All This Talk About Women Aging....

[Jake Barnes]

So much pointless anger. I love my mom. So does my dad, after all, he came back from the USMC and married the homecoming queen. Then they raised a family together and now they are retired and still in love.

 

I want what they have.

Thats Cherishes way of flirting with you

[burning 4 revenge]

Thats Cherishes way of flirting with you

Thats how it looks to me

[lord alfred douglas]

Thats how it looks to me

I should say so

 

BTW do you really love Touche?

[Cherished]

It was recently asked why aging women were so ugly. Your mama is aging, so she is an ugly old hag. Why is that???

The history means nothing and I am prettier than any homecoming queen.

[pollywag]

 

I didn't bother with the 3rd source. I still trust the National Institute of Health more than a few bloggers.

 

 

But you trust my sources enough to quote the parts that appealed to substantiate your stance?

[pollywag]

Wow this is starting to get ugly, I am bowing out.

 

Bowowow woof woof.

[burning 4 revenge]

I never realized that you yourself were a dog until now

 

Thats pretty surreal

 

A dog that can type

 

It makes me want to stop poisoning them

[pollywag]

Don't be so hard on yourself I'm an anomaly, most people think I am just a really ugly fur faced nun. I can't type I have a pet monkey for that.

[clv0116]

But you trust my sources enough to quote the parts that appealed to substantiate your stance?

 

Just humoring you. Here's a tidbit from your 3rd source: "There is a well-recognised association between the age of the mother and the risk of giving birth to a child with Down's syndrome: broadly speaking, the older the mother, the higher the risk.

 

In a pregnant woman of 35 years old, there is about a 1 in 365 chance that the baby will have Down's syndrome. At the age of 40 years, the risk has risen to about 1 in 100; and by the age of 45 the risk is higher still, about 1 in 50. For these reasons, it is usual to offer women over about 35 the opportunity to "screen" the pregnancy for the possibility of this condition.

 

For men, the situation is rather less certain. Most people agree that there does not appear to be an increased risk of fathering a baby with Down's syndrome until after age 55 years. After this age - some researchers have found an increased risk in fathering a baby with Down's syndrome after this age; others have not. In other words, the jury is still out.

 

A generation ago, most babies (over 50%) with Down's syndrome were born to older mothers. At present, the percentage of all babies with Down's syndrome born to women over 35 years is around 20% (although women in this age group account for only around 5% of pregnancies).

 

This is partly because the actual birth rate in older women has plummeted within the past 20- 30 years, for a combination of reasons including a move away from large families (where some women may have become pregnant almost every other year), and the introduction of effective contraception (including sterilisation - still mainly sought by those who feel that their family is now complete). It may also be in part because of pre-natal screening in this age group.

 

However, young women can (and do) give birth to babies with this condition. At the present time, around 80% of Down's children are actually born to younger mothers - under 35 years. Although the risk to an individual is small, about 95% of all babies are born to mothers in this age group."

[Cherished]

Well life is about taking risks. If a man really is in love with a woman and she happens to be 35, he isn't going to let "statistics" about Down's Syndrome babies stop him from pursuing a life with the woman.

You fall in love with who you fall in love with. You spend your life with who you want to spend your life with.

I don't think you guys posting understand that.

A man would rather be with the woman HE loves than rather with someone who doesn't do it for him just because her chances of having a Down's Syndrome baby thing are less.

I hope you men do find true love some day. Then you'll get it.

[Jersey Shortie]

Ironic how there are quite a few guys here that had to twist it around to once again attempt to prove why they think women are worthless after a certain age and have yet to admit or even honestly discuss the facts brought up in my orginal OP. Funny that. Says alot about denial if you ask me.

 

 

I don't feel the need to tear down any women, although I do watch their behaviors - but I do lift the ones that I like.

 

...she's not the sooper young girl with fake boobs, she's just the girl next door who takes care of herself, is comfortable in her own skin and has the capacity to care about someone else

 

Okay but as you can see, many men here do apparently feel the need to tear women down.

[BUENG1]

Ironic how there are quite a few guys here that had to twist it around to once again attempt to prove why they think women are worthless after a certain age and have yet to admit or even honestly discuss the facts brought up in my orginal OP. Funny that. Says alot about denial if you ask me.

 

 

 

Okay but as you can see, many men here do apparently feel the need to tear women down.

 

What facts were presented in your original post? Did you even read the study?

[Jersey Shortie]

Umm, yeap, I read it. Have you?

 

 

Lets see it said: Children of older fathers appear to perform less well in intelligence tests during infancy and childhood, a study by researchers in Australia shows.

 

And said : In contrast, the study found that children with older mothers tended to gain higher scores in the same tests designed to measure the ability to think and reason, including concentration, learning, memory, speaking and reading skills.

It did point out that the consequences for women having children later then life have been examined and that not much is as well known yet about older father's effects on their children.

 

Qoute from article:

 

Recent studies have drawn links between older fathers and specific health problems in their children, including birth deformities and cancer, as well as neuropsychiatric conditions such as autism and schizophrenia.

 

Another qoute:

 

The researchers said the lower scores obtained by offspring of older men may have to do with mutation.

"Unlike a woman's eggs which are formed when she herself is in the womb, a man's sperm accumulates over his lifetime, which previous studies have suggested can mean increased incidence of mutations in the sperm at an older age," they wrote.

The study was published in the open-access journal PLoS Medicine.

[boxing123]

Jersey, IQ tests again? LOL Go check out the race and IQ test thread. Once again, if there is a correlation between IQ and father's age, then there is one with race and IQ as well. IQ tests are accurate, or they are not. Cannot pick and choose.

 

Secondly, your stats provide no numbers.. Nobody even knows where autism comes from. What % of kids with older fathers are schizo? An extra 1 out of a million? 1 out of 100,000?

[clv0116]

Umm, yeap, I read it. Have you?

 

Really? Care to link it? The link provided was a short and fact-less article ABOUT the study. I'd like to see the actual study that you say you read.

[clv0116]

Well life is about taking risks. If a man really is in love with a woman and she happens to be 35 ...

 

Anyone who has grown past being an emotional infant can exercise control over who they do and do not love.

[BUENG1]

Umm, yeap, I read it. Have you?

 

 

Lets see it said: Children of older fathers appear to perform less well in intelligence tests during infancy and childhood, a study by researchers in Australia shows.

 

And said : In contrast, the study found that children with older mothers tended to gain higher scores in the same tests designed to measure the ability to think and reason, including concentration, learning, memory, speaking and reading skills.

It did point out that the consequences for women having children later then life have been examined and that not much is as well known yet about older father's effects on their children.

 

Qoute from article:

 

Recent studies have drawn links between older fathers and specific health problems in their children, including birth deformities and cancer, as well as neuropsychiatric conditions such as autism and schizophrenia.

 

Another qoute:

 

The researchers said the lower scores obtained by offspring of older men may have to do with mutation.

"Unlike a woman's eggs which are formed when she herself is in the womb, a man's sperm accumulates over his lifetime, which previous studies have suggested can mean increased incidence of mutations in the sperm at an older age," they wrote.

The study was published in the open-access journal PLoS Medicine.

 

I was talking about the study, not this article. And the highlighted are not facts.

[blind_otter]

Genetic mutations notwithstanding, the fact is that man can, in fact, inseminate women well into old age. Women, however, cannot conceive and maintain a pregnancy after menopause. In fact, many stop being fertile during perimenopause - before the complete ceassation of menstrual periods.

 

While there may be an increased risk of certain issues with increased paternal age, it is also true that there are concurrent risks associated with maternal age. Beyond that, it is simply impossible for a woman after menopause to conceive a child. An older man can, however, quite easily have an "oops baby."

[c-riouz]

An older man can, however, quite easily have an "oops baby."

 

That doesn't mean that he SHOULD, though. I mean, realistically speaking, a girl CAN have babies from her first period on - around 11 or 12. So does that mean she should become a mother at 12?

[pollywag]

I just started dating with a view to marriage very recently, and I'm not gonna rush it too much. I'm dating 3 really sweet women at the moment and of those one is probably not marriage material. Fun, crazy as a bedbug, but not ready for marriage in my opinion. She's 19, the others are 24 and 26 now. The 26 year old is looking pretty promising but time will tell. The 24 yo is cooling off, I'm not sure if it's lack of interest or her way of pushing for exclusivity. She's a pretty straight girl, the only one that won't put out yet, so maybe she's just being hard to get. Interesting personality though, very strong young woman.

 

 

But let's not talk about me mkay? I'm really fine here.

 

Actually, LET'S talk about you, you are a great example for this thread topic because you are the epitome of the style of man that thinks he can hold out his sperm forever. That he will have the best possibilities to make a family with the most desirable women, to make the best babies, simply because he is a man and he can make money. The whole purpose of this thread is to show men like yourself that there are definite downfalls to waiting around for later years to make children but you have used the entire opportunity to deny the findings and find some way to denigrate this new discovery simply because of this sense of gender superiority that some men like yourself feel. Which coincidentally ties in perfectly with your current single status, and why I asked why you are not married yet.

 

Here you are dating three women simultaneously, all half your age and even in this predicament you still find fault with all three, they are STILL not good enough for you and you still convey dissatisfaction with all three women. Any man who is looking for love would not be dating three women half his age all at the same time and find fault with all three. You are not looking for love clv you are just a slave to the media, the insecurites that plague your mind prevent you from finding real love because you feel you would be "less of a man" unless you are seen with someone half your age on your arm. But the reality is none of those women are good enough for you because you simply can't fall in love with someone that doesn't touch you in a way that your soul needs to be touched. You are looking for fulfill only superficial needs, and your heart simply does not respond to that.

 

Men such as yourself are perpetually going to be single waiting for this unicorn of a woman to enter their lives who is young enough to be legal, smart enough to be a member of MENSA, stable enough financially to not want to take advantage of you, attractive enough to make the cover of VOGUE, horny enough to make the centerfold of Hustler, and emotionally mature enough to be your best friend and caregiver, all the while not speaking a word, because women who talk too much are undesirable and the reality is that she does not exist.

 

When these kinds of men realize this and they are over 50, they will just be another number in the statistic of men who are having "slower" babies. This is just a preliminary study, who knows what else they will find in the future?

[You'reasian]

That he will have the best possibilities to make a family with the most desirable women, to make the best babies, simply because he is a man and he can make money.?

 

Whether we like it or not, this is how many women like it.

 

The whole purpose of this thread is to show men like yourself that there are definite downfalls to waiting around for later years to make children but you have used the entire opportunity to deny the findings and find some way to denigrate this new discovery simply because of this sense of gender superiority that some men like yourself feel. Which coincidentally ties in perfectly with your current single status, and why I asked why you are not married yet.?

 

I'm sure Clv can cover his own defense, but no one has to be married. Marriage is a special union between two people - its not something you have to go out and make happen - relationships are sometimes a chance thing.

 

Here you are dating three women simultaneously, all half your age and even in this predicament you still find fault with all three, they are STILL not good enough for you and you still convey dissatisfaction with all three women. Any man who is looking for love would not be dating three women half his age all at the same time and find fault with all three. You are not looking for love clv you are just a slave to the media, the insecurites that plague your mind prevent you from finding real love because you feel you would be "less of a man" unless you are seen with someone half your age on your arm. But the reality is none of those women are good enough for you because you simply can't fall in love with someone that doesn't touch you in a way that your soul needs to be touched. You are looking for fulfill only superficial needs, and your heart simply does not respond to that.

 

Men such as yourself are perpetually going to be single waiting for this unicorn of a woman to enter their lives who is young enough to be legal, smart enough to be a member of MENSA, stable enough financially to not want to take advantage of you, attractive enough to make the cover of VOGUE, horny enough to make the centerfold of Hustler, and emotionally mature enough to be your best friend and caregiver, all the while not speaking a word, because women who talk too much are undesirable and the reality is that she does not exist.

 

When these kinds of men realize this and they are over 50, they will just be another number in the statistic of men who are having "slower" babies. This is just a preliminary study, who knows what else they will find in the future?

 

Men have preferences. Can a guy help it if he wants the best looking, most compatable, easy going, smartest woman he can find? Why settle?

 

Women who talk too much - well are more compatable with a guy who enjoys listening and is sensitive - you're looking for an ISFP type person, according to myers briggs (I may be a little bit off). Not on a silent, hard type of guy who knows what he wants.

 

My 2 pesos on the subject.

[pollywag]

Whether we like it or not' date=' this is how many women like it.[/quote']

 

I don't know what you mean by that!?!?

 

 

I'm sure Clv can cover his own defense, but no one has to be married. Marriage is a special union between two people - its not something you have to go out and make happen - relationships are sometimes a chance thing.

 

 

You are right, marriage is not the end all be all to prove anything and I think if you are going to marry you should do it for all the right reasons. On the other hand the reason I asked him why he wasn't married yet is because he is middle aged, never been married, always talking about how great his life is with women and how his extremely high demands pay off and yet comes across extremely jaded in his posts. So I would have been happy with him sharing a story of him being in a long term committed relationship with a woman half his age who actually makes him happy. Instead what he gave us was an example of three women he dates simultatneusly who all have something wrong with them, he claims his love life is better than most would see and yet every single time I log on to this site he is on here no matter what day of the week, hour, or time. He may have a great sex life THAT I could be believe but when it comes to love I just don't see much true emotional fullfillment happening here despite what he would like the rest to believe.

 

 

Men have preferences. Can a guy help it if he wants the best looking, most compatable, easy going, smartest woman he can find? Why settle?

 

That doesn't exists with a woman 30 yrs younger than you, it's that simple. Hence why he is still looking and has to date three women at a time who still don't cut it. But you are free to keep looking, just don't tell us you have the right formula for success when you can't even show us your own success.

 

The reason he needs a 19, 24 and 27 year old all at once is because that is what it takes to make up a complete woman mature interesting woman that he should actually be going for given his own age.

[Sam Spade]

Basically both men and women would benefit if they start thinking seriously about marriage before the age of 30. It takes so much effort and luck, and so many different pieces need to fall into place, that even if evertyghing goes to plan, if you meet that one around 30, 35 is the realistic age where you'd be settled enough to have babies. (1 year or so dating, married in year 2 or 3, have 1-2 years of married life to do stuff and set up a home - and voila - 35 at the time of the first baby, already in medically slightly more problematic territory).

 

Both men and women make the huge and unappealing mistake to get stuck in an endless adolescence, and when they awake in their mid- or late- 30s and all of a sudden get the "marriage" itch, things are getting more complicated.

 

That said, it is still true that men probably have 5 more years or so relative to women to get this thing sorted through. Not much, but I think it's fair to say that there is a *minimal* advantage. The disdain, whenever it appears here, is not towards older women in general, but towards 35 year old children who think that they kan keep partying and slutting it out sex and the cfity style, and that someone will show out of the blue and will still want to marry them... (which obviously doesn't apply to nobody here, nor being 35 and not married automatically means that you've squandered your youth )

[pollywag]

Sam Spade I agree with your entire post, well said!

 

 

I would like to add if you don't mind, that not all people who reach 35 unattached, do so because they were slutting around and partying. Sometimes people had their hearts in the right place but their heads were not. Or some people devoted a lot of time to relationships they should have not, others chose to focus on their careers and before they knew it they were 35 and single somewhat out of touch with themselves. Every story is different

 

But the sure sign that a person is stuck in perpetual teen mode is that if they do reach 35 and still expect to get the kinds of partners you would when you were 19 but expect the benefits of someone 35 with the body, youth and looks of someone 19 then you have not matured. This dysmorphic expectation is what differentiates those who never grew up from those who simply placed imporance in things other than marriage and starting a family in younger years but not necessariy partying and sleeping around.

[clv0116]

Whether we like it or not, this is how many women like it.

 

....

 

Men have preferences. Can a guy help it if he wants the best looking, most compatable, easy going, smartest woman he can find? Why settle?

 

Well it's my opinion that everyone settles for the best they can get just as everyone settles for being the best they can personally be. There's no shame in it.

 

Also you are correct, no shortage of women who love the idea of being more traditional.