can make a sound judgement either way. What I see is you getting your nose out of joint because somebody has given you instructions that you don't want to follow. Read above...I have ONE boss. And He certianly isn't a Pastor of ANY Church. No, I've been pretty clear about what bothers me. That's a shame, we could wind up being best of friends if we just spent an hour or two in the ring.... There are a lot of dynamics that you're not personally involved in, I would hope someone of your intellect wouldn't think that after decades of building relationships with our brothers and sisters in Christ you would then clam up and not twist my feelings around to make me look like a wordly man.... As far as what you consider mine, "giving" to my Church, abosultely NOTHING belongs to me. I'm just a steward of what God allows me to govern over. As long as my family's needs are met, as far as I'm concerned, the rest should go to further His Kingdom. That doesn't mean I'm not stupid either. I do plan for my family's future should something tragic happen, if you have a problem with this, you'll have to deal with it yourself..... Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I have nothing else to add except to say that I think you should give D-Lish's post some careful consideration. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 I have nothing else to add except to say that I think you should give D-Lish's post some careful consideration. Cheers, D.I did, and it didn't take long to avaluate what she means. I'll repeat one last time, no one here on LS can fully understand the entire dynamics of this situation. With upmost respect, I did appreciate her input, so thanks D-Lish.... Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Err, I've been saying repeatedly that nobody here can understand exactly what's gone on. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Ronni_W Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Maybe one day, we'll meet and set things right again. I can only pray I shall add my prayers, Moose. For some reason, this brought to mind that perhaps you are, for each other, in that 'category' of soulmates whose mission it is to inspire growth and expansion (in each other) through healthy and appropriate challenging of current beliefs, attitudes, etc. And sometimes not so healthy or appropriate, I guess. In the same way that you are learning more about yourself from (because of) him having come into your life, let's also pray that he is open-minded enough to do the same. God bless. Link to post Share on other sites
Eve Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I'll repeat one last time, no one here on LS can fully understand the entire dynamics of this situation. Funny you should say that because today at the first Church service I have attended in about a year or so the last 30 years of its history was celebrated. I knew that they had moved to a new super shiny building because my Hubby had continued to attend, but today happened to be the first official service. As picture after picture from the early days until now came up on the [very impressive] big screen I was thinking about you Moose and all you must have seen within your time serving God at your Church. It was quite a humbling experience. 30 years.. 30 years of diligence and servitude.. Anyhow, our Pastor was talking about how those initial prayers back in the day are still coming into being even now after two signifigant moves. I looked around at the people I disliked in the past for pretty valid reasons and those who I have loved and considered how far we have come. Especially as there is no animosity between any of us even though at times our approaches have been very different. Of course, I dont know what will now happen for you and Mrs Moose but please know that those early prayers you sowed will guide you now. This thread has been highly relevant to me over the last few days, so thank you for posting. I have given back to God everything He Has given me via prayer and suggest you do the same in order to receive afresh what is to come. Gods got your back. Pray and be bold. Regards, Eve (finally back home) xx Link to post Share on other sites
Ronni_W Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Eve (finally back home) xx Happy for you! Wishing you many rewarding moments and joyous celebrations with your "family" Link to post Share on other sites
Eve Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Happy for you! Wishing you many rewarding moments and joyous celebrations with your "family" Thanks Ronni! I do feel somewhat tricked by God though in that I knew He was calling me to share Communion but it was not until I got to Church that I came to realise what sort of Communion He Has called me into. You see Communion was not on offer today, which I was surprised by because even though Communion is offered only once per month I trusted that the odds would fall easily in my favour and this week would be that very week. But no, no Communion ceremony was on offer.. Instead we shared in a bit of cake and a nice cup of tea together and I quickly realised that this is the Communion I was called for. No more slipping away and doing things alone with God because certain people had got on my nerves and offended me by their attitudes. The presence of God was so strong today at Church! In fact I was pleasantly surprised to find that the main culprit (who I could have kicked in the face last time I saw him) has greatly, greatly changed. So there you go. All in all, you have put things very well in your post when you said - "For some reason, this brought to mind that perhaps you are, for each other, in that 'category' of soulmates whose mission it is to inspire growth and expansion (in each other) through healthy and appropriate challenging of current beliefs, attitudes, etc. And sometimes not so healthy or appropriate, I guess. In the same way that you are learning more about yourself from (because of) him having come into your life, let's also pray that he is open-minded enough to do the same. God bless". Thank you for your very wise interpretation. But yeah, I feel pretty renewed and excited by the new clear vision that has appeared in my absence. Things are going to work out and when they dont I shall voice my opinion but not leave my seat again. I am grateful for this new opportunity and know that God Has been at the centre of things all along, patiently challenging us in different ways. I am just really glad to see that new thoughts and behaviours are possible even when we dont think it can be so. God is good. Regards, Eve xx Link to post Share on other sites
Ronni_W Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 God is good. It is so. And I was thinking how that new pastor at Moose's (former?) church, has inspired good things right here -- he has challenged many of us, on one or another level, has he not? With Moose's assistance, of course -- thanks from me, too, Moose Oh. And not sure if quank's post (#15) also helped to inspire you, Eve, but I got a 'special something' from that one, as well. Thanks, one and all Link to post Share on other sites
Eve Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 It is so. And I was thinking how that new pastor at Moose's (former?) church, has inspired good things right here -- he has challenged many of us, on one or another level, has he not? With Moose's assistance, of course -- thanks from me, too, Moose Oh. And not sure if quank's post (#15) also helped to inspire you, Eve, but I got a 'special something' from that one, as well. Thanks, one and all Yes, Quanks post helped make up my mind to go through with things. I was also grateful for the grace shown towards me as I worked through my approach. It is horrible to be conflicted ... but I needed to push past certain memories. I certainly hope that the Pastor in question can brave the storm of change too because the ripples can be turned to something positive. If nothing else I now feel that I understand a glimmer of what Moose is going through and can direct my prayers more appropriately.. So, thank you Moose for this opportunity to share and grow closer to what God sees so clearly. As ever I am in awe of how we are linked in Christ. Especially how He can become the very words we speak and softly (ever so softly) make good out of bad situations. Regards, Eve xx Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Here I am in "SIN CITY" and finally had a chance to check on this thread! Thanks all, I give ALL praise to Christ for leading me in the direction He feels best suits our situation.... This further solidifies my decision, and may God bless you all....including you D. Night all, got an early flight.... Link to post Share on other sites
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