Why do women get mad when men speak honestly

[mr.dream merchant]

All porn is not degrading. I have always said that I have no issue with a woman going to a male revue club or watching porn. I would much rather she do that than start hanging with a bunch of manhating friends who want to destroy our marriage and there are women like that. The funny thing is that if I took issue with her having friends like that I would be a controlling jerk but if I want to simply look at a playboy or go to a strip club with the guys she has every right to try and control my actions.

 

Aint that some ****? Judge em by their actions not their words. Go to the strip club with the guys, or look at the playboy. Even when she tries to command you not to. She'll still be there when you get back or put the playboy down. Its hilarious how some women enter your life and try to control everything. That **** makes me want to rebel even more just to show them that they aren't runnin **** but their mouth and my patience.

[Woggle]

If this is the way you feel then you are not one of the women I have a problem with but I remember my father and I being the controlling jerks when we took issue with our ex's friends. I see how some of my wife's coworkes claim that she is a stepford wife who is my slave because she won't join their little affair club. We are supposed to twist ourselves in any way a woman wants because to otherwise is not respecting her but ask her to respect us and we are controlling and possesive. I think some women hate the fact that I am not afraid to call them out on stuff like this.

[donnamaybe]

If this is the way you feel then you are not one of the women I have a problem with but I remember my father and I being the controlling jerks when we took issue with our ex's friends. I see how some of my wife's coworkes claim that she is a stepford wife who is my slave because she won't join their little affair club. We are supposed to twist ourselves in any way a woman wants because to otherwise is not respecting her but ask her to respect us and we are controlling and possesive. I think some women hate the fact that I am not afraid to call them out on stuff like this.

 

No, Woggle, I LIKE that you call them out on stuff like that! It's wrong for people to treat each other the way you describe these women. Your message would be HEARD, though, if you say it in a way that doesn't piss people off. And I would HOPE that your wife wouldn't need to be told to NOT join in with those bickering biddies. From what you say, it doesn't sound like you would need to worry about her.

[Woggle]

No, Woggle, I LIKE that you call them out on stuff like that! It's wrong for people to treat each other the way you describe these women. Your message would be HEARD, though, if you say it in a way that doesn't piss people off. And I would HOPE that your wife wouldn't need to be told to NOT join in with those bickering biddies. From what you say, it doesn't sound like you would need to worry about her.

 

If you are like you say you are then why do you get offended by what I say? I know I don't have to worry about my wife but some women I know feel she is a stepford wife just because she is faithful. It's this attitude that just pisses me off.

[mr.dream merchant]

If this is the way you feel then you are not one of the women I have a problem with but I remember my father and I being the controlling jerks when we took issue with our ex's friends. I see how some of my wife's coworkes claim that she is a stepford wife who is my slave because she won't join their little affair club. We are supposed to twist ourselves in any way a woman wants because to otherwise is not respecting her but ask her to respect us and we are controlling and possesive. I think some women hate the fact that I am not afraid to call them out on stuff like this.

 

Perfect example. My GF and I are in the car. I'm hot so I put the AC on, she then says she's cold and turns the AC off. Mind you this is MY car. I'm like, okay, let me adjust the temperature so we can find a compromise cause I'm not going to be sitting in my car dying of heat because you're cold. I adjust the temperature right at the middle, its neither hot nor cold, just right. She cuts the AC off. "I'm cold I said!" Then I turn to her and tell her its my car she can get out if she's cold because I'm hot. She then takes the keys OUT OF THE IGNITION. I'm just looking at her like "Wow this chick has really lost her mind" I go "Baby, give me the keys" She says no. I ask again a second time. She says no. I ask again a third time, mind you I'm being polite. She says no then asks "What are you gonna do about it?" So I just grab the keys out of her hand with a little bit of force and she says "Wow you're an abusive BF, I won't be surprised when you start striking me." Lmao. I wasn't even upset, just rolling at how ridiculous some women can be, and men to. The whole point of this story. Some women will do whatever they want but when you do it you're in the wrong. That's a load of **** and when you catch your woman doing that you put her in her place, and that's as an equal, not a superior.

[donnamaybe]

Perfect example. My GF and I are in the car. I'm hot so I put the AC on, she then says she's cold and turns the AC off. Mind you this is MY car. I'm like, okay, let me adjust the temperature so we can find a compromise cause I'm not going to be sitting in my car dying of heat because you're cold. I adjust the temperature right at the middle, its neither hot nor cold, just right. She cuts the AC off. "I'm cold I said!" Then I turn to her and tell her its my car she can get out if she's cold because I'm hot. She then takes the keys OUT OF THE IGNITION. I'm just looking at her like "Wow this chick has really lost her mind" I go "Baby, give me the keys" She says no. I ask again a second time. She says no. I ask again a third time, mind you I'm being polite. She says no then asks "What are you gonna do about it?" So I just grab the keys out of her hand with a little bit of force and she says "Wow you're an abusive BF, I won't be surprised when you start striking me." Lmao. I wasn't even upset, just rolling at how ridiculous some women can be, and men to. The whole point of this story. Some women will do whatever they want but when you do it you're in the wrong. That's a load of **** and when you catch your woman doing that you put her in her place, and that's as an equal, not a superior.

 

When a woman acts THAT way, you dump her azz! Good gawd!

[Porn_Guy]

i find that some women have big problems with understanding humor or sarcasm. they take things too serious and get offended easily, even if someone was just joking around.

[donnamaybe]

If you are like you say you are then why do you get offended by what I say? I know I don't have to worry about my wife but some women I know feel she is a stepford wife just because she is faithful. It's this attitude that just pisses me off.

 

Because, as a woman, you are also talking about me and many of the wonderful women I know. Please confine your bashing to the SPECIFIC women who are exhibiting these behaviors, if you MUST continually bash them over and over and over. We get it already.

[mr.dream merchant]

When a woman acts THAT way, you dump her azz! Good gawd!

 

Yeah or you just let them know you don't play that ****. She doesn't touch **** in my car anymore. She asks.

[Woggle]

I don't even kow why you are with a woman like that. I do believe that women are just as intelligent, strong, capable and rational as men so that is why I have little tolerance for women who act like irrational lunatics. The only reason so many women act like that is because we let them get away with it and we reward it. A truly strong and independent woman does not act like your gf does.

[Woggle]

Because, as a woman, you are also talking about me and many of the wonderful women I know. Please confine your bashing to the SPECIFIC women who are exhibiting these behaviors, if you MUST continually bash them over and over and over. We get it already.

 

Please by assured that I am not talking about you or other good women. I just call out the crap I see from certain ones.

[mr.dream merchant]

I don't even kow why you are with a woman like that. I do believe that women are just as intelligent, strong, capable and rational as men so that is why I have little tolerance for women who act like irrational lunatics. The only reason so many women act like that is because we let them get away with it and we reward it. A truly strong and independent woman does not act like your gf does.

 

You're right, and all that bull**** is dying down because I'm not standing for it anymore.

[donnamaybe]

Yeah or you just let them know you don't play that ****. She doesn't touch **** in my car anymore. She asks.

 

From your story, she sounds spoiled and like she puts her comfort first always and doesn't care about yours. I'm sure there must be many redeeming qualities, though, or you wouldn't be with her.

[Woggle]

So true, Woggle, and I also ABHOR those women who put on the "poor helpless female" routine. Some guys need that, I suppose, to validate their manliness.

 

Men like to feel like the rescuer at times and there is nothing wrong with it in small doses such as letting him open up a jar or hold open a car door but when they act like dependent children it is a huge turnoff.

[The Collector]

Do you see the difference? Woggle's bitter, seething hatred postively SCREAMS from his opening post. JS's, on the other hand, seems to be begging for understanding and wishing to not feel how she does. She is sad and wishing for something else. Her post does not begin, "Men are all vile, evil creatures who only sneak around and screw other women!" THAT would more accurately mirror Woggle's posting style.

 

Woggle says women say terrible things about men behind their back. Some generalizing, but no bitter seething hatred, and he doesn't say women are vile evil creatures either - that's your inference. And Jersey Shortie plays the victim more (debatably), but lets look at her second post in her thread (titled 'I don't trust men') and it's generalizations and negative, bitter stereotypes about all men.

 

 

This doesn't have to do with insecurity. No matter how hot a chick is a guy is still always seeking out other women. It is never enough or good enough for men. You could be very sexual in bed and do things from roleplaying to whip cream and cater to them but at the end of the day he is still seeking out other women. So tell me what the point is in trying so hard because I don't see it.

 

Ya know I wonder why men even get in relationships with women they *claim* they care about. You guys are more concerned about your freedom to look at other women and jack off to porn. You should just have these things and not try to forge real relationships with women since it is obvious where guys priorities are.

 

Woggle says women cannot be trusted. Jersey Shortie says men can't be trusted. Neither use blatant hate-speech. Both say things that are likely to offend or annoy those of the opposite sex that do not fulfill their negative generalizations. My aim is not to attack JS, but like I said, show that she gets more of a free pass on this site than Woggle does.

[Porn_Guy]

little girls are brought up in a fantasy world by both their mothers and fathers. they play "house" with ken and barbie in their toy house and little corvette convertible. they are told their knight in shining armor will come later on and he'll be tall, rich and handsome and drive a black mercedes s-class with tan interior and he'll sweeep her off her feet and they'll get married and have 2.7 kids and he'll pay all the bills and treat her like the queen of monaco. they are told they'll have the perfect life of a romance novel...

 

little boys just get dirty and blow up frogs with fire-crackers.

[Jersey Shortie]

All porn is not degrading.

 

And not all modern media is degrading to men. That doesn't mean that the parts that are don't affect the other sex. You can't pick and choose for the other gender what you want them to accept or not. ALOT of porn is degrading. It sets up stereotypes about what women should look like and be doing to be sexy. It often refers to women as bitches and sluts and much worse. And it puts them in vunerable positions and each girls is rather disposable for the next new girl. As a woman, it's tough to see. And alot of women do think it's degrading. If you want to address the ways men are demeaned or strongarmed, great. But be fair for women in return and acknowledge their wants and needs too.

 

I have always said that I have no issue with a woman going to a male revue club or watching porn.

 

That doesn't mean porn isn't degrading to women. Actually, you feel this way, as many men do, because it's more in tune with your male sexuality. Not her female sexuality.

 

I would much rather she do that than start hanging with a bunch of manhating friends who want to destroy our marriage and there are women like that.

 

I would much rather a man go out with his friends to shoot pool then go to a strip club that I feel is demeaning to our relationship. And seriously, saying that there are friends that want to distory your marriage is like me saying al lthe strippers out there want to distroy marriages.

 

The funny thing is that if I took issue with her having friends like that I would be a controlling jerk but if I want to simply look at a playboy or go to a strip club with the guys she has every right to try and control my actions.

 

It's not about controlling you. Or you controlling her. I think the real issue is the lack of respect BOTH sides feel for their feelings. If something doesn't upset you, that doesn't mean it shouldn't upset the other person or vice versa. If something does upset you, doesn't mean its' going to upset the other person. But the key is respecting how the other person feels. Isn't that what you want? don't you want to give it too?

 

 

Aint that some ****? Judge em by their actions not their words. Go to the strip club with the guys, or look at the playboy. Even when she tries to command you not to. She'll still be there when you get back or put the playboy down. Its hilarious how some women enter your life and try to control everything. That **** makes me want to rebel even more just to show them that they aren't runnin **** but their mouth and my patience.

 

 

If that's how you act you are basically treating her the same way as the girl treated you in the car. With a lack of respect for the way you feel. It's really no different. You wanted respect and compromise for feeling too hot, all she cared about was herself. If a guy goes to a strip club or looks at the playboy knowing his SO is hurt by it, but not caring, it's no different then how your girl treated you.

[Jersey Shortie]

little girls are brought up in a fantasy world by both their mothers and fathers. they play "house" with ken and barbie in their toy house and little corvette convertible. they are told their knight in shining armor will come later on and he'll be tall, rich and handsome and drive a black mercedes s-class with tan interior and he'll sweeep her off her feet and they'll get married and have 2.7 kids and he'll pay all the bills and treat her like the queen of monaco. they are told they'll have the perfect life of a romance novel...

 

little boys just get dirty and blow up frogs with fire-crackers.

 

Until little boys hit purberty, then they all think they deserve twin 18 year olds with implants. I'm sure you will say something funny about this or how that's okay.

[clv0116]

You're right, and all that bull**** is dying down because I'm not standing for it anymore.

 

Just turn on the seat heater on her side.

[MeaganRaye]

Until little boys hit purberty, then they all think they deserve twin 18 year olds with implants. I'm sure you will say something funny about this or how that's okay.

 

It's always the least attractive and most sexist men who feel they are entitled to women like this

[Porn_Guy]

Until little boys hit purberty, then they all think they deserve twin 18 year olds with implants. I'm sure you will say something funny about this or how that's okay.

no comment...

[Jersey Shortie]

Well, that just proves that you don't want to really work with women or hear them out.

[Stockalone]

I don't put out a list of what makes a "real man." I simply state what a "real man" ISN'T, and that is NOT someone who would go about making inflammatory statements about how all women are, because we are NOT all the same. I would have hoped that would be easily understood.

 

I just think it's a two-edged sword, it can easily be misunderstood.

 

By simply stating what a "real man" ISN'T, you are through a process of elimination telling every men what a "real man" has to be like.

 

What Woggle said to you was uncalled for and very rude. Obviously, not all women are the same, and not even Woggle can truly believe this.

 

 

Okay, and VERY fair enough.

 

So post for those men signs to watch for that might help them head off disaster.

 

I agree with you on that.

 

 

But please don't make all the men on LS feel there ARE no good ones. Capice?

 

Come on now, it's not like Woggle is let loose on vulnerable, impressionable minds that can't possibly think for themselves.

 

What Woggle says is not completely false. There are women like that out there. And most men are already aware of this sad fact. However, I don't believe that problem is nearly as widespread as Woggle claims.

 

 

JS's, on the other hand, seems to be begging for understanding and wishing to not feel how she does. She is sad and wishing for something else.

 

Dude, that's because I don't say nearly the kind of things about men that Woggle says about women. I have issues with men and come here to discuss them but you are over exploiting me to suit your own agenda. I don't think most people here think I hate men.

 

It's not fair to compare JS to Woggle.

 

But JS, you have very little faith in men.

 

You believe that men secretly (or openly) want to deamean their SO, so they watch porn. You believe that men expect their SO to match an unreasonable standard of physical beauty (porn/fashion/Hollywood).

 

And you want men to restore that faith for you. Or at least, that is essentially how I understood your problem.

 

I understand that merely saying that most men aren't like this isn't going to convince you, talk is cheap. But what would you need to happen so your faith in men can be restored?

 

You started the "say something nice about women" thread and then were not too happy with the replies. What kind of replies were you looking for?

 

 

Did I ever say there are NO good ones? I make it a point to say that all women are not like this but there is a larger trend that cannot be ignored by men. If more men thought like me you would have less men that are blindsided when their wives and girlfriends turn on them.

 

Woggle, you have made your point and you have made the same point plenty of times now. And frankly, not always in a way that is respectful.

 

But the real question is, what do you want to happen?

 

Option A:

 

Do you want men to agree with you, that they now view their gf or wife as a potential threat and no longer as the woman they love?

 

Do you want to prepare men for the inevitable, so that they are able to strike back when it happens?

 

Which would be dealing with the symptoms, not dealing with the root cause.

 

And who wants to live like that? I am not even sure people can live like that. Trusting someone makes you vulnerable, but without trust, there is nothing.

 

Sure, it would be fantastic if we could prevent being cheated on or being left for no apparent reason. But there is no certainty, we can never tell beforehand, there will always be a risk.

 

 

Option B:

 

Do you want people to share your concern about those women, so they can try to avoid them and minimize the risks?

 

If that is what you want, you need to rethink your approach.

 

 

Or is there another motivation behind your threats. I am just curious. If we know what it is, we might be able to make those threads more useful.

[mr.dream merchant]

To be honest it would not bother me if my GF thoroughly enjoyed a male strip club. As long as she keeps it on the same level as I would, look but no touching. If she watched porn, it would not bother me at all. What's bad about going to a strip club? You're just looking at ass and tits with your friends. You do the same when you're out with them at the mall or the bar. Either way when you're not around your BF will be checking out women. I don't know why some women get butt hurt over that. I wouldn't give two ****s if my GF went to a strip club with all her female friends.

[soserious1]

To be honest it would not bother me if my GF thoroughly enjoyed a male strip club. As long as she keeps it on the same level as I would, look but no touching. If she watched porn, it would not bother me at all. What's bad about going to a strip club? You're just looking at ass and tits with your friends. You do the same when you're out with them at the mall or the bar. Either way when you're not around your BF will be checking out women. I don't know why some women get butt hurt over that. I wouldn't give two ****s if my GF went to a strip club with all her female friends.

 

I've got no problem with porn or with strip clubs, I would prefer it though if a man is horny after partaking of either that he get his needs met at the same places that got him hungry,rather than coming home and using me as a human kleenex. You can read the menu anyplace you'd like but be sure to order your meal there as well.