Why do women get mad when men speak honestly

[Cherished]

Haven't followed this thread too much but I see men getting more irate when you try to tell them the truth about something.

[Cherished]

Tons of women 35 and over get married, that's ridiculous.

 

 

If you 'think' (term used loosely) that a rapidly diminishing pool of single men of the age that is statistically likely to marry a woman age 35 or above does not constitute a tough sell, well I probably can't help you.

 

Most men over 35 who are not confirmed bachelors have already been married. Most women 35 or over who get married will be married by men older than they are. Thus, not many women over 35 will be married by single men. That is practically the definition of a tough sell.

[mr.dream merchant]

That's what you were saying you would do.

 

 

 

 

Please, most men would have a cow.

 

No it really isn't what I said. I'm not going to the strip club to feign ignorance of the situation. Of course a stripper is going to come up to me and sit in my lap. I can't stop that. What I can do is disengage from that encounter by telling her I'm not interested. This would not include smiling, flirting with her, reciprocating the physical contact (if any). Again its your choice to limit and place restrictions on your SO when you finally do land one Jersey Shortie. But we all know that's not the best way to go about things, but instead to be reasonable. Regardless of the place or time, your SO will look at, and appreciate another woman's body. And that's just a fact of life.

 

I've never understood a certain few females vendetta against strip clubs and porn. What's the threat?

[Woggle]

The one area that I do have to stick up for women is the age thing. The idea that women are no longer suitable partners after 35 is absurd.

[Jersey Shortie]

No it really isn't what I said. I'm not going to the strip club to feign ignorance of the situation. Of course a stripper is going to come up to me and sit in my lap. I can't stop that.

 

And this time around it doesn't make the argument sound any more ridiculous then last time when you tried your best to rationlize it.

 

You are responsible for your actions. Point blank. The minute a man that is engaged in a monogmous relationship awarely puts himself in a situation that is open to other women sexually, he looses a little respect and trust in his ability to make good choices. It'ts rather ridiculous to say that you are going to invite that kind of attention to begin with (and you are inviting it the minute you walk into a strip club), put yourself in a situatoin that is open to that attention, and then be all "nobel" and do the right thing afterwards by ignoring the strippers. Why even go in the first place? Probably because you do get something out of it and like the attention the women give you and are on some level seeking that out. Which is pretty desrespectful to your partner. You're actions say more then your words and if a man were really honorable, a man wouldn't put himself in that situation to begin with. But to put himself in that situation and then say he will do the honorable thing is th lamest cop out I ever heard.

 

I can do is disengage from that encounter by telling her I'm not interested

 

Why even put yourself in that situation to begin with? You obviously are interested on some level in something when you decide to walk into a strip joint. You obviously like the attention on some level otherwise you wouldn't go at all. You go by a man's actions, not his words. If you want to hang out with your friends, there are a number of places to do it without strip clubs. Don't make the strip club an excuse to go see your friends because what you really want to do is see other women, put yourself in a sexually charged environment (and any situation where the women are not dressed or hardly dressed with men is going to be sexually charged), and then shame your partner into thinking she is the wrong for being bothered by your disrespectful actions. Funny too since you are the guy that was complaining about how your ex didn't respect what you wanted. You don't even want to respect what women want. You get what you deserve. Respecting what your partner wants is a two way street.

 

 

This would not include smiling, flirting with her, reciprocating the physical contact (if any).

 

Doesn't really matter, it doesn't take away from the fact that you are initally choosing to put yourself in that situation. YOU. You can't control what the strippers do but once you invite that situation, it's YOUR responsiblity. Extremely ridiculous to use the weak justification that you can't help what the strippers do when you are the one that went into the strip joint in the first place. But at least I don't have to date you. At least it won't be me you're treating desrespectfully..just your own partner unforunte for her.

 

Again its your choice to limit and place restrictions on your SO when you finally do land one Jersey Shortie. But we all know that's not the best way to go about things, but instead to be reasonable. Regardless of the place or time, your SO will look at, and appreciate another woman's body. And that's just a fact of life.

 

It's your choice to abuse your position in the relationship and treat your partner with desrespect as well. Noticing a pretty woman on the street and putting himself in a sexual situation with other women are two different things. Just because men like naked women isn't justifcation to derespect your partner and seek naked women out for your own personal gratification.

 

I've never understood a certain few females vendetta against strip clubs and porn. What's the threat?

 

What is certain few male's glorifcation and dedication to said strip clubs and porn as well? If you don't understand the issues here then you don't understand biology and women very well.

 

 

Haven't followed this thread too much but I see men getting more irate when you try to tell them the truth about something.

[carhill]

Honestly, IME, many men engage in certain "bad" behaviors strictly to piss off their partner and keep her emotions engaged. When she's pissed at him about the strip club, her mind is on him. Then, he comes home, says "oh, baby, you know you're the only one for me" or some such sappy crap, gives her a good effing and she's locked up for another month of oxytocin fix. This can go on for years or for an entire marriage.

 

I've called female friends on this issue a number of times over the years and, yep, guess what? Read the thread title

[clv0116]

Tons of women 35 and over get married, that's ridiculous.

 

Single men. Words mean things.

[mr.dream merchant]

And this time around it doesn't make the argument sound any more ridiculous then last time when you tried your best to rationlize it.

 

You are responsible for your actions. Point blank. The minute a man that is engaged in a monogmous relationship awarely puts himself in a situation that is open to other women sexually, he looses a little respect and trust in his ability to make good choices. It'ts rather ridiculous to say that you are going to invite that kind of attention to begin with (and you are inviting it the minute you walk into a strip club), put yourself in a situatoin that is open to that attention, and then be all "nobel" and do the right thing afterwards by ignoring the strippers. Why even go in the first place? Probably because you do get something out of it and like the attention the women give you and are on some level seeking that out. Which is pretty desrespectful to your partner. You're actions say more then your words and if a man were really honorable, a man wouldn't put himself in that situation to begin with. But to put himself in that situation and then say he will do the honorable thing is th lamest cop out I ever heard.

 

 

 

Why even put yourself in that situation to begin with? You obviously are interested on some level in something when you decide to walk into a strip joint. You obviously like the attention on some level otherwise you wouldn't go at all. You go by a man's actions, not his words. If you want to hang out with your friends, there are a number of places to do it without strip clubs. Don't make the strip club an excuse to go see your friends because what you really want to do is see other women, put yourself in a sexually charged environment (and any situation where the women are not dressed or hardly dressed with men is going to be sexually charged), and then shame your partner into thinking she is the wrong for being bothered by your disrespectful actions. Funny too since you are the guy that was complaining about how your ex didn't respect what you wanted. You don't even want to respect what women want. You get what you deserve. Respecting what your partner wants is a two way street.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't really matter, it doesn't take away from the fact that you are initally choosing to put yourself in that situation. YOU. You can't control what the strippers do but once you invite that situation, it's YOUR responsiblity. Extremely ridiculous to use the weak justification that you can't help what the strippers do when you are the one that went into the strip joint in the first place. But at least I don't have to date you. At least it won't be me you're treating desrespectfully..just your own partner unforunte for her.

 

 

 

It's your choice to abuse your position in the relationship and treat your partner with desrespect as well. Noticing a pretty woman on the street and putting himself in a sexual situation with other women are two different things. Just because men like naked women isn't justifcation to derespect your partner and seek naked women out for your own personal gratification.

 

 

 

What is certain few male's glorifcation and dedication to said strip clubs and porn as well? If you don't understand the issues here then you don't understand biology and women very well.

 

 

Haven't followed this thread too much but I see men getting more irate when you try to tell them the truth about something.

 

Rofl. I'm done talking to you. If you're so insecure to the point that you can't even stand your SO looking at other women besides yourself, you've got a life long road of personal problems ahead of you. Good luck with that.

[Jersey Shortie]

Mr. Dream...that just shows how uncapable you are of actually reading a post and responding logically to it. Since I actually made the specific point to say that I can understand a man looking at and noticing an attractive woman in the street, I believe you are unable to intelligently discuss this topic and know I have you backed into a corner. So instead of logically and opening discussing you resort to trying to shame me and put me down. For a man that is so concerned with women shaming him for his opinions and not liking when his ex was unconcered about the way he felt, even if she didn't feel the same way, you are quite the cosumate hypocrite on this topic. Good luck with that.

 

Honestly, IME, many men engage in certain "bad" behaviors strictly to piss off their partner and keep her emotions engaged. When she's pissed at him about the strip club, her mind is on him. Then, he comes home, says "oh, baby, you know you're the only one for me" or some such sappy crap, gives her a good effing and she's locked up for another month of oxytocin fix. This can go on for years or for an entire marriage.

 

I've called female friends on this issue a number of times over the years and, yep, guess what? Read the thread title

 

Why would they want to piss their partner off or make her feel bad??? Geez Carhill, I never thought of it like that.

[carhill]

This is the essence of cognition versus attraction. This is exactly why I've be largely unsuccessful with women for the majority of my life. I deal with them as equals and on a more cognitive level. Successful lovers deal with women on an emotional level and keep the woman always wanting more of that stimulation. I watch what women say they want and what they reach for. Their actions rarely lie. Words, well, the proverbial rug comes to mind

[mr.dream merchant]

This is the essence of cognition versus attraction. This is exactly why I've be largely unsuccessful with women for the majority of my life. I deal with them as equals and on a more cognitive level. Successful lovers deal with women on an emotional level and keep the woman always wanting more of that stimulation. I watch what women say they want and what they reach for. Their actions rarely lie. Words, well, the proverbial rug comes to mind

 

Gotta peep em by their actions. I see it all the time "my BF is such an *******! god! blah blah blah" Where are they that night? In the backseat of their BF's car givin it up.

[carhill]

I will add that this observation (cognition versus attraction), held up as a mirror, instructed me that I was paying attention to women who are/were incompatible with me. So, when I see such signs now, I nod with understanding that our paths will never converge. Acceptance

[mr.dream merchant]

I will add that this observation (cognition versus attraction), held up as a mirror, instructed me that I was paying attention to women who are/were incompatible with me. So, when I see such signs now, I nod with understanding that our paths will never converge. Acceptance

 

How'd you handle the clingers though?

[carhill]

Charmin with Aloe

[Jersey Shortie]

I deal with them as equals and on a more cognitive level. Successful lovers deal with women on an emotional level and keep the woman always wanting more of that stimulation. I watch what women say they want and what they reach for. Their actions rarely lie. Words, well, the proverbial rug comes to mind

 

Well we don't want to be mistreated but we don't want someone that makes us feel like he is our brother either.

[carhill]

Is a guy who appreciates the beauty of other women mistreating you? After all, he's with you, professes his love to you, supports you emotionally and financially and has sex only with you. I can tell you, looking on at my male peers, this is a clear sign of a dominant male. He surveys women as potentials but commits to one. That said, his eye is always on the potentials. Women compete with each other for his attention. They have little interest in those males who have eyes only for them. Socio-sexual popularity. I've seen this most poignantly while married. Suddenly, I was popular with women

[mr.dream merchant]

Is a guy who appreciates the beauty of other women mistreating you? After all, he's with you, professes his love to you, supports you emotionally and financially and has sex only with you. I can tell you, looking on at my male peers, this is a clear sign of a dominant male. He surveys women as potentials but commits to one. That said, his eye is always on the potentials. Women compete with each other for his attention. They have little interest in those males who have eyes only for them. Socio-sexual popularity. I've seen this most poignantly while married. Suddenly, I was popular with women

 

To me? Not at all. My current GF was going to go to a bachelorette party when we first started dating. I had no problem at all. Being around strippers doesn't constitute disrespect, infidelity, or other negative thing one would like to tie to the scenario. By being in a strip club it does not tie you to those labels. What if I go for my brother's birthday? My closest friend's birthday? Cause a stripper comes up to me and asks me if I want a lap dance I'm a pig? I'm disrespecting my GF? Yeah maybe if I accept her lapdance, or maybe if I flirt around with her - but if I decline politely and keep it moving then no, not at all. I'm simply there to enjoy the moment with close friends and family. It may be hard for others to see but its more of a comradery thing for me. I can get plenty of ass and tits from my GF or if I was an unfaithful ass, from lots of other females who are interested in me, not my money, ie. outside of the strip club, so I'm not there for that. I'm there to enjoy a night out with people who I hold close to me. If my GF has a problem with it, fine, I'll invite her out. Lol I really can't see it or understand what the big deal is. Because I set foot into a strip club I'm disrespecting and unfaithful to my GF? Nah duke, I'm not seeing it.

 

This reminds me of when my GF was telling me that I'm not allowed to have strippers at my Bachelor party if we get married. While I tried to assure her the strippers aren't for me, but more for my friends and fam, she still held to it. Then she said if there's strippers then she's going to be there. Lmao. I asked her why she has a vendetta against strippers and you know what she said? "Because so many guys cheat on their wives/gf's with strippers because strippers are gross whores". I couldn't help but laugh. A woman who's making ends meet by any means isn't necessarily a whore to me, and in any event, just because I'm around a stripper, does not mean I'm going to commit infidelity. If I was the one to commit infidelity I would not buy it from a stripper, or even make eye contact with that because I don't know what that stripper has. I don't get what makes a woman think that if another woman has no clothes on around her BF/Husband that he won't be able to fight temptation. There's so many ifs and buts about strippers that it turns me off for days. I wouldn't even want to get close and personal with one just for that fact that she could have something real nasty and deadly and because she's only there for money. Why the stigma with strippers/strip clubs ladies?

[Sam Spade]

This is the most inane butch of drivel I ever heard. You talk about shaming but that's exactly what you are attempting to do to this poster. Christ. Cut us women a break. Putting yourself in a sexual situation with other women and THEN asking why she feels insecure about the situation is ridiculous. Why don't you try doing the right thing first and not demanding your girl cater to your whims of fancy because you want a free pass for the night to act like a douche. You want to go to a bar with yoru buddies to blow of steam? Please do. You want to go have fun with naked women who will flirt with you, validate you as a man and have fun with other, don't be ignorant in understanding why this creates anixety. And pulling the "you don't trust your SO" card is really lame. You wan to know why? Because people in a relationship either do things that makes their partner trust them or not. It's not a free pass you get to go off and behave anyway you please under the pretense that it's about trust. Trusting a man and what his acts do are one and the same. Don't demand your SO not feel axienty when you knowingly are putting yourself in a position to be flirted with and have physical contact with other women. That's not about trust. It's about you being selfish , wanting the strip club and wanting to shame your SO into being okay with it because your pleasure in the strip club is more important then her feelings on the issue. You talked earlier about your ex not having any regard for the way you felt. You need to look at yourself and your lack or regard for yoru partner. How would you like if if your girlfriend was sitting on a nother guys lap half naked? Would you be okay with it?

 

 

You can't control other people's action. You can only control your own. And a man can control himself not to go to strip clubs. but going to on and then saying you can't control what the strippers do is so ludicris an argument. Man up and take some responsiblity.

 

I've been to strip clubs *with* and without my girlfriend. Either way, no big deal. Problem solved .

 

The controling tendencies I glean form your posts outstrip my own by thousands of miles, so they have some therapeutical values, after all . No offense, but you keep walking around telling people how they should feel and think. It is one thing to rant, and another, to be on a mission to change people's thinking . If you've got issue with strip clubs - fine, your prerogative. But to go on extended tirades how this signifies irreconsilable moral decay and disrespect is borderline fascist .

[mr.dream merchant]

And what's all this about needing to feel like a man? Or not acting like a "real" man? There is no "real" man. There's YOUR kind of man. That's about it, for every female. And please, I do not feel any manlier being in a strip club than when I let my GF do my eyebrows for fun. Nor do I need to be in a strip club to have flirtacious encounters with the female gender. Not that I seek it out, but by belittling me you're only going to look even crazier than your blanket statements and assumptions already seem. Not every guy who attends a strip club while in a committed relationship is a "bad guy". Lol, I dunno what else to tell ya. Self esteem problems? Insecurities? I have no idea.

[Jersey Shortie]

Well, yes. I think men that need to fight and hollar about their right to strip joints do have insecurity issues with themselves. Real men act like men.

 

 

To me? Not at all. My current GF was going to go to a bachelorette party when we first started dating. I had no problem at all.

 

Most women aren't turned on by male strippers as men are turned on by female strippers. Regardless, while in a relationship, I have no issue not going to strip joints and no issue going if my SO wasn't cool with it. He is what is important to me.

 

Being around strippers doesn't constitute disrespect, infidelity, or other negative thing one would like to tie to the scenario.

 

You are purposely putting yourself in a situation that is sexual in nature with other women that are there to make money off of the men there. THis isn't quatum physics.

 

By being in a strip club it does not tie you to those labels. What if I go for my brother's birthday? My closest friend's birthday?

 

What does who you go with family member or not matter? Does that take away from the fact that the place is still a place meant to be sexual in nature with other women? Nope.

 

Cause a stripper comes up to me and asks me if I want a lap dance I'm a pig? I'm disrespecting my GF? Yeah maybe if I accept her lapdance, or maybe if I flirt around with her - but if I decline politely and keep it moving then no, not at all.

 

Putting yourself in the position in the first place is desrespectful.

 

 

I'm simply there to enjoy the moment with close friends and family. It may be hard for others to see but its more of a comradery thing for me.

 

Then go to a restuarant, a bar a sporting event. There are millions of other places to go and bond. If it truly is about the comradery.

 

 

I can get plenty of ass and tits from my GF or if I was an unfaithful ass, from lots of other females who are interested in me, not my money, ie. outside of the strip club, so I'm not there for that. I'm there to enjoy a night out with people who I hold close to me.

 

They why wouldn't you go to another venue that didn't put you in the position in the first place to decline other women offering sexual services, from the tame lap dance to something more explicit.

 

If my GF has a problem with it, fine, I'll invite her out. Lol I really can't see it or understand what the big deal is. Because I set foot into a strip club I'm disrespecting and unfaithful to my GF? Nah duke, I'm not seeing it.

 

What about if your girlfriend was stripping? Not touching other men just liked them looking at her?

 

This reminds me of when my GF was telling me that I'm not allowed to have strippers at my Bachelor party if we get married. While I tried to assure her the strippers aren't for me, but more for my friends and fam, she still held to it.

 

You're hiding behide your friends and family. She is smart enough to see this. YOu know what is funny is that you didn't like it when your ex girlfriend didn't care about how you felt about the temp. in the car. Yet you don't seem to care about how your gf feels about strippers and are hiding behind the excuse of your family and friends to allow it. I have brought this up serveral times and each time you side step it because you know I am right. You wanted consideration for how you felt. Too bad you can't give the same to a woman.

 

 

Then she said if there's strippers then she's going to be there. Lmao. I asked her why she has a vendetta against strippers and you know what she said? "Because so many guys cheat on their wives/gf's with strippers because strippers are gross whores". I couldn't help but laugh.

 

Another good example that her feelings were laughable to you while you demand your feelings be important. Ironic that you complained of this before about the lack of consideration for you but can't give the same in return.

 

A woman who's making ends meet by any means isn't necessarily a whore to me, and in any event, just because I'm around a stripper, does not mean I'm going to commit infidelity.

 

Putting yourself in the situation to begin with says alot about a man.

 

I don't get what makes a woman think that if another woman has no clothes on around her BF/Husband that he won't be able to fight temptation.

 

Some think that he will cheat, some just don't like the fact that their bf husband would disrespect them and their relationship by letting his desire to see other naked women overule the respect that should be in the relationship. Regardless, you made a big stink about ex girlfriends not caring about your needs and here you are with little regard and laughing at your girlfriend for hers and hiding behind the lamest justifcations in teh book.

 

Why would a man put himself in the position to fight temptation to begin with? Truly good men take themselves out of those situation to begin with. They don't dabble in them, reassure their partner how good a man are but gleen the pleasure they can from dabbling on the boarderline of appropiateness.

 

There's so many ifs and buts about strippers that it turns me off for days. I wouldn't even want to get close and personal with one just for that fact that she could have something real nasty and deadly and because she's only there for money. Why the stigma with strippers/strip clubs ladies?

 

Omg, you ask why the stigma's after you make the comment that she could have something nasty stripping for money...helllo McFly.

 

What it comes down to is you care about what you want and need first. Your girlfriend second. Earlier you complained about an ex that had little regard about what you cared about. Good luck with that. See how long that makes your current gf happy. SHe will leave you in 5 years with that outlook.

 

Lets see how many more times Mr.Dream ignores his own words about the lack of respect an ex had for him for not caring about his feelings even if she didn't feel the same way and the way he likes to obvviously bamboozle over his partner's feelings because his are more important either way.

 

 

It is one thing to rant, and another, to be on a mission to change people's thinking . If you've got issue with strip clubs - fine, your prerogative. But to go on extended tirades how this signifies irreconsilable moral decay and disrespect is borderline fascist .

 

Shouldn't you be speaking to your friend Mr. Dream about tirades..or is only the women you seek out to try and shame for giving rational logic.

[Woggle]

Women claim to want to be treated as equals but the men who do that are the ones they seem to lose attraction to. Was the attempt over the past couple of decades to remake manhood come cruel joke or something? It seems that the men who ignored this and kept being who they wanted to be were the ones that were the most successful with women.

[mr.dream merchant]

Well, yes. I think men that need to fight and hollar about their right to strip joints do have insecurity issues with themselves. Real men act like men.

 

 

 

 

Most women aren't turned on by male strippers as men are turned on by female strippers. Regardless, while in a relationship, I have no issue not going to strip joints and no issue going if my SO wasn't cool with it. He is what is important to me.

 

 

 

You are purposely putting yourself in a situation that is sexual in nature with other women that are there to make money off of the men there. THis isn't quatum physics.

 

 

 

What does who you go with family member or not matter? Does that take away from the fact that the place is still a place meant to be sexual in nature with other women? Nope.

 

 

 

Putting yourself in the position in the first place is desrespectful.

 

 

 

Then go to a restuarant, a bar a sporting event. There are millions of other places to go and bond. If it truly is about the comradery.

 

 

 

 

They why wouldn't you go to another venue that didn't put you in the position in the first place to decline other women offering sexual services, from the tame lap dance to something more explicit.

 

 

 

What about if your girlfriend was stripping? Not touching other men just liked them looking at her?

 

 

 

You're hiding behide your friends and family. She is smart enough to see this. YOu know what is funny is that you didn't like it when your ex girlfriend didn't care about how you felt about the temp. in the car. Yet you don't seem to care about how your gf feels about strippers and are hiding behind the excuse of your family and friends to allow it. I have brought this up serveral times and each time you side step it because you know I am right. You wanted consideration for how you felt. Too bad you can't give the same to a woman.

 

 

 

 

Another good example that her feelings were laughable to you while you demand your feelings be important. Ironic that you complained of this before about the lack of consideration for you but can't give the same in return.

 

 

 

Putting yourself in the situation to begin with says alot about a man.

 

 

 

Some think that he will cheat, some just don't like the fact that their bf husband would disrespect them and their relationship by letting his desire to see other naked women overule the respect that should be in the relationship. Regardless, you made a big stink about ex girlfriends not caring about your needs and here you are with little regard and laughing at your girlfriend for hers and hiding behind the lamest justifcations in teh book.

 

Why would a man put himself in the position to fight temptation to begin with? Truly good men take themselves out of those situation to begin with. They don't dabble in them, reassure their partner how good a man are but gleen the pleasure they can from dabbling on the boarderline of appropiateness.

 

 

 

Omg, you ask why the stigma's after you make the comment that she could have something nasty stripping for money...helllo McFly.

 

What it comes down to is you care about what you want and need first. Your girlfriend second. Earlier you complained about an ex that had little regard about what you cared about. Good luck with that. See how long that makes your current gf happy. SHe will leave you in 5 years with that outlook.

 

Lets see how many more times Mr.Dream ignores his own words about the lack of respect an ex had for him for not caring about his feelings even if she didn't feel the same way and the way he likes to obvviously bamboozle over his partner's feelings because his are more important either way.

 

 

 

 

Shouldn't you be speaking to your friend Mr. Dream about tirades..or is only the women you seek out to try and shame for giving rational logic.

 

Grasping for thin air in this post Jersey . Couple of last points I want to make before I let sleeping dogs lie.

 

1. She's not an ex, she's still in my life and thoroughly enjoying her relationship with me.

 

2. The bout in the car with her was about not compromising on things we don't agree on. In the case of the strip club, I'd invite her out to attend it with me since she's not okay with me being there without her. Knowing my GF, she'd attend and enjoy the company of friends and family just as much as I, regardless of the naked women around. Yeah, she has a bit of self-confidence and some security. And if it comes up, I'd have her at my Bachelor Party as well.

 

3. While I admire your attempt to try and compare the two situations, my GF stripping for a male audience and me being at a strip club for a friend/family member's special occasion (only time I'd be there) are not similar. I'd like to explain but I'm sure yourself and others can see the difference here.

 

4. A real man is what you perceive him to be. I could just as easily sit here and spout all kinds of **** about a real woman embracing her SO to enjoy his time out with his friends at a strip club. Or that a "real" man would do what he wants to, not letting his SO hinder or control his actions. I won't, because there is no "real" man or woman. Only what you expect them to be. In your case JS, you want a man who will comfort your insecurities. Nothing wrong with that at all, but when you belittle every other male out there who doesn't see anything wrong with enjoying a night out with his friends at a strip club (while not committing any form or act of infidelity) as not being a "real" man, its hard to take what you post for anything more than a very jaded, hurt, and angry grain of salt.

 

5. To say anybody is longing, lusting, yearning for, fighting a huge temptation/desire to see nude women dance because they don't see anything wrong with remaining faithful to their SO while having fun with friends and family at a strip club, is a long shot at the least.

 

Like Sam Spade said earlier, whatever kind of vendetta you have against strip clubs, and strippers, and "real" men, lol, its your prerogative. But good luck with that prerogative, seriously, good luck. :lmao:

[headlesschicken]

Yeah and so are the blowjobs and everything else that goes down at strip joints.

 

well yeah, it's all about money, they're not giving blowjobs or having sex for free.

[headlesschicken]

SOME Women claim to want to be treated as equals but the men who do that are the ones SOME WOMEN seem to lose attraction to. Was the attempt over the past couple of decades to remake manhood come cruel joke or something? It seems that SOME men who ignored this and kept being who they wanted to be were the ones that were the most successful with SOME women.

that's better. really how hard is it to qualify your statements? blanket statements display only ignorance and willful disregard of the facts.

[Jersey Shortie]

1. She's not an ex, she's still in my life and thoroughly enjoying her relationship with me.

 

In previous posts you said that girl from the car situation was an ex.

 

 

3. While I admire your attempt to try and compare the two situations, my GF stripping for a male audience and me being at a strip club for a friend/family member's special occasion (only time I'd be there) are not similar. I'd like to explain but I'm sure yourself and others can see the difference here.

 

What if she stripped for your family and friends then? Made a close family afair to bring everyone together..I think it sounds like a wonderful idea.

 

More seriously, no need to explain anything. It's fairly obvious what your doing here. Hiding behind the guise of family and friends. As if you can't spend time with family and friends outside of strip clubs. The only one you are fooling is yourself.

 

4. A real man is what you perceive him to be.

 

A real man is someone who acts like a man, not a little boy.

 

 

 

In your case JS, you want a man who will comfort your insecurities

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yay, I was waiting for the part where we get to tell each other what we think the other wants. And you want a relationship where your woman will pander to your whims, even if those whims mean putting yourself in sexual situations with other women because your a "man" after all. And that's about your own insecurities.

 

Nothing wrong with that at all, but when you belittle every other male out there who doesn't see anything wrong with enjoying a night out with his friends at a strip club (while not committing any form or act of infidelity) as not being a "real" man, its hard to take what you post for anything more than a very jaded, hurt, and angry grain of salt.

 

Spare me your attempt at trying to shame my opinon. You are one to talk about belittling the other sex. Why isn't a man able to enjoy a night out with his friends at other venues? I mean seriously, you make it pathetically sound like the only option a man has to spend some time with his other friends is by going to strip clubs. Most ridiculous. Don't worry, I fully expect you not to anser this because there is no possible way you can with previous arguments you made still standing.

 

To say anybody is longing, lusting, yearning for, fighting a huge temptation/desire to see nude women dance because they don't see anything wrong with remaining faithful to their SO while having fun with friends and family at a strip club, is a long shot at the least

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First, this sentence doesn't even make sense. I mean you really love to throw in the friends adn family comments but fail to answer why you and your friends and family can't find other less sexual places to go if you want to spend time togther. A man putting him in a sexual enviroment with other women is desrespecting his partner. Simple really. And seriously, the purpose of strip joints is to turn men on and sell sex. To then turn around and say men are not lusting or yearing to see or be with these women is really lame.

 

Like Sam Spade said earlier, whatever kind of vendetta you have against strip clubs, and strippers, and "real" men, lol, its your prerogative. But good luck with that prerogative, seriously, good luck.

 

I wish you good luck too. Good luck with your obvious own vendetta and derespect for the needs of your partner over the needs of yourself and the scapegoat paraphrasing.