All This Talk About Women Aging....

[OpenBook]

(I am leaving the door open for anyone to offer an example of a famous woman in her 40s and up who has a down syndrome baby because I can't think of one)

 

Sarah Palin.

[You'reasian]

For me it comes down to self-preservation. It's better to be realistc, if even pesimistic, about the possibility of how men are going to think of me when I am older.. or not think of me. Then have hope for something ideally more that isn't going to be a reality but will turn out to be a bigger disapointment if I don't acknowledge it now. Look at how quite a few of the guys here talk about women in general. Not you obviously Carhill, but sadly, that is rare around here.

 

It's really no compliment to even the younger ladies, to me, this viewpoint about all women in general. Yes, I am in my 20s and not stupid enough to presume that I'm so special in my youth that that will surpass nature, that I won't age. But there is no woman between the age of 2-90 that doesn't need to feel beautiful to feel like a woman. And it would seem that some men would rather tear us down then lift us up.

 

I don't feel the need to tear down any women, although I do watch their behaviors - but I do lift the ones that I like.

 

...she's not the sooper young girl with fake boobs, she's just the girl next door who takes care of herself, is comfortable in her own skin and has the capacity to care about someone else

[pollywag]

Sarah Palin.

 

 

Good example, I forgot about Sarah Palin.

[pollywag]

Anyway there is probably 3, 5, 15 examples if we all put our heads together to come up with more cases. The point is that we can also come up with at least one example of a person having a freak accident and dying in a plane crash, but the reality is that the majority of people take planes and survive unscathed.

 

The study in this case says that it's proven that all men who have children at an older age produce dumber babies, it is not so with women. It is also not so that every woman will have a Down syndrome baby if she is over 30 and pregnant. The odds of having a Down syndrome baby for an older woman are lower than the odds of producing a mentally slower baby because the man waits too long to have them. I think that was the point of this article.

 

Men, can you acknowledge your "power seed" is no longer good forever?

 

It's a hard pill to swallow, I know, but just build a bridge and get over it.

[clv0116]

Your example seems a tiny bit nuts to me.

 

How so?

 

 

.... I am starting to think this "older women" have down syndrome babies to be a myth. I don't know one single famous couple (I am leaving the door open for anyone to offer an example of a famous woman in her 40s and up who has a down syndrome baby because I can't think of one) who has a baby with a mental disability because she had them late?

 

"Only about nine percent of total pregnancies occur in women 35 years or older each year, but about 25% of babies with Down syndrome are born to women in this age group."

 

"The likelihood that a woman under 30 who becomes pregnant will have a baby with Down syndrome is less than 1 in 1,000, but the chance of having a baby with Down syndrome increases to 1 in 400 for women who become pregnant at age 35. The likelihood of Down syndrome continues to increase as a woman ages, so that by age 42, the chance is 1 in 60 that a pregnant woman will have a baby with Down syndrome, and by age 49, the chance is 1 in 12."

[Cherished]

Why is there this assumption that older men are financially secure? Why is there this assumption that women in their 20s and 30s need a man for financial security?

 

Case in point, there is a 38 year old guy I know who has a college degree making $30,000 running a comic book store his parents own and living in a dumpy apartment.

There's myself who is a middle school teacher earning $61,000 a year living in a pretty nice condo (I'm 37).

Then there are plenty of young women not long out of college or grad school in their 20s and 30s making in the si figures.

These women are not "exceptions," you run into them everyday as the doctors in your doctor's office, the pharmacist, the accountant, the VP of a company, the engineer (my roommate in college is a successful biomedical engineer making more than Bells, clv, etc. will ever dream of making in a lifetime....etc. etc. etc.

[pollywag]

How so?

 

 

I already explained how so, please go back and read my post.

 

 

"Only about nine percent of total pregnancies occur in women 35 years or older each year, but about 25% of babies with Down syndrome are born to women in this age group."

 

 

 

I wish I could believe that stat but considering I know a ton of women personlly, in their mid to late thirties who got pregnant no problem, with beautiful healthy babies, I simply don't agree with that.

 

 

Considering women are having babies at a later age, 25% of babies with Down in that age group is insignifcant, it's the same as saying people will die in a plane crash, in other words a very low odd.

 

Personally I doubt it's even 25% so please post a link to current stats. Thanks.

[pollywag]

Why is there this assumption that older men are financially secure? Why is there this assumption that women in their 20s and 30s need a man for financial security?

 

 

Because it is what men like clv and the like tell themselves to feel good about why a special "type" of woman wants to be with them.

Notice he still hasn't answered why he is not married? And he won't because even with "means" he can't seal the deal so what does that tell you?

 

 

Most women in the early professional age group don't need men for financial support now a days. Which is even more reason why those that are looking for someon much older are simply golddigers with no personal aspirations. Make no mistake, women of all ages like to be taken care of and treated like a princess but it takes on a whole other meaning when she can actually bring her own assets to the table, and no I don't mean boobs and a perky butt, I mean intellectual, emotional and material offerings.

[clv0116]

Personally I doubt it's even 25% so please post a link to current stats. Thanks.

 

I doubt the human genome has been significantly altered since the NIH National Institute of Child Health & Human Development did the study in quoted.

[clv0116]

... he won't because even with "means" he can't seal the deal so what does that tell you?

 

Now that's hilarious. If only you had some idea what my life was really like.

[pollywag]

Now that's hilarious. If only you had some idea what my life was really like.

 

 

I think I have a pretty good idea.

But seriously clv, why aren't you married, why all the suspense?

[pollywag]

I doubt the human genome has been significantly altered since the NIH National Institute of Child Health & Human Development did the study in quoted.

 

 

Post your source what's the problem here?I'll post my sources that say 80% of Down babies actually come from women under 35 and in the 20% of women that are over 35 with Down babies they can also attribute the deformities to their male partners who are also older and this is taken into consideration for the malfunction of mutation, yet more proof the male seed is not as good when he gets older.

 

Here you go clv and my sources are current but don't take my word for it have a look for yourself:

 

 

http://www.blisstree.com/articles/why-80-of-babies-with-down-syndrome-are-born-to-women-below-age-35-364/

 

 

http://www.caringforwomyn.com/articles/childless/

 

http://www.ukparentslounge.com/index.php?pg=189&utwkstoryid=869

[burning 4 revenge]

Post your source what's the problem here?I'll post my sources that say 80% of Down babies actually come from women under 35 and in the 20% of women that are over 35 with Down babies they can also attribute the deformities to their male partners who are also older and this is taken into consideration for the malfunction of mutation, yet more proof the male seed is not as good when he gets older.

 

Here you go clv and my sources are current but don't take my word for it have a look for yourself:

 

 

http://www.blisstree.com/articles/why-80-of-babies-with-down-syndrome-are-born-to-women-below-age-35-364/

 

 

http://www.caringforwomyn.com/articles/childless/

 

http://www.ukparentslounge.com/index.php?pg=189&utwkstoryid=869

Why do you women get so ugly as you age?

[Jake Barnes]

Why do you women get so ugly as you age?

It is horrible isn't it

[lord alfred douglas]

It is horrible isn't it

I would say so

[pollywag]

:lmao::lmao:

 

[Cherished]

Ugly like the aging Natasha Richardson was when she died? Good thing life took her now before she got even uglier and haggier as she aged, huh, guys?

[Cherished]

Ugly like all of your mamas?

[burning 4 revenge]

Ugly like the aging Natasha Richardson was when she died? Good thing life took her now before she got even uglier and haggier as she aged, huh, guys?

Thats in bad taste

[Jake Barnes]

Thats in bad taste

It is horrible isnt it?

[lord alfred douglas]

It is horrible isnt it?

I should say so

[clv0116]

Here you go clv and my sources are current but don't take my word for it have a look for yourself

 

From your first source: "More women under the age of 35 are giving birth to Down Syndrome babies because prenatal genetic test for this age group is not mandatory. Hence, the mother would not know before birth (or later into the pregnancy) that the baby has Down Syndrome. Again, it doesn’t mean that younger women are at higher risk for carrying babies with downs. On the contrary, the incidence of down Syndrome increases with maternal age. Women age 35 have a 1/365 risk of carrying a fetus with down syndrome; by age 40 the chance increases to 1 in 109."

 

 

Second source: "The fact is, fertility declines with age faster than modern pop culture has suggested. By age 42, almost 90% of a woman's eggs are chromosomally abnormal, most incapable of being fertilized (and when they are, with a higher rate of abnormal pregnancies). Certainly, the fertility percentage of a woman in her mid 30s is less than 50% of a woman at age 25. A woman's reproductive pinnacle is at age 27, with fertility falling off thereafter. By her late 30s, this percentage is 25%; by 42-43, it's down to less than 5% of her 20-something counterpart. ....The take-home message: choose, or biology will do it for you."

 

 

I didn't bother with the 3rd source. I still trust the National Institute of Health more than a few bloggers.

[Cherished]

Your mama is an ugly hag.

 

 

From your first source: "More women under the age of 35 are giving birth to Down Syndrome babies because prenatal genetic test for this age group is not mandatory. Hence, the mother would not know before birth (or later into the pregnancy) that the baby has Down Syndrome. Again, it doesn’t mean that younger women are at higher risk for carrying babies with downs. On the contrary, the incidence of down Syndrome increases with maternal age. Women age 35 have a 1/365 risk of carrying a fetus with down syndrome; by age 40 the chance increases to 1 in 109."

 

 

Second source: "The fact is, fertility declines with age faster than modern pop culture has suggested. By age 42, almost 90% of a woman's eggs are chromosomally abnormal, most incapable of being fertilized (and when they are, with a higher rate of abnormal pregnancies). Certainly, the fertility percentage of a woman in her mid 30s is less than 50% of a woman at age 25. A woman's reproductive pinnacle is at age 27, with fertility falling off thereafter. By her late 30s, this percentage is 25%; by 42-43, it's down to less than 5% of her 20-something counterpart. ....The take-home message: choose, or biology will do it for you."

 

 

I didn't bother with the 3rd source. I still trust the National Institute of Health more than a few bloggers.

[clv0116]

I think I have a pretty good idea.

But seriously clv, why aren't you married, why all the suspense?

 

I just started dating with a view to marriage very recently, and I'm not gonna rush it too much. I'm dating 3 really sweet women at the moment and of those one is probably not marriage material. Fun, crazy as a bedbug, but not ready for marriage in my opinion. She's 19, the others are 24 and 26 now. The 26 year old is looking pretty promising but time will tell. The 24 yo is cooling off, I'm not sure if it's lack of interest or her way of pushing for exclusivity. She's a pretty straight girl, the only one that won't put out yet, so maybe she's just being hard to get. Interesting personality though, very strong young woman.

 

 

But let's not talk about me mkay? I'm really fine here.

[clv0116]

Your mama is an ugly hag.

 

So much pointless anger. I love my mom. So does my dad, after all, he came back from the USMC and married the homecoming queen. Then they raised a family together and now they are retired and still in love.

 

I want what they have.