All This Talk About Women Aging....

[DMoon]

Well AOL had an article this morning about men and their aging.

 

 

 

Jersey, I understand your intent even if the delivery was not what you expected. I see numerous threads about older women a la Logan’s Run and why this mythical she should be so arrogant to presume and demand the same kind of treatment as a young nubile 20 year old. The messages that I got can be distilled to a few repeating points:

• Women eggs are shriveled raisins after 35, are a bio-hazard to men and will most likely replicate Down syndrome’s babies with a host of medical problems.
  
• Women are bitter man haters/eaters after 35
  
• Women after a certain age are nothing more than sex play dolls for young guys to practice on since he would never conceded to marry her.
  
• Older women cannot physically compete like younger women and especially after they get pregnant and their body can’t snap back like the younger women.
  
• Women’s options continually dwindle as she gets older so its best to be married and knocked up by 30 or else she will be a sad sack with the BO of desperation that no man her age or older would touch since he will always have a plethora of PYT’s at his beck and call.
  
• Asian women (or non western women from Asian countries) are 100 times better in every category than non-Asian women.
  

[Trialbyfire]

I can see your point. I think that one of the problems is that with enough abstract generalization, there is a grain of truth that I will agree with, mixed in there with all the over the top generalizations.

 

However, even acknowleding some aspects of the completely crazy ideas they are eventually revealing as the threads go on, is giving them reason to claim that everything they talk about is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

 

I have been guilty of that before. I am thinking of the "owning a woman" thread. I posted there and said that in a way, I do agree with the notion of "owning" your SO, but then the next time I looked, "owning" was taken as far as proclaiming the vast advantages that women would benefit from under taliban rule.

 

That certainly isn't anywhere close to what I had in mind when I agreed with "owning" your SO. At that point, however, the best thing to do from my POV, was to ignore the whacko brigade under General Burqa. They will interpret things the way they want anyway. It's not like rational arguments will make them change their view or approach.

 

But, if the women on LS feel deserted, feeling left alone to argue with those instigators without at least some of the LS men having their back, I can see why they feel that way.

 

But I don't think that is accurate. Most of the men, like Trimmer said, are probably simply shaking their heads at the nonsense they read and ignore it.

 

Others, like myself, need to do a better job of recognizing when it's the whacko brigade at work, and when it's a normal poster that is just venting because of a recent disappointment and thus fails to address a certain concrete incident, and instead includes all women in his rant.

Yes, there are rants by individuals which are situational and tone down after they've recovered some from their hurt.

 

I think that you, as well as many other members, including myself, want to believe that even the whackos have sane moments. The only problem is that it always turns into an agenda-based twist towards female subjegation, due to the personal insecurities or sheer imbalance of the respective whacko.

 

I appreciate this Stock! There's a reason why I like and respect members like yourself. Thanks.

[MN randomguy]

I see this a lot... Older single women rooting for their friends to grow old and single as well.

 

 

Ya know what they say,

 

With friends like that...

[Jersey Shortie]

You know, there was not ONE thing in any of my postings on this tread that was vicious or anti-male. I thought the article was a good counter to all the comments that only women have negative side effects from aging. There were however alot of people presuming to know what I meant by some of my comments INSTEAD of saying "Hey, JS, can you futher explain what you mean by this comment?"

 

OK, interesting article.

 

There, now with that out of the way, I find it even more interesting than the article that you think God gets a "laugh" out of saddling the children of older men with lower intelligence. Hilarious. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I have to imagine that this - being the substantial content of your own contribution to the original post - must indeed reveal a good deal about who you are as a person.

 

I think this post revels who *you* are as person. Because you pre-disposed an opinion of me without asking me to further explain my comments when you didn't have all the facts. You took whatever meaning you wanted to, and ran with it. There was no question in your post about what I meant. Instead there was perscuation right off the bat.

 

Please show me where I said God gets the last laugh *because* he saddles children of older men with lower intelligence. Where? I NEVER said such a thing. Infact, please go back and re-read my follow up posts where my comments about God getting the last laugh had to do with male/female dynamics and powerplays and nothing about children and their levels of intelligence.

 

If you asked me to futher explain this is what I would have said:

 

What I meant by "God gets the last laugh" was because here we are arguing about who has the power, men or women and the truth is, God designed it so that neither men OR women have the power. Because when one sex has the power over the other, it has the chance of being abused. THAT is what I meant by God having the last laugh. He designed it in such a way that it's suppose to be about balance. Not one gender having power over the other. And here we are, trying to prove our power to the other gender when the truth is, we are EQUAL. So God, gets the last laugh designing us to be ying and yang. Not Yang beating down Yang to relclaim it's dominate power. I hope this makes more sense and if it DOESN'T, PLEASE ASK ME QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF ASSUMING UNTRUTHS.

 

I can tell she's so angry at something that she's actually vicious. Only sees or reads what she wants to see. If you disagree with her, you're not merely a little bit on the other side, you're automatically an extreme misogynist whose mind she knows better than you do. Fun times.

 

What have I been "vicious" to you about? If I am as vicious as you say, you sould be able to provide amble evidence.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Why are men getting so worked up anyway over this thread? All she did was post an article. Then she stated that it is ultimately up to God to decide.

 

Why would this set men off?

It is in no way degrading men.

It is simply a scientific study which states that younger sperm creates more intelligent babies.

This is different than the threads which blindly state that career women sleep with career men and it's a f**kfest in the breakroom everyday, and the one which is completely subjective when it states that women age earlier than men and men are more attractive in their later years than women in their later years. Nothing to back that up, and it can be easily debunked.

It is simply saying to men that if you want to have more intelligent children, don't wait until your later years

I don't get why this is offensive and there is reason to bash the OP for this.

 

There alot of gender bashing from both sides. Threads like these only provoke it.

 

 

Thank you! Someone who does understand. I think it was easier for certain people to personally attack me then to discuss what the article is saying.

 

 

For example, in this thread, if the OP had quoted the article and made the simple and intelligent point that this is a counterargument to the ridiculous stance that older women are somehow worth less, I probably would have nodded and gone right by.

 

That's what I felt like I did.

 

 

I didn't even care about the poke at men, but it was the comment about God laughing at men, at the expense of children that inclined me to participate. This had nothing to do with my feelings about "all men this," and "all women that" arguments.

 

I never said God was laughing at men. NEVER. Please ask the meaning of something before presuming you understand what another person is trying to express. Your claim is completely unfair and baseless.

 

I see this a lot... Older single women rooting for their friends to grow old and single as well.

 

Why shouldn't they? It's not like men think we have any value as we get older. Can't we have someone that is rooting for us at least? Or are we suppose to hate ourselves as much as some men seem to after we age?

 

Jersey, I understand your intent even if the delivery was not what you expected. I see numerous threads about older women a la Logan’s Run and why this mythical she should be so arrogant to presume and demand the same kind of treatment as a young nubile 20 year old. The messages that I got can be distilled to a few repeating points:

• Women eggs are shriveled raisins after 35, are a bio-hazard to men and will most likely replicate Down syndrome’s babies with a host of medical problems.
  
• Women are bitter man haters/eaters after 35
  
• Women after a certain age are nothing more than sex play dolls for young guys to practice on since he would never conceded to marry her.
  
• Older women cannot physically compete like younger women and especially after they get pregnant and their body can’t snap back like the younger women.
  
• Women’s options continually dwindle as she gets older so its best to be married and knocked up by 30 or else she will be a sad sack with the BO of desperation that no man her age or older would touch since he will always have a plethora of PYT’s at his beck and call.
  
• Asian women (or non western women from Asian countries) are 100 times better in every category than non-Asian women.
  

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That seems to sun up the message that some people want to drive home.

[JerseyShortie]

Hmm, so no one has anything more to say? Even you Trimmer, who completely misrepersented my comments?

[Trimmer]

No, you vanquished me. Interesting article - I have no problem believing that older men's sperm are not as "viable", and could have diminished genetic potential. I hope this puts an end once and for all to any negative comments here on LS about older women, who I fully support and respect.

[sally4sara]

I don't always agree with you by any means, clv - but I do appreciate that commentary you just gave. I found it sad and disturbing too.

 

I found it more disturbing that he was disturbed about the guy being with a girl who "belongs in the gutter" than he was disturbed that the guy was judging someone as being gutter-worthy.

 

But then, if we didn't decide SOMEONE belonged in the gutter how would we ever elevate ourselves?

[Taramere]

I found it more disturbing that he was disturbed about the guy being with a girl who "belongs in the gutter" than he was disturbed that the guy was judging someone as being gutter-worthy.

 

But then, if we didn't decide SOMEONE belonged in the gutter how would we ever elevate ourselves?

 

Well I guess we would just have to rely on rolling-eyed emoticons, sally4sara.

[clv0116]

I found it more disturbing that he was disturbed about the guy being with a girl who "belongs in the gutter" than he was disturbed that the guy was judging someone as being gutter-worthy.

 

Pathetic. The whole thing was disturbing, but the part I noted was particularly lacking in logic. You're just looking for things to pick apart.

[Jersey Shortie]

Yeah, says the man that likes to correct people on their grammer on a message board.

 

 

No, you vanquished me.

 

My parents said I would have made a good lawyer..but I would have showed up in legwarmers and a mini skirt so that might have diminished it a little.

 

 

 

Interesting article - I have no problem believing that older men's sperm are not as "viable", and could have diminished genetic potential. I hope this puts an end once and for all to any negative comments here on LS about older women, who I fully support and respect

.

 

Thank you.

[Untouchable_Fire]

You know, there was not ONE thing in any of my postings on this tread that was vicious or anti-male. I thought the article was a good counter to all the comments that only women have negative side effects from aging. There were however alot of people presuming to know what I meant by some of my comments INSTEAD of saying "Hey, JS, can you futher explain what you mean by this comment?"

 

I dont think you are anti-male.

 

I just think you distrust men generally. Meaning you are much more trusting of guys you know, but have no trust in the general male population.

 

You also seem overly worried about your attractiveness.

 

There... you have my 2 cents.!

[clv0116]

Yeah, says the man that likes to correct people on their grammer on a message board.

 

In fact I corrected the semantics, not syntax, of your posts. I let quite a few spelling errors slide, it was when you used the completely wrong word that I corrected you.

 

On topic, I never said women are worthless after a certain age, just that *I* (and some others) would avoid starting a serious relationship with an older women. That's all.

 

Apparently, directly on topic, my opinion is shared by 6 times more men than the number of women who are adverse to older men.

[Jersey Shortie]

clv, are you able to discuss other subjects then women and your dislike for them aging? We get it. You don't want a woman your age. Good for you. I doubt they are yearning to be with you either. You always bring it back to this. It's like you can't see women as real people beyond the point you want to keep driving home.

 

 

 

I dont think you are anti-male.

 

I just think you distrust men generally. Meaning you are much more trusting of guys you know, but have no trust in the general male population.

 

You also seem overly worried about your attractiveness.

 

Well you are right on both accounts Untouchable.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Well you are right on both accounts Untouchable.

 

Well I should be wrong on at least one!

 

I wholeheartedly endorse only trusting guys you know very well. Women who think men are good intentioned, honorable, never hurt a fly, teddy bears... are naive idiots.

 

You should not be questioning your own attractiveness. Just stay in shape, take showers, put some effort into your clothing, and you can't go wrong.

[clv0116]

clv, are you able to discuss other subjects then women and your dislike for them aging? We get it.

 

No you don't get it. I don't care about them aging, everyone ages and it's normal and fine. I expect my wife to be 40, then a decade later, 50 and I will love her more than anything else. What isn't gonna happen is for me to START a serious relationship with a 40 year old woman any time in the future. Emphasis on start was not an accident.

 

It's not to say I'm gonna trade her in every time she hits 33.

[Jersey Shortie]

And yet you expect a woman to want to start one with you while you are in your 40s, past your physical prime. Why would a young healthy woman want to give best years to someone that already his has passsed any more then you want to. I don't care if you date younger women. What I find atrocious is the fact that yuo don't hold yourself to the same standard you hold women.

 

 

Well I should be wrong on at least one!

 

I wholeheartedly endorse only trusting guys you know very well. Women who think men are good intentioned, honorable, never hurt a fly, teddy bears... are naive idiots.

 

I wish more men were honroable and good intentioned but I am not navie enough to think they all are.

 

You should not be questioning your own attractiveness. Just stay in shape, take showers, put some effort into your clothing, and you can't go wrong.

 

Well, I do all that but I think the average man has expectations of dating women with pornstar bodies.

[carhill]

Well, I do all that but I think the average man has expectations of dating women with pornstar bodies.

 

Oh, stop that

[mr.dream merchant]

Pornstar bodies? Lol no man is after perfection. If you have a nice pair of tits, a nice ass, and/or a pretty face, guys will be attracted to you. Would you want a fat man with a beer belly so large he can't see his junk and a pair of cellulite ridden thighs? Come on now, people want what is attractive to them. It is not a crime for wanting a woman with curves. I don't see guys on here complaining about women wants men who are in shape. I mean there may be a couple threads but I've never seen them.

[clv0116]

They'll be racking up the credit on the plastic and screwing the pool boy when hubby's busy earning the dough that keeps them there. What a special brand o' love!

 

And people say *I* have a low opinion of women - wow.

[pollywag]

And people say *I* have a low opinion of women - wow.

 

 

It's not a low opinion of women, she's right. There is absolutely no reason for a young woman to marry a much older man, there is no greater benefit to her life she cannot have with a man close to her own age other than financial stability.

 

Since some men claim that men don't go for older women with money and they don't care about women's money or financial power, I think a relationship with a much older woman and a younger man is much more real and based on pure human relation, be it sexual intellectual or emotional, than a very young woman who is with a much older man with money. If you notice there are really good looking older men who are poor, they don't have younger women. Yet older men who are not good looking that do have money do get the young women. Hmmmmm do the math. This isn't a Donna issue it's an issue of what some women will do for a man with money.

 

Most women aspire to be nothing like that which is why they work on having careers and their independence, there is no integrity in aspiring to be a young trophy wife, no matter which angle you look at if.

 

 

If I were an older man with money I would live in constant paranoia that women are using me. It happens to beautiful stars, the not knowing who wants what from them, why in the world would it not happen to older average men with money?

[Isolde]

Just based on my intuition, I don't think large age differences (a man being > 8 years older, or a woman being > 5 years older) are ever a good thing for a marriage or very long relationship. No matter how deep the connection, age differences bring vulnerabilities and imbalances that otherwise wouldn't be there. Are there exceptions? Of course. But I'm frankly surprised that these days, people don't seem to include "around my age" on a list.

[clv0116]

If you notice there are really good looking older men who are poor, they don't have younger women. Yet older men who are not good looking that do have money do get the young women.

 

Young men with money also tend to get the beautiful women. I don't believe young beautiful women are somehow less inclined to scruples than ugly or older women, it seems more reasonable that the beautiful women won out in the competition for these desirable men due to the strong male preference for physical beauty. The less desirable women simply had to settle for the less desirable men.

 

I believe women are predisposed to value characteristics in a mate that often translate into high income, power or prestige. I don't believe that simply because most women tend to select men somewhat based on income they are money grubbing gold diggers. They just obey to a greater or lesser degree their biological programing.

[clv0116]

Just based on my intuition, I don't think large age differences (a man being > 8 years older, or a woman being > 5 years older) are ever a good thing for a marriage or very long relationship.

 

Research shows no significant correlation between age difference and likelihood of divorce for either gender being the senior party.

[clv0116]

Well, I do all that but I think the average man has expectations of dating women with pornstar bodies.

 

Define pornstar body. The women I date have bodies good enough to be in porn, but really since video and inexpensive editing and distribution have become available you see a lot more just healthy young bodies in porn now. From what I hear ....

 

But sure, why not?

[Isolde]

Research shows no significant correlation between age difference and likelihood of divorce for either gender being the senior party.

 

SOME research does show infidelity rates increase where there's an extremely high difference (15+ years), particularly when the woman is the older one.