Men stay attractive longer then women and Peek later in life

[CommitmentPhobe]

A 35 year old woman is a tough sell to a single man who wants marriage and kids.

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No it's not, stop generalising. Just because your priority boils down to who is statistically more likely to produce the most genetically enhanced babies to carry on the clv tradition of forum posting doesn't mean everyone thinks the same way.

 

It's life, not some trivial science experiment or genetic conquest competition. If you think everyone believes they're a darwininian engineered product you're sorely mistaken.

[clv0116]

No it's not, stop generalising.

 

Statistics are about generalizing.

[CommitmentPhobe]

Statistics are about generalizing.

 

So it suits you to refute evidence that men over 35 have less chance than their younger counterparts, but when it comes to women aged 35, somehow they're a tough sell to a "guy like you"

 

Statistically a guy like you is likely to be pudgy and balding, and the standard deviation and sample size for that stat would show that the confidence level is higher than the stat you are making up about "what a single guy wants", but don't let that stop you from generalising.

 

I don't personally like your darwinian engineering approach to describing life. It takes a certain type of person to boil everything down to a few figures relating to age and income.

[clv0116]

So it suits you to ...

 

In 2002, 12% of weddings had men 10 or more years older than their spouse, whereas less than 2% had women 10 or more years older than their new husband. A 600% difference for those who are keeping track.

 

 

I don't personally like your darwinian engineering approach to describing life. It takes a certain type of person to boil everything down to a few figures relating to age and income.

 

Yes, we're called realists.

[CommitmentPhobe]

In 2002, 12% of weddings had men 10 or more years older than their spouse, whereas less than 2% had women 10 or more years older than their new husband. A 600% difference for those who are keeping track.

 

The important stat isn't the 600% (nice spin). Try putting what you've just written into context clv, that's only 1 in 10 marriages where the men were 10 or more years older. This clearly shows you have very little advantage compared to your younger counterparts of marrying a woman of ideal child bearing age when you're in your late 30's. You are 88% disadvantaged in fact.

 

 

Yes, we're called realists.

 

No you're called insecurists.

 

By the way did you know 25% of all fires of unknown origin are rat-caused? I suppose you've taken many precautions to keep them out.

[Cherry Blossom 35]

The important stat isn't the 600% (nice spin). Try putting what you've just written into context clv, that's only 1 in 10 marriages where the men were 10 or more years older. This clearly shows you have very little advantage compared to your younger counterparts of marrying a woman of ideal child bearing age when you're in your late 30's. You are 88% disadvantaged in fact.

 

 

 

 

No you're called insecurists.

 

By the way did you know 25% of all fires of unknown origin are rat-caused? I suppose you've taken many precautions to keep them out.

 

Oh, snap!

[clv0116]

The important stat isn't the 600% (nice spin). Try putting what you've just written into context clv, that's only 1 in 10 marriages where the men were 10 or more years older.

 

It's nearly one in eight actually. Can I assume your degree is in arts or some other non-math related field?

 

 

This clearly shows you have very little advantage compared to your younger counterparts of marrying a woman of ideal child bearing age when you're in your late 30's. You are 88% disadvantaged in fact.

 

I never said otherwise, I've merely been pointing out that it's easier for older men to get married than older women, and said older man is much more likely to marry someone his junior than said older woman is. For some reason people are committed to debating measured fact. I don't see why, but whatever.

 

 

 

By the way did you know 25% of all fires of unknown origin are rat-caused? I suppose you've taken many precautions to keep them out.

 

I keep poison in all areas accessible to rodents, all points of entrance are filled and the house itself is ICF (recon) construction.

[CommitmentPhobe]

It's nearly one in eight actually. Can I assume your degree is in arts or some other non-math related field?

No what you can assume is that I couldn't be bothered to round it down. I really wouldn't get into a degree p**ssing contest with me, because you'll lose.

I never said otherwise, I've merely been pointing out that it's easier for older men to get married than older women, and said older man is much more likely to marry someone his junior than said older woman is. For some reason people are committed to debating measured fact. I don't see why, but whatever.

Actually this is what you said which is in no way backed up by stats, which is what you claimed

A 35 year old woman is a tough sell to a single man who wants marriage and kids.

Not measured fact at all, just some incorrect supposition, that you then claim is backed up by stats. You then gave a statistic not even remotely related to what you've claimed. So no, you can't make the generalisation, and unless you can back it up you just continue to look foolish.

 

So no we're not debating facts, we're debating your supposition which is completely different from fact. You brought this down to stats, so why don't you come up with one which shows what you claim instead of something that doesn't relate at all? Try how many 35 year old women get married and have kids with men aged 30-45. That's a little more convicing than how many women marry men aged a decade younger than them.

[susyq76]

In 2002, 12% of weddings had men 10 or more years older than their spouse, whereas less than 2% had women 10 or more years older than their new husband. A 600% difference for those who are keeping track.

 

 

 

 

Yes, we're called realists.

 

 

Do you know how low 12% is? Your stat actually just proved all of our points...MOST people marry people their age! That means that for ever 100 marriages only 12 were with people 10 years or older. WTH? That is low as hell. So that means 88 marriages of 100 were people in their age group. Enough said, Ironically you just proved our point CLV.

 

Now, of those 12 of 100 that married 10+ years older you have to factor in the cultures that do arrange marriages where the women is often considerably younger. Then factor in the rich men that marry a young gold digger. That doesn't leave much room for you. Ha! So go ahead and get on the dating forum and find you a 40+ women your own age. :-) Your stats have proven you have low chances bro. Don't worry, if she can't conceive you can always do adoption.

[CommitmentPhobe]

I keep poison in all areas accessible to rodents, all points of entrance are filled and the house itself is ICF (recon) construction.

 

Yeah thanks for that, I don't suppose you saw the irony in the fact that it's 25% of unknown causes

[pollywag]

There is absolutely no advantage, other than financial for a young woman to couple and have children with a much older man. In fact studies show that older women that have babies tend to have babies of above average intelligence, not so for older men. Men over 40 in fact have babies of less than average intelligence. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/4966045/Children-fathered-by-older-men-are-less-intelligent.htmlKeep playing the filed old bachelors...

[burning 4 revenge]

There is absolutely no advantage, other than financial for a young woman to couple and have children with a much older man. In fact studies show that older women that have babies tend to have babies of above average intelligence, not so for older men. Men over 40 in fact have babies of less than average intelligence.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/4966045/Children-fathered-by-older-men-are-less-intelligent.htmlKeep playing the filed old bachelors...

TBF just told me that the formula in terms of age is

 

woman =x

 

man =x/2 +7

 

that that is the right ballpark

[clv0116]

Try how many 35 year old women get married and have kids with men aged 30-45. That's a little more convicing than how many women marry men aged a decade younger than them.

 

Well you're combining two different things. I just showed that it's 6 times more likely for a man to marry a woman a decade his junior than the other way around, and for the other part, in 2000 the average American woman having her first baby was less than 25 years old.

 

Looks like not a lot of 35+ gals being snapped up to become mommies.

[pollywag]

Calculations are fine for accounting and taxes, when it comes to love the only formula I adhere to is what the heart dictates comperable to personal long term goals. There is no age for love, you just need an open heart. That is why I find it foolish to say human beings have a shelf life, the only thing we have a shelf life for is death, not love.

[clv0116]

Do you know how low 12% is? Your stat actually just proved all of our points...MOST people marry people their age!

 

If you define your own age as plus or minus a few years, about half actually married in that range with the rest falling in the other ranges. The vast majority married either similar aged or with the man older, with 1/8th marrying a man at least a decade senior.

 

 

 

That means that for ever 100 marriages only 12 were with people 10 years or older. WTH? That is low as hell. So that means 88 marriages of 100 were people in their age group. Enough said, Ironically you just proved our point CLV.

 

Not unless you suddenly want to call plus or minus one decade your age group.

 

 

 

Now, of those 12 of 100 that married 10+ years older you have to factor in the cultures that do arrange marriages where the women is often considerably younger.

 

Those stats were for Americans in 2002.

 

 

That doesn't leave much room for you. Ha! So go ahead and get on the dating forum and find you a 40+ women your own age. :-) Your stats have proven you have low chances bro. Don't worry, if she can't conceive you can always do adoption.

 

I have no problems myself, but I realize my personal experience is not statistically significant. You have such a mean tone though, I don't think you're very rational and dispassionate about this subject.

[soserious1]

I work in a male dominated industry and I also have actual friends both male and female that span the decades age wise.

 

Yes, older guys love to look at the current crop of college co-eds, banging them,hanging out with them would be thrilling for a month,2 or three but when

the newness wears off and you've actually got to get out of bed they find they have little to relate to with each other. A few years differences in ages is no biggie once people are fully adult but when you start taking about age gaps of 10 yrs or better it is a different story. Coming from roughly the same place and the same time..there's is something to be said for that for both men and women imho.

 

 

I've asked several of my male friends about the dating issue.. and was shocked when they told me that as far as sex goes, the younger the better as long as she's legal.. yes the 29 yr old would bang that 18 yr old hottie in a minute... but that he wouldn't view her as serious relationship material.. because of the age gap.

 

 

Also all this talk of what men over 40 will/won't do... most men who make it to 40/45 who have never been married probably will never marry because they don't want to.. the confirmed bachelor. Most available 40 yr old guys are not hungering for children because most of them are divorced and already rearing kids.

 

The other thought that I will offer up here is this, I am in my early 50's and know many folks, the fertilty problems I've observed that occurs most often is not with women who waited too long to find husbands but rather with highly educated,successful solid married couples who postponed child rearing to further their careers and interests, those folks probably represent the bulk of the infertility clinic's customers.

 

And lastly, as to older women, once we've reared our children, buried a parent and weathered our own mid-life storm and gone thru a painful divorce are in no hurry to marry again. Dating, companionship? great.. marriage? not so good.

[susyq76]

Well you're combining two different things. I just showed that it's 6 times more likely for a man to marry a woman a decade his junior than the other way around, and for the other part, in 2000 the average American woman having her first baby was less than 25 years old.

 

Looks like not a lot of 35+ gals being snapped up to become mommies.

 

 

Uh DUh, this is due to the TEENAGE prego rate. This hasn't a thing to do with 25+ women not getting pregnant and/or not getting married.

 

Additionally, non-married parenthood is higher amongst that age group as well so you have to factor that in for that stat.

 

 

Lastly, 2000 was damn near 10 years ago.

 

Just stop..you're making yourself look worse the more this conversation goes on. You can NOT WIN! The bottom line is that you have proven by stats that neither men nor women are likely to marry someone 10+ years younger than them. Who care is women only do it 2 out of 100 and men do it 12 out of 100. The overall theme here is that BOTH groups barely do it. 12 out of 100 is to small to even discuss.

[susyq76]

If you define your own age as plus or minus a few years, about half actually married in that range with the rest falling in the other ranges. The vast majority married either similar aged or with the man older, with 1/8th marrying a man at least a decade senior.

 

Again, 88 out of 100 marriages were people within 9 years of each other. Period. 1/8th is nothing..that is damn near 0. Most people wouldn't gamble 5 bucks on a 1/8th odd.

 

 

 

Not unless you suddenly want to call plus or minus one decade your age group.

 

 

 

 

 

Those stats were for Americans in 2002.

 

People from other cultures does not imply that they aren't AMERICAN! Arranged marriages in other cultures happen here in America if they live here in America. I went to one just last year in Washington, DC. That marriage would be a part of your stats. The gold digger marrying the rich man ie. Anna Nicole would also be in your stats. Young women more than likely date an older man purely for financial gain. Once in a while its for love, most of the time its for your pockets. You have nothing that they want over your younger counterparts.

 

 

 

I have no problems myself, but I realize my personal experience is not statistically significant. You have such a mean tone though, I don't think you're very rational and dispassionate about this subject.

 

lol, I'm not very rational? You're funny. Your personal experience? You date 3 young women and now you believe that you can have any young women? Or even any young women you could have when you were young? That to me irrational! Clearly anyone CAN find the exception to the rule..Show me a 40+ single women and I'm sure I can find some that date men 10 years younger as well. Is that the norm? No!

 

Our point is that a young women dating seriously dating someone 10+ years older is not the norm. An older man just like an older women is a hard sell on a young person. Like I said earlier, I'm 32 and I'd NEVER date a 42 year old man regardless of his finance nor looks nor personality. I have no desire to date someone 10 years older than me. Geez, my darn father is 52! They'd be as close to my dads age as to mine..gross! Besides why date a 42 year old when I can date a 30 year old, or 32 year old, or 35 year old. What can I possibly get out of that situation that i can't get from someone my own age?

[susyq76]

Give up, SusyQ. This one has determined that his WALLET is going to garner him a marriage partner. The kind of marriage partner that can be bought wouldn't be to my liking, but to each his own. There will always be the type of woman who can be bought, regardless of her age.

 

I know, I know...he's older already and on top of that he'll be LONELY because no young women is about to marry him. He'll see sooner rather than later when the 3 young girls he thinks he's dating are also seriously dating a young man 2. Ha! After he pays for dinner they go in and text their 30 year old date....

[susyq76]

I work in a male dominated industry and I also have actual friends both male and female that span the decades age wise.

 

Yes, older guys love to look at the current crop of college co-eds, banging them,hanging out with them would be thrilling for a month,2 or three but when

the newness wears off and you've actually got to get out of bed they find they have little to relate to with each other. A few years differences in ages is no biggie once people are fully adult but when you start taking about age gaps of 10 yrs or better it is a different story. Coming from roughly the same place and the same time..there's is something to be said for that for both men and women imho.

 

 

I've asked several of my male friends about the dating issue.. and was shocked when they told me that as far as sex goes, the younger the better as long as she's legal.. yes the 29 yr old would bang that 18 yr old hottie in a minute... but that he wouldn't view her as serious relationship material.. because of the age gap.

 

 

Also all this talk of what men over 40 will/won't do... most men who make it to 40/45 who have never been married probably will never marry because they don't want to.. the confirmed bachelor. Most available 40 yr old guys are not hungering for children because most of them are divorced and already rearing kids.

 

The other thought that I will offer up here is this, I am in my early 50's and know many folks, the fertilty problems I've observed that occurs most often is not with women who waited too long to find husbands but rather with highly educated,successful solid married couples who postponed child rearing to further their careers and interests, those folks probably represent the bulk of the infertility clinic's customers.

 

And lastly, as to older women, once we've reared our children, buried a parent and weathered our own mid-life storm and gone thru a painful divorce are in no hurry to marry again. Dating, companionship? great.. marriage? not so good.

 

Great post. Very enlightening....Unfortunately for my age group (late 20s/early 30s) I think when we reach 40 it won't be that the men are divorced and not looking for marriage. Times have changed, people just aren't getting married like they used to. Those studies and stats are so true when they state how the avg age of married folks is increasing and the number of people opting to not marry is increasing. I'm finding now that women are less concerned with marriage and its causing issues lol. The older I get the more I meet people who are still single, never married..maybe kids. but never married.

[pollywag]

Ha! After he pays for dinner they go in and text their 30 year old date....

 

LMAO that's about right! Not to mention a man that ends up with a woman who is considerably younger will be his own worst enemy. He will always feel insecure that his woman will leave him for someone younger, better looking, more exciting and better in bed (let's face it women who are older don't get worse in bed, men do hands down no comparisson. it's rare that a man over 50 is better than a man in his 20's in bed, for women it's totally different women may lose physical appeal but they have no problem fucntioning sexually) And once she realises that her youth was stolen from her for the "benefit" of some financial means she could totally get on her own free will, she will be out of there. A lot of those relationships don't work out. In 15 yrs when the mom goes to school to see her teenage kid, other teens will wonder who is the MILF with with the grandpa. Most those men end up alone, who wants to take care of a wrinkeld up impotent scrooge at the age of 35 or 45? A woman is in her prime at 35 or 45. There is nothing sadder than a 60 yr old man all alone and lonely basically waiting to die, women in their senior years are more social and tend to be surrounded by more people where as men tend to end up all alone.

[stillafool]

No, I think both men and women are most attractive when they are young. However, women definitely age better than men because we take better care of ourselves. Also we don't have to worry about losing our ability to have sex as we age.

[clv0116]

Uh DUh, this is due to the TEENAGE prego rate. This hasn't a thing to do with 25+ women not getting pregnant and/or not getting married.

 

The stat I used was not for pregnancy, it was for childbirth. Less than 5% of women give birth under the age of 20. If you don't like my stats you can feel free to research your own. I'm open to any alternate views as long as there are some facts to support.

 

It looks like the average age for marriage for females is about the same as the average age for childbirth, so it does look like the relatively small number of teen mothers is skewing that birth age figure slightly, however it doesn't support the conclusion that 35 year old women are getting married and having kids in droves at all. In fact the numbers indicate the opposite. And that's my point.

 

 

 

Additionally, non-married parenthood is higher amongst that age group as well so you have to factor that in for that stat.

 

Above.

 

 

Lastly, 2000 was damn near 10 years ago.

 

Thanks for reminding me, I forgot to mention that since 1890 the difference in age has varied but the trend overall and particularly since the 1960 has been for the marriage age to increase and the age gap to increase as well.

 

 

The bottom line is that you have proven by stats that neither men nor women are likely to marry someone 10+ years younger than them. Who care is women only do it 2 out of 100 and men do it 12 out of 100. The overall theme here is that BOTH groups barely do it. 12 out of 100 is to small to even discuss.

 

I have to figure that you don't work with numbers much, so let me explain it simply. If you knew that you had a 12% chance of being in a fatal transportation accident on the daily commute to your work, would you still go every day? If so, you would probably die in 2 weeks. Call me crazy but that seems big enough to discuss.

 

 

 

I think the odds by days elapsed for the above can be computed as:

 

1 - (.875 ^ n)

 

Where n is days elapsed, but I just threw that out in about 1 second, so it might not be right. If it is, your odds of surviving any given week are about 50%.

 

 

Setting that little segue aside, it means that one out of every eight women I see will marry someone at least 10 years their senior. I don't know about you, but I see a lot of women every day. For men, one out of every 50 I see will marry a woman 10 years or more HIS senior.

 

 

 

That's a much less likely scenario and that difference is in fact the subject we're discussing.

[clv0116]

.... women may lose physical appeal but they have no problem fucntioning sexually ....

 

Unless you're already in love with her, why would you ever want to find out?

 

 

A lot of those relationships don't work out.

 

Care to cite any proof?

[Sam Spade]

Do you know how low 12% is? Your stat actually just proved all of our points...MOST people marry people their age! That means that for ever 100 marriages only 12 were with people 10 years or older. WTH? That is low as hell. So that means 88 marriages of 100 were people in their age group. Enough said, Ironically you just proved our point CLV. .

 

 

12% vs 2%, if the sources are accurate, is actually surprisingly high difference in odds (for such a large age difference) explained by a single variable (gender), I am a bit surprised. (I crunch numbers for a living, and I'd get excited any time I get a result like this...). So there is clearly some notable regularity here.

10% chance of anything is pretty okay, actually. I wish the odds on the job market when I was looking for a job, were this good. (In reality, they were 4%, and I was thankful for that.)